The Boeing Company Supports Washington Wilderness Coalition

[Soccerd6]

since many of our SW'ers are also B employees, I thought I'd post this. I wrote my letter to Ms. Shah (off of company time, of course.........)

http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/..._Supports_Washington_Wilderness_Coalition.htm

 

[ericbigbore]

since many of our SW'ers are also B employees, I thought I'd post this. I wrote my letter to Ms. Shah (off of company time, of course.........)

http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/..._Supports_Washington_Wilderness_Coalition.htm

Maybe they should focus their efforts in China where they will be building ther jets soon enough due to constant strikes. See ya guy's were gonna miss you no doubt.

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

Maybe they should focus their efforts in China where they will be building ther jets soon enough due to constant strikes. See ya guy's were gonna miss you no doubt.

WOW...All I can say!

I'm usually a pretty nice guy, don't like to get into heated debates but I gotta tell you something Eric.

Unless I totally missed the sarcasm that was one of the most ignorant things said on this 4M today.
We're on strike to KEEP then from shipping all our jobs to china.
I'm not going to go onto details and try to convince you that our fight is for the future generations of Boeing employees. It would prolly be easier to nail Jell-o to a tree.

Some folks only believe what they hear on the news, That this is all about money. I'm sorry those folks are accepting their ignorance.
In a smaller Part it is partially about money but the MUCH bigger issue is outsourcing.

I haven't had a raise in over 4 years while the cost of living has skyrocketed.
Adjusted for inflation, I make $4.80 an hour LESS than I did 4 years ago.

There are 27,000 of us today.
6 years ago there were over 68,000 of us.

Those jobs went to China, Japan, India, Mexico, Korea ETC...
That was before "These constant strikes"
Jesus. Get a fricken clue.

Sorry peeps. I should have just ignored his statement and not ranted.

 

[WA-Sledder]

WOW...All I can say!

I'm usually a pretty nice guy, don't like to get into heated debates but I gotta tell you something Eric.

Unless I totally missed the sarcasm that was one of the most ignorant things said on this 4M today.
We're on strike to KEEP then from shipping all our jobs to china.
I'm not going to go onto details and try to convince you that our fight is for the future generations of Boeing employees. It would prolly be easier to nail Jell-o to a tree.

Some folks only believe what they hear on the news, That this is all about money. I'm sorry those folks are accepting their ignorance.
In a smaller Part it is partially about money but the MUCH bigger issue is outsourcing.

I haven't had a raise in over 4 years while the cost of living has skyrocketed.
Adjusted for inflation, I make $4.80 an hour LESS than I did 4 years ago.

There are 27,000 of us today.
6 years ago there were over 68,000 of us.

Those jobs went to China, Japan, India, Mexico, Korea ETC...
That was before "These constant strikes"
Jesus. Get a fricken clue.

Sorry peeps. I should have just ignored his statement and not ranted.

X2 People really should know the facts before they jump to conclusions. I am sending my letter tonight Karen. Thanks for the reminder. I believe Saws sent this out last week.

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

since many of our SW'ers are also B employees, I thought I'd post this. I wrote my letter to Ms. Shah (off of company time, of course.........)

http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/..._Supports_Washington_Wilderness_Coalition.htm

Karen
How much trouble do you think we'd find ourselves in if we send a copy of the same letter to Mc Nearney and all the rest of the boys in Chicago?

I doubt they even realize that this is going on in their own company.

Oh, And we're keeping the fires warm for you in the burn barrels for your turn coming up!

 

[Ultralord]

I cant beleive that you guys are surprised this goes along with the mentality of Seattle.
Thats why it is so important that we tread litely be nice watch the exhaust noise and stear way clear of them in the hills. Contribute to our cause and fight them like hell with paper and votes and make sure we are all heard and a good legal fund and a balance of republican and dems so they cant get anything done unless we all agree.

 

[ericbigbore]

Sorry I guess that does read bad. Boeing Management needs to figure it out, you can't keep f'n your employees every time a contract comes up. I think they want to move away from here and as I said YOU WILL BE MISSED!!! Eric

 

[winter brew]

Well, that's the last straw...!!!! I'm going on strike!

 

[CleElum Sledhead]

I hope our fellow Boeing workers on strike will be back at work soon!!!

Yes, I too work for Boeing during the day, but I am in a job that is not represented. We have to live with what they offer.

I did send this information out to our SAWS members earlier this week, along with a "Head up" email to our WA SAWS members several weeks ago, shortly after I had discovered this discusting information.

All I can say, is that as a current Boeing employee, I had to write this editorial somewhat more tame than my regular attack editorials , as I do not need the heat from management at work. I think I still got the point across.

Please do write Boeing, and please do be polite and factual if you do. If you can't be polite and factual, then do us all a favor and don't write them. Our form of recreation does not need any further negative press.

Thanks!

 

[Soccerd6]

Oh, And we're keeping the fires warm for you in the burn barrels for your turn coming up!

sure hope it doesn't come to that......

(at least our timing is better - steve is non-represented - I told him if I'm on strike, he can go to work and I'M GOING RIDING!!!!!! LOL)

I stewed on Dave's alert for a while before writing my letter - and took two days to write it - but I really think it's important for Boeing to realize exactly who they are supporting, all in the name of being green. If you read Boeing's GCC (Global Corporate Citizenship) mission statement for WA state, no where in there does it talk about creating more wilderness - it's all about supporting activities that improve quality of life, and a bunch of motherhood - apple pie stuff. The goal of my letter was two-fold - to educate them about what wilderness REALLY is, and to let them know that by supporting WWC, they are jeapordizing MY quality of life....

 

[JJFlash]

WOW...All I can say!

I'm usually a pretty nice guy, don't like to get into heated debates but I gotta tell you something Eric.

Unless I totally missed the sarcasm that was one of the most ignorant things said on this 4M today.
We're on strike to KEEP then from shipping all our jobs to china.
I'm not going to go onto details and try to convince you that our fight is for the future generations of Boeing employees. It would prolly be easier to nail Jell-o to a tree.

Some folks only believe what they hear on the news, That this is all about money. I'm sorry those folks are accepting their ignorance.
In a smaller Part it is partially about money but the MUCH bigger issue is outsourcing.

I haven't had a raise in over 4 years while the cost of living has skyrocketed.
Adjusted for inflation, I make $4.80 an hour LESS than I did 4 years ago.

There are 27,000 of us today.
6 years ago there were over 68,000 of us.

Those jobs went to China, Japan, India, Mexico, Korea ETC...
That was before "These constant strikes"
Jesus. Get a fricken clue.

Sorry peeps. I should have just ignored his statement and not ranted.

Well said A.R........Our represented Brothers and Sisters need our support. I honestly hope Boeing has enough sense to NOT take these highly skilled job positions to China......Didn't the airline industry just learn a potentially deadly lesson about outsourcing airliner maintenance to places like China??

BTW, I'm a proud Union Shop Steward.

Nobody likes the bouncer until someone spills a beer on THEIR wife.....

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

Well said A.R........Our represented Brothers and Sisters need our support. I honestly hope Boeing has enough sense to NOT take these highly skilled job positions to China......Didn't the airline industry just learn a potentially deadly lesson about outsourcing airliner maintenance to places like China??

BTW, I'm a proud Union Shop Steward.

Nobody likes the bouncer until someone spills a beer on THEIR wife.....

I am also a shop Steward for Final Assy 777.
Talk about a thankless job (Most of the time)!

I love the challenge though.

I'll be writing a letter today. I'll be civil...No, really, I will !

Many of the upper level Mangers in my area of the factory are avid riders too so I'm sure I can get a few of them to do some writing.
I'm a Steward, They are Managers but we are still good riding friends.
Snowmobiling is universal!

 

[Soccerd6]

Many of the upper level Mangers in my area of the factory are avid riders too so I'm sure I can get a few of them to do some writing.

AWESOME!!!

btw - if anyone wants to see my letter to use as reference for theirs, pm me

 

[CleElum Sledhead]

Oh crap, not another Boeing GCC screwup.

This one is from last year, but supporting the idea of Y2Y. That has got to be the biggest cluster.......

I regress.

http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/events/y2y/

I am also willing to share my letter with anyone that would like to see it. I am also tempted to post it.

 

[H20SKE]

Well, that's the last straw...!!!! I'm going on strike!

I am with you---

H20SKE...

Tree Hugger company

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

I am with you---

H20SKE...

Tree Hugger company

Just the misguided woman that we're all writing to.

The rest of us use a lot of our Boeing income to purchase sleds and gear to tear it up!

Karen and Cle Elum, Please send me a copy of your letters.

If you can't PM them let me know please and I'll send you my E-Mail addy.

 

[JStrows]

Not to get into a fight but I have a question.......When I watch the news I hear about the union and it's workers wanting to control the amount of outsourcing Boeing does. Question: Why should a union have a say at all? Shouldn't that be up to the company and it's shareholders?

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

Not to get into a fight but I have a question.......When I watch the news I hear about the union and it's workers wanting to control the amount of outsourcing Boeing does. Question: Why should a union have a say at all? Shouldn't that be up to the company and it's shareholders?

I'm a shareholder.
27,000 of my brothers and sisters are shareholders.
Another 21,000 SPEEA members (I think that's their number) are shareholders.

When we've proven that we can do the job better, for less, (And we have, just look at the 787) I think we as career employees (Decades of experience with the company) SHOULD be able to stand up and be heard to help direct this company towards success and constant improvement.

Boeing always asks, actually demands we get involved in process improvement daily and now we are. They're just not liking the message we have to give them yet.

We are a Union, we are the sole body of employees who build these A/P's and as such we DO have some say in how many jobs we will accept them to outsource.

In an "Off Contract" year, the company and the Union act as partners and we work VERY well together to help Boeing succeed.
There are literally dozens of programs that are "Joint Venture" between the company and the Union for everything from safety awareness, charities to training and college courses offered.
The public never hears that little part about our relationship because it's not newsworthy to most.
We are fighting for our own lives and livelihood and securing the possibility that generations to come will have good paying jobs in the future.

It's a much different atmosphere than some small mom & pop place. This company controls a huge amount of peoples livelihood.
I challenge anybody to stand by when they could do something about it, and let their job go to a different country and become unemployed yourself.
Our country has already let WAY too many good family wage jobs leave and go to countries where they dump raw sewage in the streets.
You can't compete with that.
Pretty soon this country will produce NOTHING that the world needs.
It will all be made in China.
Is that what anybody wants?

Rant over...For now.

You might find this interesting.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/othervoices/story/484625.html

 

[JStrows]

great points.
At my office we have the water cooler conversations about outsourcing. Since you guys can do it cheaper and better than a foreign company, why is outsourcing even and issue?

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

great points.
At my office we have the water cooler conversations about outsourcing. Since you guys can do it cheaper and better than a foreign company, why is outsourcing even and issue?

If the outside vendors could actually build the part right, per the drawing and get it to us on time the cost would be a wash.

They are consistantly MONTHS behind schedule and it takes us a load of time to fix whatever they send us and install it.
That's only a fraction of what the increased waste is right now.
There are too many companies accross MANY countries designing parts for us now.
Yes, they even outsourced a lot of the engineering. (Karen can vouch for that)
We can no longer simply go to our own engineer and get him/her to fix the drawing when they hose it all up, now we get into pissing matches between two countries when the one part each company designed doesn't fit together with the other company's part because neither one will admit they screwed it up and when a fix is in the works it takes weeks to get the drawings to us.

This is the main reason we work so dam much OT.
"Forget about your weekends...you're working"
12 hour days, 7 days a week at least 2 weeks in a row. It used to be 5 weeks in a row but the Union stepped in and fixed that a few years back.


THE MAIN REASON Boeing outsources is an agreement with goverments from other countries that Boeing will buy the parts and engineering from their companies thereby creating jobs for them if they get their airlines to buy Boeing A/P's.

In five years the mechanics and assemblers at Boeing worked our azzes off and built Boeing a 13 BILLION dollar profit, AFTER they pay everything out they have $13.000,000,000.00 in the bank and they deal with the Union as if they're bankrupt.

I could go on and on but it ends up just getting me worked up so I won't!

IT'S ALL ABOUT CORPORATE GREED at it's worst.