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Snow Bike Maintenace

After riding with several current snow bike owners it has come to my attention that maintenance of snow bikes is a very costly ordeal or can be.

At Frozen MOTO we utilize industry leading producers whenever possible. What this means to you the customer is that parts have an unparalleled availability and supply nationally. This gives you the ability to find maintenance or replacement parts almost any where you are riding getting you back out there at a fraction of the cost!

With rising fuel prices simply traveling to winter destinations can be expensive and when you get there if you have a problem you don’t want to be left stranded or not being able to ride with the rest of your buddies. This is where our relationship with product manufacturers comes into play. By using industry leading manufactures we can focus our attention on technology and not trying to produce a product that is already being produced at a high quality and again with ready availability.

For example I was recently informed that to maintenance sprockets and chains on another snow bike system it cost over $400.00 dollars with the gears costing over $80.00 each! With our system you simply buy readily available sprockets from us or any local shop for a retail cost of about $20.00 that’s a huge savings on just the sprockets alone not to mention that you can again buy them from your local shop or the local shop where you are riding and get back out there without having to purchase them directly from Frozen MOTO if your not in the area or cut your trip short. The chain is the same 520 chain used on almost every dirt bike out there again giving you the ability to simply purchase a replacement chain almost anywhere you are and replace it, getting you back out there quickly and efficiently!

Other differences in the manufacturing process are the use of an SKF double bearings that are double sealed and waterproof they are also a bearing that the lips can be opened and maintenained/greased to provide additional hours of safe and functional operation without simply waiting for them to fail and be replaced if they haven’t taken something else out with them in the mean time which can be a costly endeavor in and of itself. These bearing again are readily available at almost any parts house or moto shop giving you the ability to get back out there economically if you should experience a problem without having to bag the whole trip due to a simple mechanical problem so you can enjoy your winter destinations and time dedicated to them.

Galpher Tsunami wave rotors are used in the Frozen MOTO production but these to can be replaced and maintained readily and if the Galpher rotor is not available then any factory replacement rotor for a KTM 450 can be a direct replacement giving you a lot of adequate options to get you back out there again should you experience a problem.

These are but a few of the producers we have established relationships with to utilize their industry leading technologies to reduce costs and provide and unparalleled supply chain nationally to keep you going.

If you should have additional questions about maintenance please shoot me an email or respond here as we are always itnerested in improving the quailty or the experience!
Dan

Really Dale a thumbs down for promoting and explaining my product hmmm must have touched a nerve for a TS employee to give our post a thumbs down, lol thanks for the motivation.
 
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If all the parts are priced cheaper than why is your kit the same price as another "kit" on the market? Not trying to be an *** but to me if all the parts are cheaper initial cost should be cheaper no?
 
While I understand that it would appear that there are less costs there are other factors to consider. One that is a huge consideration is the fact that I use the top of the line Fox Racing Shox in the EVOL X platform. These shocks are twice the cost of a standard coil over shock due to the technology. That also being said that is where a lot of the costs come from in the development of said technology in the way of things that aren't maintenance items. I also out source currently which increases some of my costs as well. I think you are looking at the wrong company if you feel that the price of a snow bike track system is to high. Others have continued to go up in price while Frozen MOTO plans on holding fast at our price point.
I would offer this if there is a product out that is at a lower price point sprockets etc.... then why make a product and charge more for it? Frozen MOTO is not the company to ask those type questions to.
Frozen MOTO as a new company is faced with additional challenges than existing companies but we believe we produce as high or higher quality which in turn costs more. Snow bikes are not a Chinese built product and as such I don't think you would be happy with a Chinese built snow bike let alone trust it just because it is built cheaply and is less money.
Why do snowmobiles continue to climb in price when the technology is out there and has been for years?
Again Frozen MOTO is a new start up company producing a quality product while utilizing industry leading manufacturers where we can.
I am simply answering the questions posed by existing riders. Why would a company produce something and then charge 4 times the amount that an industry leading company can build it for to begin with at a higher quality? Likewise not being rude about it but it had been going on for more three years now.
 
"Snow bikes are not a Chinese built product and as such I don't think you would be happy with a Chinese built snow bike let alone trust it just because it is built cheaply and is less money."


here is your Chinese snow bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3NXnuKnSII

powder machine, bahahahahaha!
 
jeepers

Shanahan,
Worst thing a new small company can do is slam anothe prroven company. Marleting 101. Let your product do its talking, if it is worth anything people will follow and figure it out.

I appreciate you are motivated but the ego and having so much to prove is NOT wanting me to be your customer. If you want to go off about how good you think your product is have at er but to slam another is not working for me.

Business if like life, if you want the envy of others the best way to go about things is live life well. If you want your business to grow and others ot want to be a part of it and buy your stuff silently produce good product. Today's consumer are smart.

just my 02 cents
 
Like I said I didn't want to come across as an ***... I wanted an explanation. When you say how these parts are so much cheaper than the competition how can you expect to not raise the question I asked. Thanks for the explanation, it was sufficient and the bad rep was a little excessive I would say.
 
Yukondood

I think you read into something as I did not slam any company and it was not intended that way. I simply wanted the consumer to know that there were less expensive maintenance options as I have heard that question time and time again in emails and in person. You asked about my costs and I was explaining them. Rest assured it was not intended as a knock to any company. I was referring to the three plus years in the industry and the companies price point if anything.

Tomk

What do you think that bike cost? Hahaha
 
I strongly disagree with the earlier comments about high maintenance costs on the snowbikes. If anything they are much cheaper and reliable compared to snowmobiles. My Timbersled MH kit has been bulletproof and relatively maintenance free. Lubing the chains and checking tension every other ride has been simple and reliable. I specifically appriceate the simplicity of the Timbersled kit (very few moving parts). Also, no issues with my previous 2moto kit.
 
I appriciate the feed back as I am again being informative and responsive to what I hear during demo rides. The other individuals that have commented to me have also been riding snow bikes from the beginning with 2 Moto and expense has been a big concern to them at every ride as again in emails.

Yukondood
You asked about "cost should be less no".

Snowhawkaddict
Your right on competition, that is what sets the market price. Simple supply and demand. That is why any company would enter the market there is a shortage and the product can be made to make a profit removing barrier to entry and creating opportunities as well for product differentiation.

General statement not talking to anyone in particular (making sure no one gets their feelings hurt)
I find it funny that by going out of the way to create an opportunity for other business to service the systems or by making it less expensive to maintenance I get flak for helping the customer. Maybe it needs to be more and more expensive with a down economy lets create barriers to entry for more customers and isolated distribution networks that can monopolize and strangle hold the compete industry from begining ti end is that the idea only the wealthy should be able to convert their bikes then we wouldn't need to worry about the price tag and it can continue to increase year after year.
Dan
 
Snow bike Maintenace is the name of the thread right again speaking to those asking me about that. So personal on here for a place that's meant to be informative..... I find it funny that those who are is agreement with what I am saying are also being disregarded that's where the post come from was the existing snow bike community not a new comer that hasn't experienced it. And the answer is they will pay it no matter how much it is...
 
Other than when I hit a stump (not much you can do about that), my Mountain Horse has only needed some lube and a chain adjustment. Hell, my bike has required far more tweaking than the kit. I'm going to check out the bearings after a few more rides, but everything still looks new and I have a bunch of long rides on it. Super happy with my Mountain Horse!

And please, when you say "I was recently informed that to maintenance sprockets and chains on another snow bike system..." we know who you are talking about. Might as well just come out and say it!

This industry is just getting on it's feet and I'm glad to be an early adopter. It's fun to watch the people that talked the most crap about the snowbike turn a complete 180 after they've rode it for a day. I've learned not to try to defend the snowbike against dead-set snowmobilers (I should know, I was one of them) but to simply say "Just get on one for a day then tell me what you think".

What I'm getting at here is that the industry needs competition. The industry has prospective buyers at every turn. Whoever comes up with the best product, with the best marketing, with the best service will dominate. You want to get tons of buyers lined up for the FrozenMOTO kit? Easy to do... video side by side riding with the MH and the FM, get some chatter going on the net from people who are impressed with how the kit performs, lay the smackdown with cold hard facts about what the FM kit does differently and why it works better. Do all this and you'll be begging for more manufacturing capacity.

So far, I haven't seen it and I've been looking and waiting a lot. All I've seen is talk about how it's better, how it's cheaper, how it's different.... but no proof. The few videos I've seen are laughable at best and don't show any conclusive proof that FM has the edge. Put that kit next to the Horse and show me how it rocks.
 
Setting the record straight

This is a good thread on maintenance as it has been an issue over the last 2 years with the Mountain Horse. This is Dave at Timbersled posting. I am the office guy that sends every single MH order out the door, as well as parts orders. I think the facts will surprise some and make this whole issue pretty much a moot point. So here are the facts.

  1. Timbersled has sold 348 MH kits in 2 years/seasons
  2. In the 2010/2011 season, we sold 148 of those with aluminum sprockets
  3. That makes a total of 296 17T alu and 148 20T alu
  4. We have sold a total of 41 20T, 78 17T, and 43 16T replacement sprockets
  5. The 16T were technically not replacements, they were for guys wanting to change their gearing
  6. To my knowledge, not one single steel sprocket has needed to be replaced

You can see that of the 444 aluminum sprockets out there, only 119 got replaced, most of them with new steel ones. If chains had been maintained properly, most of them would not have been necessary. However to eliminate the issue altogether, we went to a 4140 Heat Treated Chrome Moly steel sprocket at a 30% higher cost to us, yet we still charge the same price as the aluminum ones.

So if Timbersled was in the business to make money on overpriced parts, why would we have gone to a steel sprocket that costs more to produce and will last multiple seasons when we could have stayed with an alu one and made way more money?

The answer is that Timbersled is in business for one reason, to make the best extreme mountain snow machine products in the industry at the best value. We listen to our customers and respond with innovation and changes that improve the experience with our products. We are growing rapidly and striving to maintain great customer service, quality and value while our building, machine, material and personnel costs skyrocket every year.

Thank you all for your feedback, keep it coming, good and bad, and I promise you it will be listened to and considered.

Thanks,
Dave @ Timbersled
www.timbersled.com
 
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Thanks for the info Dave and as such you will notice that you haven't sold one to me. So I again have no personal knowledge of the Maintenace required just feedback from past or current customers of the MH and that is what I have stated as this was a thread as to the cost of my Maintenace and I did not bring up TS posters did I must be dealing with mostly disgruntled customers then if that's the case. Thanks again for the info Dave.
Dan
 
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