So now that the XM has been around most of a season.....

[Jaynelson]

....and it has been well received.......do all you Doo fanatics finally admit that the XP handled like arse in the mountains after so many years of defending that ill handling POS? Or how does that work?

Just was reading a thread from last year where guys were blasting a Skinz front end kit, saying that if it made the XP "too easy" to handle/sidehill ala Pol or Cat....they weren't interested. Easy handling is for nancy boys they said, and real men would rather wrestle their sled to do things it sucked at, eventually get high-sided, and watch their machine cartwheel into the trees. Their words not mine.

However, I haven't ran across anyone on here, or in person who wishes the XM handled more like their old XP.....and the same fanatics seem quite puffy chested that their machine is now an easy to handle limp-wristed thing like the others.

So which is it? Lying to yourselves then or now??

 

[skidoorulz]

Doesn't matter to me. I still ride a REV. By the time I buy an XM there will have been 2 new latest and greatest chassis out there. I am not like one of you limp wristed nancy boys that have to buy their riding ability by owning one of those latest and greatest.

 

[Jaynelson]

Doesn't matter to me. I still ride a REV. By the time I buy an XM there will have been 2 new latest and greatest chassis out there. I am not like one of you limp wristed nancy boys that have to buy their riding ability by owning one of those latest and greatest.

Luckily, your frugality couldn't have played out better; as there was no reason other than BNG's to "upgrade" from a Rev to the first 5 years of XP

 

[scottbilt95]

editorial

i'll bite....

the xp chassis (i still ride a 2011 freeride), in certain situations, takes more effort to ride no doubt but still plenty of people can get though the trees with them. there is always going to be die-hard haters but i think most would agree that less effort, light weight, more hp, etc. are all good things. that being said, would it be any different if:

-polaris came out with a engine that produced similar hp to ski-doo and cat? would all the polaris faithful who swear that, due to the pro's light weight, extra hp is not needed?

-cat dropped 40lbs off the proclimb? would the cat faithful say it's not necessary because their chassis holds less snow than everyone else's?

at the end of the day, some people are going to be brand loyal regardless (see diehard 900 rmk owners) but realists understand that competition breeds progress and that's a good thing. to answer your question, i'm sure there will be haters on both sides (both ski-doo and other brand loyals). for the other brand loyals, it will be interesting to see in the years ahead if any of the other manufacturers incorporate a flexible skid (or some variation of) into their mountain chassis. before you answer, think about pyramid chassis bracing and front a-arm suspensions.

 

[Jaynelson]

i'll bite....

the xp chassis (i still ride a 2011 freeride), in certain situations, takes more effort to ride no doubt but still plenty of people can get though the trees with them. there is always going to be die-hard haters but i think most would agree that less effort, light weight, more hp, etc. are all good things.

Ahhh but that wasn't the argument for many years. The argument was in being more stable, it was actually better! None of them wold ever be caught dead riding some easy-to-flop over girls sled. Now the time of reckoning has come and the tune has changed!

 

[Griff]

i'll bite....

the xp chassis (i still ride a 2011 freeride), in certain situations, takes more effort to ride no doubt but still plenty of people can get though the trees with them. there is always going to be die-hard haters but i think most would agree that less effort, light weight, more hp, etc. are all good things. that being said, would it be any different if:

-polaris came out with a engine that produced similar hp to ski-doo and cat? would all the polaris faithful who swear that, due to the pro's light weight, extra hp is not needed?

-cat dropped 40lbs off the proclimb? would the cat faithful say it's not necessary because their chassis holds less snow than everyone else's?

at the end of the day, some people are going to be brand loyal regardless (see diehard 900 rmk owners) but realists understand that competition breeds progress and that's a good thing. to answer your question, i'm sure there will be haters on both sides (both ski-doo and other brand loyals). for the other brand loyals, it will be interesting to see in the years ahead if any of the other manufacturers incorporate a flexible skid (or some variation of) into their mountain chassis. before you answer, think about pyramid chassis bracing and front a-arm suspensions.

Amen to more competition! I would love to see a higher h.p. Pro and a Cat that can make weight in without a provision for snow and ice build up.

 

[mtsummitx]

I don't know about the XP or XM, but the S chassis sure sucked compared to my ZX'er!!

Heck, I wish I could afford an XP. XM won't happen for me for another 5 to 10 years. I ain't gonna spend 9-13K for something that we only get to use for about 4 months out of the year anymore.

 

[89sandman]

i bought a new 12 holdover this year and rode it once, totally sucked!!! put the tmotion in for the next ride, brand new carving machine. wouldn't have kept the xp without it, one of the worst tanks i've ever ridden without the tmo have to go back to my 99 powder special to find a sled to compare a stock xp to in the handleing department

 

[polaris dude]

....and it has been well received.......do all you Doo fanatics finally admit that the XP handled like arse in the mountains after so many years of defending that ill handling POS? Or how does that work?

Just was reading a thread from last year where guys were blasting a Skinz front end kit, saying that if it made the XP "too easy" to handle/sidehill ala Pol or Cat....they weren't interested. Easy handling is for nancy boys they said, and real men would rather wrestle their sled to do things it sucked at, eventually get high-sided, and watch their machine cartwheel into the trees. Their words not mine.

However, I haven't ran across anyone on here, or in person who wishes the XM handled more like their old XP.....and the same fanatics seem quite puffy chested that their machine is now an easy to handle limp-wristed thing like the others.

So which is it? Lying to yourselves then or now??

Imo, I always maintained the poo engine was junk. It is underpowered and under reliable for its class. I think a lot of the loyalists problem is that they don't know what they are missing. At least I think that is the poo problem. They don't realize just how great 160HP would feel with superior clutching/more power to the ground

 

[skidoorulz]

I have a source at BRP and he just called me and told me about the newest chassis that will be out in 2 years for all those limp wristed nancy boys.. It will make the XM look like a tank. It is the GF chassis. It will be so good that all you will have to do is get it to the snow, start it and let it go. It rides itself. All you will need to do for the rest of the day is go sit in the bar, drink beer and Get Fat.

He also said they are working on one that will be out in about 6 to 8 years. It is the SH chassis. All that the limp wristed nancy boys will have to do then is Stay Home and write checks to have the latest and greatest, the SH will find it's own way to the snow. Manufacturers aren't dummies they know if they make small improvements every year that there are plenty out there that will buy new every year. It is just a way to take your money. Just like cellphones and all this internet crap that we pay hundreds of dollars for every month, that we lived just fine without until someone told us we couldn't live without it. Humans are so gullible.

 

[Xrider]

So what really happened that that you just can't quit bashing the XP? Did you try to ride one and fell off and go boom? FYI, I loved my XP.

 

[tudizzle]

Love my XP! It may take more rider input at times..never made any claims about it being extra stable or other sleds being too tippy.

I have switched to a Tom's Emotion Kit and the sleds still handles great...just takes less rider input and has a smoother transition when rolling into a sidehill.





Of course I spend a bunch of days on the mountain...you know...snowmobiling. So I might not have the same viewpoint of those that don't.

 

[Jaynelson]

I have switched to a Tom's Emotion Kit and the sleds still handles great...just takes less rider input and has a smoother transition when rolling into a sidehill.


Of course I spend a bunch of days on the mountain...you know...snowmobiling. So I might not have the same viewpoint of those that don't.

Hmm sounds odd....I would think xp rider would rather put on some type of de-motion kit to make sure it never flopped up on edge unwantedly....or perhaps ever. To accent it's attributes.

Mountains are dangerous I stay home and put more lift and bigger exhaust pipe on my bro-dozer most weekends

 

[89sandman]

lmfao!!! anti roll and self leveling stabilizers set to full power

 

[Highmarker]

Never had a problem with my XP. I don't ride one anymore, but that has nothing to do with the handleing. I guess some people just need every advantage they can get to be able to ride good.

 

[Jaynelson]

lmfao!!! anti roll and self leveling stabilizers set to full power

Funny you mention that.....My XM outrigger kit is currently in development; including rigorous testing in many fly-over states with very few topographic lines. Should hit stores in time for next winter. This will allow Ski Doo loyalists the freedom to enjoy the new XM, while maintaining that extra effort they wished was still there.

Provided I can come up with a cutsey and trendy sounding marketing name, I expect swift sales in the Doo market. Preferably an acronym, with a hyphen somewhere in it to maximize sales potential.

So far I'm thinking NS-Tech (No sidehilling), or possibly IDCS-X (Increased difficulty counter steering - Xtreme), or simply MN-Spec Conversion Kit 1.0

Any input appreciated in advance,

 

[89sandman]

how about no-motion or no-mo for short

 

[Mafesto]

20 years ago, it was all about creating or modifying a sled that would meet the skill level of the average rider.

Now it's all about enhancing the handling charictaristics to compensate for riders lack of talent.

It boils down to just what each individual rider is willing to spend. Sure I would like an XM & would appreciate the refinements over the XP, but at this point I cannot extract enough fun from the sled to justify the price.

As far as Cat & Pol go, I would honestly ride a 1 or 2 year old XP than either one of those. They are great in function, but have the fit & finish of a high school shop project.

I predict that within 5 years there will be a 4 stroke mountain sled worth looking at.

 

[Ron Burgandy]

I actually enjoy the fact that the XP has such a bad reputation on the mountain...last time I was out in Alpine I was ripping around on this hill with my xp...sidehilling, slaloming, turnbacks, 180's...you name it I was having a blast just rippin it up....headed to the bottom for a breather and the first random guy goes "did you put xp plastics on a pro?!?!" I politely said "nope, these XP's handle great"....then I asked the group if they go on SnoWest at all......of course they all said yes.


nice sig pic by the way jaynelson lol....talledaga nights is only slightly behind Anchorman as one of my favorite comedies.

 

[Jaynelson]

No bs I met a guy who modded and setup his Toyota rav4 v6 for road racing. He did a great job and between the vehicle mods and good driving would post better times than a stock new body mustang gt v8. Then he snapped out of it and just bought a gt500....don't think he's going back anytime soon

2nd on the anchorman!