Well put A.R.
Thank You.
Thank You.
The Boeing Company Supports Washington Wilderness Coalition
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I gre up in a Boeing family. My grandfather was with the Nixon group that went to China. He was the lead mechanic that helped finalize the parts sales that went witht he first aircraft. He was also with the group that went back a year after delivery and found one of the planes in peices with the Chinese trying to replicate all of the parts as to build their own plane. He said the funniest part was listening to the converstions about how they couldn't get the weight of the copied planes even close to the Boeing built planes.
My only thing is that everyone needs to get a little and concede maybe just as much to make a deal. The main problem now is that Boeing is looking at the global economy and sees as many question marks as the rest of us. How would you bet your money right now? I am sure they come up with the same answer as you.
I appreciate your insight.
Take care,
Jstrows
My only thing is that everyone needs to get a little and concede maybe just as much to make a deal. The main problem now is that Boeing is looking at the global economy and sees as many question marks as the rest of us. How would you bet your money right now? I am sure they come up with the same answer as you.
I appreciate your insight.
Take care,
Jstrows
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Adrenaline Revolution
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One thing that I'll try to convey very delicately because I value my job there.
Keep in mind that a GREAT deal of very important decisions are made by people there who have very little experience running an assembly line or division for that matter.
Many folks in high places are there because they fooled enough other people into believing they were the right person for the job. They only care about short term profit, not what's best for the company's future.
Milloions of dollars are wasted all the time on failed attempts at making the whole process done as cheap as possible.
I see this first hand.
I wish I could give explicit examples but I did sign that peice of paper!
Keep in mind that a GREAT deal of very important decisions are made by people there who have very little experience running an assembly line or division for that matter.
Many folks in high places are there because they fooled enough other people into believing they were the right person for the job. They only care about short term profit, not what's best for the company's future.
Milloions of dollars are wasted all the time on failed attempts at making the whole process done as cheap as possible.
I see this first hand.
I wish I could give explicit examples but I did sign that peice of paper!
Cheaper isn't better, just ask WY (ticker symbol).............
I did just check Boesings last sec report out of curiosity. They only had 4 Billion in cash at the end if Sept., not 13 Billion. Considering their cas requirements that isn't that much and would not be considered excessive ala Microsofts 20 billion they once held in reserves.
From the President of the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF RURAL LAND OWNERS (NARLO).
Mrs. Neelima Shaw
Community Investor, Environment & Civic
The Boeing Company
cc: Boeing Investor Relations and Shareholder Services.
Dear Neelima:
Like so many large corporations, you have taken the path of least resistance and "joined" the "green" movement, probably out of fear of reprisal from the ever-more-powerful and politically influential environmental movement. From your endorsements of environmental organizations (WWC, etc.) you have demonstrated that you believe the protecting the environment has priority over constitutionally protected property rights. As the President of the National Association of Rural Landowners, we find it unconscionable that a large corporation such as Boeing, that was built on the constitutional principles of freedom, liberty, free markets and capitalism, would so willingly abdicate the property rights of other Americans, in the interest of being politically correct, or out of fear of environmental blackmail and coercion.
In a recent article, we gave a strong and powerful message to environmentalists and those who support radical environmentalism, for whatever reason. We have included that message below our signature block. We ask that you re-think your position on protecting the environment at any cost, including the cost to rural landowners who are faced with bearing the entire burden of environmental protection, in direct violation of the 5th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution and while their city brethren get off scot-free. Hardly equal protection under the law, is it? Or, as an alternative, start supporting and give equal time to those organizations that are defending the very freedom under which you are allowed to operate.
Your ill-advised actions, endorsements and grants for environmental groups are in effect, undermining and destroying American freedom, a freedom that has allowed Boeing to grow and prosper from a little barn located in Seattle, WA, many years ago, to the formidable giant it is today. How Boeing could support organizations that have worked for the destruction of the American economy through restrictions on oil and mineral extraction, limits or outright bans on all forms of power generation and the construction of new refineries, is beyond comprehension. You are supporting and endorsing the enemy that has a gun to your head. That could be construed as intentional suicide. Further, radical environmental laws could have the disastrous effects of making airplane travel out of reach for most Americans, because the cost of the fuel that operates your airplanes is driven way too high by the environmentalists and the environmental policy for which they lobby and get from an out-of-touch, arrogant U. S. Congress.
In retrospect, one would think that it would be much more prudent to support those organizations that were preserving, protecting and defending freedom, rather than those organizations who were trying to undermine it, or worse, take it away entirely.
Protecting the environment is laudable but trashing the constitution to do it, is just plain wrong. Hopefully, in the interest of American freedom, you would agree.
Respectfully,
Ron Ewart, President
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF RURAL LANDOWNERS
P. O. Box 1031, Issaquah, WA 98027
Website: www.narlo.org
Mrs. Neelima Shaw
Community Investor, Environment & Civic
The Boeing Company
cc: Boeing Investor Relations and Shareholder Services.
Dear Neelima:
Like so many large corporations, you have taken the path of least resistance and "joined" the "green" movement, probably out of fear of reprisal from the ever-more-powerful and politically influential environmental movement. From your endorsements of environmental organizations (WWC, etc.) you have demonstrated that you believe the protecting the environment has priority over constitutionally protected property rights. As the President of the National Association of Rural Landowners, we find it unconscionable that a large corporation such as Boeing, that was built on the constitutional principles of freedom, liberty, free markets and capitalism, would so willingly abdicate the property rights of other Americans, in the interest of being politically correct, or out of fear of environmental blackmail and coercion.
In a recent article, we gave a strong and powerful message to environmentalists and those who support radical environmentalism, for whatever reason. We have included that message below our signature block. We ask that you re-think your position on protecting the environment at any cost, including the cost to rural landowners who are faced with bearing the entire burden of environmental protection, in direct violation of the 5th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution and while their city brethren get off scot-free. Hardly equal protection under the law, is it? Or, as an alternative, start supporting and give equal time to those organizations that are defending the very freedom under which you are allowed to operate.
Your ill-advised actions, endorsements and grants for environmental groups are in effect, undermining and destroying American freedom, a freedom that has allowed Boeing to grow and prosper from a little barn located in Seattle, WA, many years ago, to the formidable giant it is today. How Boeing could support organizations that have worked for the destruction of the American economy through restrictions on oil and mineral extraction, limits or outright bans on all forms of power generation and the construction of new refineries, is beyond comprehension. You are supporting and endorsing the enemy that has a gun to your head. That could be construed as intentional suicide. Further, radical environmental laws could have the disastrous effects of making airplane travel out of reach for most Americans, because the cost of the fuel that operates your airplanes is driven way too high by the environmentalists and the environmental policy for which they lobby and get from an out-of-touch, arrogant U. S. Congress.
In retrospect, one would think that it would be much more prudent to support those organizations that were preserving, protecting and defending freedom, rather than those organizations who were trying to undermine it, or worse, take it away entirely.
Protecting the environment is laudable but trashing the constitution to do it, is just plain wrong. Hopefully, in the interest of American freedom, you would agree.
Respectfully,
Ron Ewart, President
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF RURAL LANDOWNERS
P. O. Box 1031, Issaquah, WA 98027
Website: www.narlo.org
A MESSAGE TO ALL ENVIRONMENTALISTS
By Ron Ewart, President
National Association of Rural Landowners
© Copyright March 2007 - All Rights Reserved
Extreme environmentalism, which it has now become, is a fraud perpetrated on a naïve public that doesn't know any better. Global warming, the Kyoto Treaty and other environmental laws and treaties are bunk and most of you know it. Your philosophy, propaganda and radical agenda is "protect the environment at all costs", the U. S. Constitution and the rights of free American citizens and property owners be damned. Contrary to your belief, humans are not a stain on the Earth. We are in fact part of the evolutionary and natural process of Earth and those processes, not environmentalists or govern-ments, will determine the final outcome. We will but only tickle the grander elements such as the Sun, the moon and the Earth itself, none of which is predictable, much less measurable. A few spewing volcanoes or an episode of Sunspots can totally invalidate any measurements taken. The variables are just too great to model.
Environmentalists have brain washed an entire civilization into believing that environmental protection has a higher priority than constitutional rights, protections and safeguards and perpetrated on free citizens by a rogue and oppressive government at your urgings. You took over Oregon, Washington and California and you have taken over many local and State governments, as well as the U. S. Congress, all the while beating the drums of the "environment" into the heads of naive citizens who live in cities and have no stake in unconstitutional takings. You have disenfranchised rural landowners and made them victims of your crimes. You decimated an entire culture of loggers, mill operators and wood product employees in the Pacific Northwest and forced them into bankruptcy and divorce and scattered them to the four winds because of your distorted desire to "save" one stupid owl that was going extinct for natural causes that had nothing to do with logging or loss of habitat. The real fact is that 99.9% of all species that ever lived on Earth are now extinct and the Endangered Species Act is bad legislation for that very reason and should be repealed. You use junk science to win your battles and extort monies from naive citizens to fund your radical agendas in court.
You "people" have the mistaken, naive and dangerous mindset that privately-held, rural land is your land to do with as you will. It isn't. It belongs to the millions of individuals that own it in fee-simple title and paid for or inherited it and the inviolate right to own that land by those individuals is protected by the 5th and 14th Amendments to the U. S. Constitution. You don't own it and neither does any State or the Federal Government.
People live in rural areas to raise their families and get away from the cities you infect and all of the noise, crime, pollution, traffic and congestion that high-dense urban areas produce. Not everyone wants to live like the Sierra Club envisions; 25-story buildings with 800 sq. ft. apartments, in a concrete jungle, where the poor saps drive their bicycles to work.
Unfortunately, the U. S. Supreme Court has not, once and for all, answered the question of TAKINGS by government under the 5th and 14th Amendments. Each case brought before the court has been tried separately and the beleaguered landowner has to sue the government every time there is a TAKING. The Courts' rulings have been too narrow.
Nevertheless, when compared to the 5th Amendment, Government exercises TAKINGS under the so-called police powers of Government every day. The 5th and 14th Amendments are abundantly clear and I will repeat an excerpt here for your review.
"No person …………… shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without DUE PROCESS of law; nor shall private property be taken for PUBLIC USE without COMPENSATION." Environmental Protection is, without a doubt and unequivocally, for public use.
The issue is not whether Government can exercise the right of POLICE POWERS that have been upheld by the courts. The issue is, does that exercise end up being a TAKING under the 5th and 14th Amendments. Restricting certain building types to certain zones falls under the police powers. Intentionally polluting a waterway or aquifer should be dealt with accordingly as a crime.
However, TAKING away the right of use of 65% of someone's property as King County, Washington has now done, is clearly a TAKING and if demanded by the Government to protect the environment (clearly a public benefit) then the Government and the public at large should pay compensation to the landowner under the Constitution. If they can't afford to pay, then they shouldn't pass the law.
My other issues with environmentalists have to do with their getting in the way of a free society to provide the resources necessary to keep that society going economically. Environmentalists have stopped oil refineries and nuclear power plants from being built for over 25 years. That's why a gallon of gas is now over $2.00 and will not likely come down and that's why our power capacity is at or near maximum. Environmentalists, in concert with radical international environmentalists, are trying to lock up private lands in the U. S. for biospheres and wildlife corridors without compensating the owners of the private lands they want to take. Environmentalists have stopped drilling for oil in areas of known oil reserves, thus making us more dependent on foreign sources and driving up the cost of oil and oil-associated products, accordingly. The unnecessary cost for overt and radical environmental protection has been in the Trillions of dollars since it became in vogue and it has severely weakened our economic engine, reduced our power capacity and eroded our constitutional form of government almost beyond repair.
Government, at your behest, has finally gone too far and an uprising is brewing. Better tell all of your "friends" because the uprising is going to be directed right at "you" and the Government you manipulate. You are going to start losing all kinds of battles and the rural landowner is going to become your worst nightmare. Your free rein is finally over. You have way too much power but you have stepped on the wrong toes. You are truly the enemy of a free society and in our opinion your actions are just shy of treason.
By Ron Ewart, President
National Association of Rural Landowners
© Copyright March 2007 - All Rights Reserved
Extreme environmentalism, which it has now become, is a fraud perpetrated on a naïve public that doesn't know any better. Global warming, the Kyoto Treaty and other environmental laws and treaties are bunk and most of you know it. Your philosophy, propaganda and radical agenda is "protect the environment at all costs", the U. S. Constitution and the rights of free American citizens and property owners be damned. Contrary to your belief, humans are not a stain on the Earth. We are in fact part of the evolutionary and natural process of Earth and those processes, not environmentalists or govern-ments, will determine the final outcome. We will but only tickle the grander elements such as the Sun, the moon and the Earth itself, none of which is predictable, much less measurable. A few spewing volcanoes or an episode of Sunspots can totally invalidate any measurements taken. The variables are just too great to model.
Environmentalists have brain washed an entire civilization into believing that environmental protection has a higher priority than constitutional rights, protections and safeguards and perpetrated on free citizens by a rogue and oppressive government at your urgings. You took over Oregon, Washington and California and you have taken over many local and State governments, as well as the U. S. Congress, all the while beating the drums of the "environment" into the heads of naive citizens who live in cities and have no stake in unconstitutional takings. You have disenfranchised rural landowners and made them victims of your crimes. You decimated an entire culture of loggers, mill operators and wood product employees in the Pacific Northwest and forced them into bankruptcy and divorce and scattered them to the four winds because of your distorted desire to "save" one stupid owl that was going extinct for natural causes that had nothing to do with logging or loss of habitat. The real fact is that 99.9% of all species that ever lived on Earth are now extinct and the Endangered Species Act is bad legislation for that very reason and should be repealed. You use junk science to win your battles and extort monies from naive citizens to fund your radical agendas in court.
You "people" have the mistaken, naive and dangerous mindset that privately-held, rural land is your land to do with as you will. It isn't. It belongs to the millions of individuals that own it in fee-simple title and paid for or inherited it and the inviolate right to own that land by those individuals is protected by the 5th and 14th Amendments to the U. S. Constitution. You don't own it and neither does any State or the Federal Government.
People live in rural areas to raise their families and get away from the cities you infect and all of the noise, crime, pollution, traffic and congestion that high-dense urban areas produce. Not everyone wants to live like the Sierra Club envisions; 25-story buildings with 800 sq. ft. apartments, in a concrete jungle, where the poor saps drive their bicycles to work.
Unfortunately, the U. S. Supreme Court has not, once and for all, answered the question of TAKINGS by government under the 5th and 14th Amendments. Each case brought before the court has been tried separately and the beleaguered landowner has to sue the government every time there is a TAKING. The Courts' rulings have been too narrow.
Nevertheless, when compared to the 5th Amendment, Government exercises TAKINGS under the so-called police powers of Government every day. The 5th and 14th Amendments are abundantly clear and I will repeat an excerpt here for your review.
"No person …………… shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without DUE PROCESS of law; nor shall private property be taken for PUBLIC USE without COMPENSATION." Environmental Protection is, without a doubt and unequivocally, for public use.
The issue is not whether Government can exercise the right of POLICE POWERS that have been upheld by the courts. The issue is, does that exercise end up being a TAKING under the 5th and 14th Amendments. Restricting certain building types to certain zones falls under the police powers. Intentionally polluting a waterway or aquifer should be dealt with accordingly as a crime.
However, TAKING away the right of use of 65% of someone's property as King County, Washington has now done, is clearly a TAKING and if demanded by the Government to protect the environment (clearly a public benefit) then the Government and the public at large should pay compensation to the landowner under the Constitution. If they can't afford to pay, then they shouldn't pass the law.
My other issues with environmentalists have to do with their getting in the way of a free society to provide the resources necessary to keep that society going economically. Environmentalists have stopped oil refineries and nuclear power plants from being built for over 25 years. That's why a gallon of gas is now over $2.00 and will not likely come down and that's why our power capacity is at or near maximum. Environmentalists, in concert with radical international environmentalists, are trying to lock up private lands in the U. S. for biospheres and wildlife corridors without compensating the owners of the private lands they want to take. Environmentalists have stopped drilling for oil in areas of known oil reserves, thus making us more dependent on foreign sources and driving up the cost of oil and oil-associated products, accordingly. The unnecessary cost for overt and radical environmental protection has been in the Trillions of dollars since it became in vogue and it has severely weakened our economic engine, reduced our power capacity and eroded our constitutional form of government almost beyond repair.
Government, at your behest, has finally gone too far and an uprising is brewing. Better tell all of your "friends" because the uprising is going to be directed right at "you" and the Government you manipulate. You are going to start losing all kinds of battles and the rural landowner is going to become your worst nightmare. Your free rein is finally over. You have way too much power but you have stepped on the wrong toes. You are truly the enemy of a free society and in our opinion your actions are just shy of treason.
One reason Companys out source is so they don't have to deal with unions anymore!
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Soccerd6
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wow - that is a GREAT way to look our influence on Mother Earth.....
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