Smaller Turbo Kit

[cb2honk]

I agree with ReTodd, some of these kits are priced very high. Everybody is welcome to ask what they want for thier product, an that is their right. I recently chose to go with the RKT 860, because the turbos were to much. I imagine afterr this season their are going to be turbo XP builders all over...then we will see the prices start to drop...or maybe not..only time will tell.

 

[nuttyn01]

I am assuming you did the fabrication yourself...If you were to produce the kit you may have to outsource the fabrication which would undoubtedly drive the cost up a bit. As far as the other components....If there not provided with the kit it would definately lower the price.

Bring on the snow!

dont need a boost gauge, get a 5 dollar pressure gauge from napa or borrow someones and set your wastegate to whatever you want and leave it, same goes for the boost controller, not needed if you just want to set it and leave it. tighten the actuator for more boost, loosen it for less.
Same goes for the fuel pressure gauge dont need it, borrorw a gauge from someone and set it at 3psi and leave it alone.
Dont need powerjets if you know how to blowthrough a carb properly, it is actually jetted lower than stock to achieve a 11.0:1 afr and seems to stay the same at all elevations, according to the gauge anyhow!
wire the fuel pump into the factory harness, only one wire to connect to.
Turbo is moutned with the downpipe/muffler that tunnel dumps so it is quieter than a stock sled with a can!
You could add an egt if you want but once again with the proper afr it is not needed.

some people just want the basics that they cannot build and will figure the rest out later, a basic kit should be well under 4g canadian! like 3500! And when you mass produce something the cost actually goes down not up!

cheers! cant wait for snow!

 

[ReTodd]

Garrett GT2252 (internal wastegate) new....$950

http://www.theboombopshop.com/Garrett-Turbo-GT2252-p/garrett-gt2252.htm

Boost controler new...$76.50

http://www.agpturbo.com/product.php?productid=16159&cat=255&page=1

Fuel Pump...$90

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12V-...2517944QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear

Regulator...$32

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Univ...86aQQitemZ260483381354QQptZRaceQ5fCarQ5fParts

Boost Gauge...$16

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Type...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Wideband O2...$196

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Inno...Z200389491504QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools

K&N Filter...$32

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

BOV...$58

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/autogrimmig/items/item.aspx?itemid=11431767

Think I'll even through in an intercooler to go where my headlights used to..$132

http://www.theboombopshop.com/MISHIMOTO-Z-line-Intercooler-p/mmint-uz.htm

So far...$1600.50

So, I guess that leaves me $395.50 to fabricate downpipe, Stock Pipe to Turbo connection, and airbox. Still need to buy jets, small oil reservoir and pump for turbo lubrication and a couple of feet of aluminum tubing to cross over to air box. A few other minor things but I think I can do it.

Rt

 

[cb2honk]

Wow! Thats pretty cheap!

 

[gus bohne]

Your selections have now revealed why you could NOT get your head around the self tapping screws used by ski doo on the carb boots.

wow, allot of bad information here ..
New member to the ignore list.
Gus

 

[deaner]

Hey ReTodd..............once you get your kit around 3/4 done, dont forget to come on here and market the hell out of it as the best turbo kit to ever hit the snow! Easiest way is to lurk around and post in every turbo related, or non turbo related topic you can find.

Good luck.

 

[brycter]

One of the things that you might want to think of is. How long will these parts hold up. I have tried some fuel regulators that the diaphram would not hold up to race fuel, or boost. Once boost was sustained for long periods of timethe diaphram blew apart. I have had cheap fuel pumps go out on steep mother hills. you can imagine what happens there. Just some concerns to think about.

dont forget about boost line, clamps, silicone hose, oil lines, welding gas, electricity in you shop, shipping of parts, gauge mounting bracket, zip ties, nuts and bolts, u bends, fuel lines, tee's, elbows, eletrical fittings, tools to get the job done, clutching, tank fittings, cooling lines to turbo, bracket to keep intake boots from delaminating. rivets, box to ship in, tape to seal box, bubble wrap

I will be following this one close. keep up the challange.

 

[ReTodd]

Your selections have now revealed why you could NOT get your head around the self tapping screws used by ski doo on the carb boots.

wow, allot of bad information here ..
New member to the ignore list.
Gus

I don't know why you are upset about this post but if you are going slam someone, shouldn't you at least explain what you are talking about or are you just being coy? I am trying to see how inexpensively I could build a turbo..... I used a lot of inexpensive parts on my TRX and it ran great at 240hp in the MOUNTAINS so I don't know why a 190-200hp sled would be any different.

Regarding you self tapping screws....what I tried to tell you is that this was not a new block so there was no tapping or need for excesive torque to sheer the ****er off. I guess your argument was that it was totally acceptable for a dealer to sheer a bolt off in your motor and not fix it?

I don't know how I'll ever survive with you adding me to the ignore list but I suppose I'll get through somehow. I would add you to mine but then I'd miss out on some great information about lake racing and how to ride sitting down.

 

[triple7]

Dont forget about the labor...I really want an ACCURATE account of EVERY hour you get into ordering, assembly, problem solving, fabrication, tuning, then keep track of the list of parts you will need to buy again because some of the ones you list are going to fail darn near immediatly, and then let us know how it runs please.

Looks like a fun project and a fun challenge.

edit: Apparently this part was offensive to some. I apologize.

Jake

 

[DaveB]

And I would guess that what has Gus's "panties in a wok" is your beligerant showing of ignorance in the subject. But thats just a guess .

Jake

As opposed to your "all-knowing" showing on every turbo thread? Give it a rest Mr. Self-Proclaimed Master of Turbo. Re-Todd has been straightforward and is going to prove to himself and others that either it IS or IS NOT possible to build a cheaper 2 stroke turbo. He's obviously not "ignorant on the subject" as you suggest as he's done a home built sled turbo before.

BTW: I read these because I'm interested in the turbos. I'm also interested to see how many times our vendor-mods stick their noses in and add nothing to the thread but negativity and passive-agressive attacks. Yes, I'm watching YOU.

 

[gus bohne]

Dave .
I have no problem helping a turbo owner, sort out the issues that arise.

I DO feel I would be doing ALL turbo shops a HUGE disservice if I list part by part the proper and improper way to (roll your own ) turbo.

Lets not be the folks who get the paying advertisers too bad mouth us, as lets face it.... they are ALL producing very competitivly priced systems with the appropriate methods and tools.

I will help anyone with a problem, Just not going to help cut the throats of the shops that BROUGHT this( 2 stroke turbo's) back into swing for all the western riders to enjoy.

We all need to understand that there is NO 2000$ profit margin , not even 1000$..Its a labor of passion and commitment to those who believe in YOUR particular system and its operation..

Pointing out wrong choices in a parts list, poor selections in hardware and so forth ,,, thats the SWEAT equity that Dave, Bryce, Shane,Brad, and ALL others have invested, too tell the people who want to short cut this paying for the knowledge is akin to handing out diplomas with no education.

Humility comes from learning from our errors in the real world.

i know I'm not always right,, but I try and when I fail I have none to blame but myself.


back to the grinding room, got 995's to get done !!! ya baaaaabaaaay

Gus
Gus

 

[DaveB]

I agree with you Gus. As I said though, Retodd is either going to prove his theory or disprove it. He's not asking for a "map" on how to do it....he's already stepped up and is making his own path down turbo alley. I don't think he needs a moderator telling him he has a "beligerant showing of ignorance" on the subject.

 

[triple7]

Im glad to see you care about what im up too LOL

I think it will be a fun build to watch. In no way am I trying to say that ReTodd doesnt know what he is doing. I was merely pointing out that Gus would want the sled assembled with the highest grade of parts, therefore ReTodd saying that there should be 2k in parts in a kit is, well, inaccurate. \

But, because Im a mod what I think doesnt matter and is in fact total BS.

So, im out. Ill watch and learn. Cant wait to see the thing go.

Jake

 

[ReTodd]

Well, this thread has gotten totally out of hand. The whole point of the thread was not to say that kit manu. should buy the cheapest stuff or that they are ripping anyone off, but just that they could offer lower end kits (no oil pump, use stock exhaust, no intercooler, no boost controler, etc). Most kits have full custom pipes and clutch kits, fuel controlers etc which of course add to the price. I wasn't intending on bashing those that sell kits. Just trying to point out that their may be a market for a basic kit that can only put out 180-200hp and is easy to install rather than the full monte.

Wouldn't it be cool if their was a turbo that was light weight (like garret Gt12 or 15), was oiless, put out a maximum 6 or 7lbs, and could be spring mounted to your stock pipe, and was $2800-$3000!! You wouldn't even need a waste gate or boost controler. Just jet for max boost and go.

 

[brycter]

re todd that would be so cool . I have tried to think of ways to cut cost and get kits to the customer but i haven't found a way yet. It is guys like you that will find a way and i am watching because if a builder can even get into the $3500 to $4000 range he will pick up about another 20% of the fence sitters. Keep it going and let us know what you findings are. Every mod that has ever been done to a sled started by your kind of thinking. Thinking out side the box.

 

[gus bohne]

Retodd, I probably misunderstood you as you did I.
My meaning tot he bolt comment was bolt fatique from the excess force required during initial assambly and then reassembly in your case as with many others I've seen was as likely a culprit as a technician snapping it off and walking away.

As is the case with the 2008 xp chaincase bolts, another self tapper that is in some instances fatigued to the point of ALMOST failure, they fall off from vibration or when you try to remove them.
Poor quality control at the bolt manufactures end could be the root.

I get frustated when what I mean does not get conveyed by keyboard well.

I appologize for the remarks and wish you well.

Gus

 

[ReTodd]

Retodd, I probably misunderstood you as you did I.
My meaning tot he bolt comment was bolt fatique from the excess force required during initial assambly and then reassembly in your case as with many others I've seen was as likely a culprit as a technician snapping it off and walking away.

As is the case with the 2008 xp chaincase bolts, another self tapper that is in some instances fatigued to the point of ALMOST failure, they fall off from vibration or when you try to remove them.
Poor quality control at the bolt manufactures end could be the root.

I get frustated when what I mean does not get conveyed by keyboard well.

I appologize for the remarks and wish you well.

Gus

Yeah, I've put my proverbial foot in my mouth so often I have to brush my teeth with fast acting Tenactin

Sorry if I offended anyone myself.

Rt

 

[RMK-King]

Maybe silber will make a skidoo kit someday. His polaris and cat kits sell $3200-$3500,seem to be all quality parts to.

www.silberturbos.com

 

[brycter]

I beleve that there is more parts to an xp kit than a efi polaris. I could be wrong but the ones that i have seen thats my take.

 

[turboless terry]

Hey ReTodd..............once you get your kit around 3/4 done, dont forget to come on here and market the hell out of it as the best turbo kit to ever hit the snow! Easiest way is to lurk around and post in every turbo related, or non turbo related topic you can find.

Good luck.

I must be missing something. This is the second thread I've seen you trashing on these guys. I like having the turbo kit guys on here. They have great input and I will guarantee they have helped a lot of people. What is wrong with them being on every thread. It just shows they are really into it. They love what they are doing. If you were building a kit, to sell to the public, you would think it was the best kit ever or you would build it differently. So what if they try to market it on here. Why wouldn't you.

To the guy building his turbo for $2,000. I wish you all the luck in the world. Not everyone can build their own kit. So you are paying someone for what you think they know and for customer service after the kit is in. When you build your own kit you are on your own. There is a lot more time in a marketable kit than most people think. My old boss always said; one godd**it cancels out all the addaboys you ever had. They deserve to get paid a little for that. If I go broke it is because I'm sitting at home on the couch. Not because I'm working.