i dont know if its jus a rumor but i hear all fuel/gas stations are going to serve ethanol fuel and stop regular??? what mods needed to run ethanol in newer sleds? thoughts????
switching all pumps to ethanol?
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bdubs
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won't happen
there isn't a supply great enough in this country currently to make the switch anytime soon, and most cars cannot run ethanol without changing out some parts...
If it is simalar to automobiles then the ECU will have to be changed or modified(otherwise it will be real lean) as well as fuel injectors (larger)that will increase the amount of fuel being used for combustion. By volume ethanol does not produce as much energy as gasoline...
I put a conversion kit on my truck to run ethanol. It works great but isn't really anymore cost efficient because a tank of ethanol nets fewer miles then a tank of gas. Ethanol does burn cooler and cleaner and is a higher octane, yet it takes more ethanol to produce the same energy as gas..
do some google searches on ethanol and you will find anything and everything you will want to know...
there isn't a supply great enough in this country currently to make the switch anytime soon, and most cars cannot run ethanol without changing out some parts...
If it is simalar to automobiles then the ECU will have to be changed or modified(otherwise it will be real lean) as well as fuel injectors (larger)that will increase the amount of fuel being used for combustion. By volume ethanol does not produce as much energy as gasoline...
I put a conversion kit on my truck to run ethanol. It works great but isn't really anymore cost efficient because a tank of ethanol nets fewer miles then a tank of gas. Ethanol does burn cooler and cleaner and is a higher octane, yet it takes more ethanol to produce the same energy as gas..
do some google searches on ethanol and you will find anything and everything you will want to know...
do you mean run only ethenol or do you mean your state is finally switching to ethenol blended fuel?
IN CO all we can get is 85 87 91 octane all with up to 10% ethenol added
It been like thisfor a while
Due to our elevation octane rating is not as important in our cars and we can get away with running crap (test market)
There is no way they can just stop selling gasoline and pump only ethenol, that simply is not going to happen anytime soon
IN CO all we can get is 85 87 91 octane all with up to 10% ethenol added
It been like thisfor a while
Due to our elevation octane rating is not as important in our cars and we can get away with running crap (test market)
There is no way they can just stop selling gasoline and pump only ethenol, that simply is not going to happen anytime soon
I run 10% in everything, toys included, have for years.
Zero problems.
As stated it is a much much cleaner fuel.
But it will net lower mpg #'s
The industry is very interesting right now as research is aimed towards non-traditional starch sources (corn stalks, corn cobs, different grasses etc)
My thoughts are that every gallon of US based fuel we can burn is one we don't have to get from the towel headed camel jockies.
Zero problems.
As stated it is a much much cleaner fuel.
But it will net lower mpg #'s
The industry is very interesting right now as research is aimed towards non-traditional starch sources (corn stalks, corn cobs, different grasses etc)
My thoughts are that every gallon of US based fuel we can burn is one we don't have to get from the towel headed camel jockies.
that's all we've had in Mn. for a long time. 10% blend that is. I think that is what they mean where you are at. No mods needed to anything to burn 10%. I've run it in all my toys since it came out over 10 years ago here and no problems. Plus you have built in deicer. If you run E85 then you will have to redo your carbs but the octane is 105 and it only costs 2.15 here
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skidoorulz
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Not defending towel headed camel jockeys but. What country is th #1 importer of crude to the U.S.? Canada with about 74K barrels per month followed by Saudi Arabia at a distant second with 43K and Venazuala at 43K and Nigeria in 4th at 38K. Total monthly imports by OPEC countries is about 174K barrels and non OPEC countries is about 227K. I wonder how many towel headed camel jockeys live in Canada? I read a study that stated if every farmable acre in the U.S. was dedicated to growing grain for Ethanol production, it would only provide enough fuel to provide one months need for the U.S. How much sense does it make to burn fossil fuel to grow grain to produce a fuel that creates less energy than it took to grow it? Not to mention what it has done to the price of livestock feed therefore causing the price of meat and bread and milk and on and on to continue to go up. We need to find a better alternative than Ethanol. JMHO
Not defending towel headed camel jockeys but. What country is th #1 importer of crude to the U.S.? Canada with about 74K barrels per month followed by Saudi Arabia at a distant second with 43K and Venazuala at 43K and Nigeria in 4th at 38K. Total monthly imports by OPEC countries is about 174K barrels and non OPEC countries is about 227K. I wonder how many towel headed camel jockeys live in Canada? I read a study that stated if every farmable acre in the U.S. was dedicated to growing grain for Ethanol production, it would only provide enough fuel to provide one months need for the U.S. How much sense does it make to burn fossil fuel to grow grain to produce a fuel that creates less energy than it took to grow it? Not to mention what it has done to the price of livestock feed therefore causing the price of meat and bread and milk and on and on to continue to go up. We need to find a better alternative than Ethanol. JMHO
I know of no such rule changes in Utah. However there are tax benifits to the refiners and blenders that use 10% blend or E-85. The 10 % blend will work in all vehicles BUT you must jet 2 cycles for it, It will run lean comparied to clear gas.
I honestly believe you would need to be right on the edge to warrant changing jets for 10%
Factory jetting is so fat that I can't see ever having a problem.
Yes you are right. The factory jetting chart is for the 10% so it is at least 2 #s rich for clear gas. I guess that I was talking about sleds that have been jetted down to use clear gas?
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yea it could possibly be a blend fuel... but jus might be a rumor... but thanks for the info
yea it could possibly be a blend fuel... but jus might be a rumor... but thanks for the info
To get a sled to run on E85 or straight alcohol isn't that tough. The modifications are easy in comparison to many of the mod sleds people on this forum have. Once somebody makes a kit I think it will be just like adding a boondocker kit or a turbo labor wise.
As for whether ethanol is the answer or not depends on who you talk too. If you don't know much about agriculture then it sounds like a good idea. Talk to some of the agronomists at my school (College of Ag @ U of WI) it doesn't look like such a good idea anymore for reasons that are too complex to reasonably explain, at least for corn based ethinol. Switch grass or sugar cane based ethanol could potenially be a different story once its developed more. Down in South America they produce ethinol effciantly enough to produce enough fuel to produce and process the crop in addition to what they sell.
Is ethanol the 100% end all final answer, IMO no. Is Ethanol a good thing, I say yes. It is the stepping stone we need to get away from fossil fuels and move towards something better. The conversion to a different type(s) of energy sources won't happen over night, this is just the first step. Why, because we had a surplus of corn which farmers were getting paid horribly low prices for. So they took it, found a way to make fuel out of it and now corn producers are getting a decent buck (while livestock producers have to rethink their feed budgets). Now the ball is rolling, where will it go from here...pass the popcorn.
I'd really like to see the big 4 come out with some sleds that run on some kind of alternative fuel. I'd like to think there are prototypes on snow somewhere.
As for whether ethanol is the answer or not depends on who you talk too. If you don't know much about agriculture then it sounds like a good idea. Talk to some of the agronomists at my school (College of Ag @ U of WI) it doesn't look like such a good idea anymore for reasons that are too complex to reasonably explain, at least for corn based ethinol. Switch grass or sugar cane based ethanol could potenially be a different story once its developed more. Down in South America they produce ethinol effciantly enough to produce enough fuel to produce and process the crop in addition to what they sell.
Is ethanol the 100% end all final answer, IMO no. Is Ethanol a good thing, I say yes. It is the stepping stone we need to get away from fossil fuels and move towards something better. The conversion to a different type(s) of energy sources won't happen over night, this is just the first step. Why, because we had a surplus of corn which farmers were getting paid horribly low prices for. So they took it, found a way to make fuel out of it and now corn producers are getting a decent buck (while livestock producers have to rethink their feed budgets). Now the ball is rolling, where will it go from here...pass the popcorn.
I'd really like to see the big 4 come out with some sleds that run on some kind of alternative fuel. I'd like to think there are prototypes on snow somewhere.
aww come on man, you always love a good e85 fight!
Yes I do.
I truly believe in it, although I do understand the the ramifications.
But those debates get old as people (many anyway) aren't interested in seeing things from a different perspective other than their own, which has been tainted by misinformation.
I truly believe in it, although I do understand the the ramifications.
But those debates get old as people (many anyway) aren't interested in seeing things from a different perspective other than their own, which has been tainted by misinformation.
The 10% in Colorado was done in 1987 in an effort to reduce air pollution. The strange part is I read a study that since 1988, cars are better at reducing CO emissions and oxygenated fuels have no real benefit and actually cost more due to the required blending. Not sure of the source, so take it for what it's worth.
Springs guys let me know if I'm wrong, but Colorado Springs quit using 10% back around 99 or so. Not sure if they are using it now.
I think other states also require it, maybe Michigan or Minn.?
The 10% is one reason I'm scared to drop my jets in my 600HO.
Springs guys let me know if I'm wrong, but Colorado Springs quit using 10% back around 99 or so. Not sure if they are using it now.
I think other states also require it, maybe Michigan or Minn.?
The 10% is one reason I'm scared to drop my jets in my 600HO.
(zzzzzzzeeeerrwwwwwwww!!, the sound of a reel casting bait)
I still have my log book from testing ethanol on my work car.
26% worse mileage, 15-19% cheaper than gas. The math does not work......
most of that is true but the reason that bread and milk our feed is up is because desel feul is higher so the truckers have to pass on a fuel sur charge to change that they pass that on to the grocer and they pass that on to the consumer so everyone makes just as much money they all can pass it on but the farmer cant who do we pass our sur charges on to ? ethonal is not the total answer but atleast its a start
That may be correct, however, with more dollars staying in the state & states, we all benefit from that. Simple trickle down for us, more money is just staying in rural america. Also, the american farmer is now becoming a self sustained business.
I could go on and start an argument, however that is in no ones best Interest. I just feel sometimes we all fail to see the big picture.
Just my 2 cents.
P.S. Did I like buying $4 corn for my corn burner, no, not really. Has the economic boom to our area been good, you bet.
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skidoorulz
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I agree, cost of fuel is part of the rising cost of groceries, but when corn goes from 1.60 to 4.00 dollars a bushel and higher that is a big factor. Plus you are producing energy from grains that produce less power and economy than the fuel that was burned to produce it. Just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Jeff C said it well 26% less mpg 15% to 19% less cost. Does not pencil out.
