SPARE QUICKDRIVE BELT HANDLING
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Byeatts,
I believe the 2013 PRO RMK [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana]belt[/FONT] is 36mm.
It is a carbon fiber reinforced belt.
I believe it is a [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana]Poly Chain® GT® Carbon™ belt but I have no confirmation of this from Polaris as of yet. [/FONT]
The graphic is to show proper belt handling methods... This goes for any of the Carbon cogged belts... It was the only graphic that I had available to me... According to Gates, this also goes for wider belts... like superchargers, primary and secondary drive belts... and the skinny belts like on the Gates Carbon drive bicycles.
You bring valuable info. One thing i notice is the 'Do NOt Backbend "is strange, Thats exactly what the 3C tensioner does..... Also is the inside of the poo belt Blue like the standard Gates Carbon belt?
Being employed in the "test world", I find it difficult to believe that an item like this belt....something the mfr has been building (similarly) for decades, always improving materials and assembly processes, putting their product through rigorous test and torture BEFORE it is ever offered to the public or even consider manufacturing a product that cannot EASILY survive simple things like bending/twisting/or similar. I would be curious to know their test methods.....testing is typically THE worst possible scenario + more....then a safety factor of ??? 200-400% ?? This belt must be able to take some abuse! IMO something is goofy with these belt failures.....these belts are proven tough in many applications from what I can tell, so there is either a defect or something causing the failure that we are missing. JMHO-
Yes. The C3 with blue inside cogs is 1 1/2 wide. If my calcs are correct the Poo belt is narrower ? and isnt the standard Gates design, Also if it dosnt have the blue then it may not be the tested/prover carbon belt and some knockoff or Poo,s specifications and cheaper to manufacture,,Just like the cheep aftermarket drive belts that i snap first day on the snow,Compared to the Kevlar BRP belt that Ive never been able to destroy.Clearly due to the length and part number it is Not the Standard Gates.
Paul... You would think so, huh... but I also know Drag race guys that treat their blower belts with kidd gloves.
The info and pic are from Gates, not Polaris.
The pic above of the belt that was stored with the drive belt... I'm not sure I'd run that one???
Good eye Byeatts, The inside of the Polaris belt is black.
The CMX drive, below, uses the Gates Carbon belts... all black... I believe that not all of the Gates Carbon GT's are Blue inside... but hey, I could be wrong. OEM's can often order things in custom specs.
The C3 tensioner is a back-belt tensioner.. not considered ideal by Gates.. they prefer inside tensioners. The C3 is new this year for the Polaris.. their Ski Doo drives worked well from what I've heard , but had a the major difference of NOT having the braking loads borne by the belt.
I the C3 design is well thought out... Crossing my fingers for the long-term in the consumers hands, on the PRO!!
I belive that the Polaris belt is 36mm wide (1.42").. would need to measure though.
Eric, I agree with being careful with how a belt is stored.....there is no doubt the Gates info is correct in what not to do to a belt. Mfr's always emphasise caution and proper handling of their product but they also know that people will not follow directions. Isn't there a "man rule" about never following directions??
I guess my take on this whole belt drive situation is.....with proper belt selection for an application, a guy should be able to take a belt that has been mistreated, stored in a Muffput with lil'smoky juice all over it, installed with no care (frayed edges and pryed on with a screwdriver), and it should still be able to handle the design loads. There HAS to be a huge safety factor in this type of thing. That's why I think these failures are an anomaly....OR the loads the belt sees are too close to the failure point of THIS particular belt....in that case, someone just screwed up.
On a side note.....I just put e-start on a new Pro with belt drive. Now THAT is going to be a chore to change a belt in the field! Battery, solenoid, battery tray etc...all have to come out.
I guess my take on this whole belt drive situation is.....with proper belt selection for an application, a guy should be able to take a belt that has been mistreated, stored in a Muffput with lil'smoky juice all over it, installed with no care (frayed edges and pryed on with a screwdriver), and it should still be able to handle the design loads. There HAS to be a huge safety factor in this type of thing. That's why I think these failures are an anomaly....OR the loads the belt sees are too close to the failure point of THIS particular belt....in that case, someone just screwed up.
On a side note.....I just put e-start on a new Pro with belt drive. Now THAT is going to be a chore to change a belt in the field! Battery, solenoid, battery tray etc...all have to come out.
We have had extremely good success with the Gate Polychain Carbon belts and have over 14,000 km on ones that have been running for 3 years. I agree with the handling instructions and the belts should never be bent backwards more than a 3" diameter. I find they are best in your back pack in a large natural loop.
Paul... You would think so, huh... but I also know Drag race guys that treat their blower belts with kidd gloves.
The info and pic are from Gates, not Polaris.
The pic above of the belt that was stored with the drive belt... I'm not sure I'd run that one???
Good eye Byeatts, The inside of the Polaris belt is black.
The CMX drive, below, uses the Gates Carbon belts... all black... I believe that not all of the Gates Carbon GT's are Blue inside... but hey, I could be wrong. OEM's can often order things in custom specs.
The C3 tensioner is a back-belt tensioner.. not considered ideal by Gates.. they prefer inside tensioners. The C3 is new this year for the Polaris.. their Ski Doo drives worked well from what I've heard , but had a the major difference of NOT having the braking loads borne by the belt.
I the C3 design is well thought out... Crossing my fingers for the long-term in the consumers hands, on the PRO!!
It is true that Gates does not recommend back side tensioners as well as some other methods that I use but in the end sometimes common sense prevails. If these problems persist I will have a kit out in a few weeks to give consumers some options.
Eric, I have heard from several source now that overheating the belt during breakin can cause delam...seems to me this is most likely the cause of most of these early failures, and why both the dealer and polaris is stressing the breakin period...I am told if you ride your pro hard at all during initial break in the belt gets very hot..something a few could watch and report on?
AK, I agree with you on this...
BUT...
This thread was simply put up to point out handling/storage/transport cautions that owners may want to take with spare QucickDrive belts IF THEY HAVE A SPARE QuickDrive belt that they want to carry or store in their trailer/shop.
I'd like to keep this related to storage/handling/transporting the QuickDrive belt if possible.
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This thread was simply put up to point out handling/storage/transport cautions that owners may want to take with spare QucickDrive belts IF THEY HAVE A SPARE QuickDrive belt that they want to carry or store in their trailer/shop.
I'd like to keep this related to storage/handling/transporting the QuickDrive belt if possible.
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Perhaps a secure bracket mounting under the hood, In a back pack it will constantly get squished,bent, pulled out ect
We found that you can store the belt just above and inboard of the oil reservoir, tucked back under the cowl a little. A little electrical tape keeps it in a nice loose oval, and a few zip ties to keep it in place. There's not much room under the hood of these pros, that's for sure!
Does anyone know where you can buy those gates carbon quick drive belts for a 13 pro 800
The Gates Drive belt has an 8mm or 14mm pitch. (pitch is tooth spacing)
Polaris has a custom pitch of 11mm and is not available from the aftermarket... OEM only.
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Polaris has a custom pitch of 11mm and is not available from the aftermarket... OEM only.
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sledneck_03
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Could grab a spare belt bag from the cat guys that are taking off their tunnels.
