Thank You for the kudos Jeff, I believe the solution is as simple as stated but I don't believe that I will see the backcountry given back to the public in my lifetime. We have a dysfunctional system where common sense does not prevail, just liberal self serving judges pushing their personal agenda's. It's a very sad state of affairs to say the least. I had another tussle with a cross country this morning, apparently he wants all of our legal riding area granted to him and only him, I made the mistake of stopping to say good morning, since he rode in on a sled I thought the waters might be friendly. He requested that if I would ride over the pass and out of his soundscape that would be grand. I responded that I would if I could, but the dictator overhead in the USFS rental aircraft may confiscate my $12,000 ride.
Snowmobilers: Sell your sled and get out...or read this post:
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snengineer
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Here he is! you know the guy that wants no sleds in his area! OH WAIT IT'S ABOUT ME, DON'T MIND MY SLED! just what it say's I need a sled to get where "I" want to ski !!!!!!!!!! screw everybody else this is "MY LAND" Oh nice helmet, a true American!!!!
PHOTO: Rob Mullins, Leavenworth, heads off with his friend Gus Bekker, Wenatchee, on a backcountry ski and snowshoe trip from where Mullins parked his snowmobile above the Blewett Pass summit earlier this month. Using the snowmobile cuts down the time it takes for Mullins to reach the upper areas he like to ski in.
That photo is the case and point for Winter Wildlands Alliance!
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suitcase
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IMO the skiers need to utalize the areas they have now!! I ride most of the north west at different times of the winter, and I see areas that are used for skiing only and there are never any ski tracks in them. So before they go after more, these groups need a better reason to want more areas closed!! Just because three guys ski in there special area does not justify needing to close an area for skiers only. The common response I hear is when you ask a skier why they don't use an area is, " well thats to far to go" skiers want something that is convenient for them to access. IMO its back to learn to share!!! key word public lands!! Not your specail use lands!!
Old saying "early bird gets the worm" if they want to ski fresh powder they just need to get to the hills before we do!!!!!
Oh yea that means they need to ride there sleds to the hills just like we do!!! lets just share 
Oh yea that means they need to ride there sleds to the hills just like we do!!! lets just share
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kraut
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I agree 100%.Old saying "early bird gets the worm" if they want to ski fresh powder they just need to get to the hills before we do!!!!!
They are hipocrits to want the land to ski...But of course ride sleds into an are.Its too bad its coming to this.
Maybe I'm way off here but in my experience its the hardcore skier that usually gets along with snowmobilers. Those are the ones that will take the time and energy to find the biggest hills and most remote terrain. Also they understand that sleds make their lives safer and easier. Our problem lies in the more moderate weekenders that want the easiest and closest possible access. And unfortunately the FS won't give us just the hardest to attain terrain. And even if they could come up with a plan that made us go past where the skiers were at we would still have guys on short tracks that would want to stay close to the parking lot and tear up the skiers hills. In a lot of ways we are our own worst enemy. 
Maybe I'm way off here but in my experience its the hardcore skier that usually gets along with snowmobilers. Those are the ones that will take the time and energy to find the biggest hills and most remote terrain. Also they understand that sleds make their lives safer and easier. Our problem lies in the more moderate weekenders that want the easiest and closest possible access. And unfortunately the FS won't give us just the hardest to attain terrain. And even if they could come up with a plan that made us go past where the skiers were at we would still have guys on short tracks that would want to stay close to the parking lot and tear up the skiers hills. In a lot of ways we are our own worst enemy.
And how brother.
I've been skiing and snowboarding since the 80s and have only been sledding for the last 5 years. I know exactly where to go to avoid sleds and I know exactly where to go to not piss of skiers. Anyone who can't figure that out is just lazy. And the fact that ALL public land is open to BC skiing and only a tiny fraction of it to sledding just proves the mental laziness of some people. They want the 'backcountry experience' to come to them in their laps. That's not backcountry. The number of wilderness areas with absolutely sick ski terrain that run right up to roads in mind boggling.
You have to take this from the perspective of the USFS at this point. It's going to be a matter of who's the loudest and most organized.
Well - if Arctic Cat / Ski Doo / Polaris / Yamaha / Honda / John Deere - basically every manufacturer that intents on staying in the business of snowmobiling / ATV / off road bikes would invest in the "politics" (lobby efforts/etc) of keeping these areas open it would help. But they are deaf/dumb/blind. Penny wise, dollar fools.
Many local "access" groups are home grown made up of guys working for a living too, and they get tired of begging for money and people to help.
All of us mean well but we need manufacturer sponsored groups with full time paid staff, and organized effort, and the manufacturers only ones who can come up with the bank to fund. Then the effort has to go to DC and it also involves electing the right people (usually NOT democrats unfortunately).
Many local "access" groups are home grown made up of guys working for a living too, and they get tired of begging for money and people to help.
All of us mean well but we need manufacturer sponsored groups with full time paid staff, and organized effort, and the manufacturers only ones who can come up with the bank to fund. Then the effort has to go to DC and it also involves electing the right people (usually NOT democrats unfortunately).
Thanks for the promotion. "Abolutely"
Up here around cooke and TOW I have never seen a set of ski tracks travel into the endless miles of wilderness that we can't touch on sleds. I've heard of a few and I've even offered to skiers that I would pack them anywhere so they could access such wonderful snow areas. But the usage of wilderness around here in the winter is accessed less than .1 percent vs sledders that use the designated area. The skiers should thank us for providing so much tax money for your lobbyist. In a true free market you wouldn't stand a chance.
So could you please explain to me, what is the use of the land if no one is using it. What happened to equal rights.
Tell you what we will take all gov land, FS, W, etc.. and who ever pays the most taxes chooses the half they want. I lobby that.
How are you going to give me a bad name when I offer to give a free ride and when the non motorized users are using are area and hills, we what for them to get done having fun and then tear it up to be nice.
To be honest the only angry ppl I know on the snow are the skiers that think sleds shouldn't be around, but we don't care if your using are play area, wtf
That guy and everyone like him can f*ck off.
Those assf*cks already have HOW MANY MILLIONS OF ACRES that we legally can't access?
God I f*cking hate those idiots.
Use the god damned land you assf*cks have already screwed us out of you idiot scumf*cks.
Those assf*cks already have HOW MANY MILLIONS OF ACRES that we legally can't access?
God I f*cking hate those idiots.
Use the god damned land you assf*cks have already screwed us out of you idiot scumf*cks.
The Coe's are no different than politicians, good luck. we should just put what we know together and build our own, cut out all the bs and support ourselves.
Dogmeat,
I couldn't have said it any better myself!!!!
I couldn't have said it any better myself!!!!
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