Sled club PATHETIC!!

[sicamous01]

Really Sherm Really!!

Why are you getting so excited if this is just a bunch of people expressing there concern for a local business? I think thats what happens when people have a guilty conscience!! It seems odd that you are going to bat for other people again... or is it ...seems like your pattern. You think you know the whole story but clearly you don't. You are being told what you want to hear and again you are acting as the puppet. Did you come to the business and ask for the advertising money?? Was that you Sherm? Did you then come back and indicate this would all go away if they would just advertise, I don't know about you but this does sound a bit like black mail to me. It was never offered not once any free advertising, or a payments plan to this company if that was the case do you think perhaps a different outcome would have taken place, I do! I know the new owners personally and they have lived in this town for over 20 years they know that there main source of income will be from the sledders and the houseboaters so you really beleive that they would turn down any "free" advertising or incentives that the sledding club offered, give your head a shake. The club has offered them free advertising on the back of tickets as of last week.. but I think the point is lost here, this seems like a bandaid for the behaviour of certain people that want this all to go away and come out looking like the hero's!! Don't sit there and point fingers at everyone else and say we all have bleeding hearts when we are just supporting someone who has been slandered around town, its not right.
Stop talking for other people you end up looking bad!!

 

[sicamous01]

This is my favorite quote of yours!! Your right certain people have gone above and beyond to make sure they let people and other business's in town to not even fill up personal vehicles at this station because they don't support the club. And when the station tries to ignore all the "politics" and hand out coupons they are told they are not aloud on Owls head property, last time I checked this was crown land. How would you know anything about a civil meeting?? Again were you there? No?? Your right they have done everything they can to support this station and you do know the whole story "puppet" keep posting stuff this is actually getting fun!!


"6. The Club, but especially the President of it, has gone above and beyond what would be normal in an attempt to try and help out the gas station in question, and all to no avail. The owner would appear to not want any help that the Club has tried to give him, and refuses to even sit down and discuss it in a civil manner. The Club even offered a payment plan to the owner for the couple hundred bucks of advertising and that it didn’t have to be paid until next season! They were offered a prime spot for advertising on the reverse side of our trail tickets, this too was refused. Just how much is a Club supposed to do to “help out” a business, give them free advertising? I think not. And, if its free advertising they want, they’re getting a ton of it out of this website, and I have no doubt this is also a planned move on their part because by the looks of some of the posts they’ve drummed up some business!"

 

[gatekeeper]

sicamous01 says "And when the station tries to ignore all the "politics" and hand out coupons they are told they are not aloud on Owls head property"

Your kidding right?? lol

 

[Shermanator]

As suspected, it makes no difference if the truth is told or not, some people will believe what they want to!
Fasttrack, no apology necessary if you haven't done anything wrong and in my case nothing wrong was done. I encourage people to cater to those that advertise with the club, simple as that.
sicamous01, it wouldn't matter what I say as you'll only believe what you want to hear from others in order to "support the cause"! My conscience is quite clear thank you. If trying to tell everyone what the truth is behind this incident is wrong, then I don't quite get your point. And, no, I didn't go to their business and offer them any advertising, perhaps you should read my other post another time. As well, they were never offered any "free" advertising but simply time to pay for some advertising. And no, no one told anyone to not fill up their private vehicles there. I'm not sure in what context to take the "puppet" comment but it would certainly appear you like to pull a few strings yourself. Its sad that you see standing up for ones self and standing up for your Club is a sign of weakness in some way. I'd strongly suggest you get your stories correct before posting things, thats how rumours are started. The only slandering going on is against those in the Club. As to the meeting no, I wasn't there, but was aprised of what happened at it, you again obviously got a different story than I did. The coupons stuff I can't comment on simply because I don't have all the facts on it and all I know is that this too was dealt with by the Club. Its also quite sad that you find this "fun". In one breath you feel sorry for someone and in next you take pride in causing more animosity, very strange.....Sherm

 

[sicamous01]

sicamous01 says "And when the station tries to ignore all the "politics" and hand out coupons they are told they are not aloud on Owls head property"

Your kidding right. lol

Wish I was, guess Sherm didn't hear about this one or he just forgot to let eveyone know about it in his one sided "Truth Tale".

 

[Shermanator]

Once again you seem to have problems reading the posts, I can't help you out with that. I didn't say I didn't hear about it, just that I didn't have all the facts so didn't want to comment about it, unlike you in your posts in which you comment about everything but have nothing to substantiate anything! I could find out what happened with respect to the coupons but, you'd only twist what I say into what you want to hear and it would make no difference. I told you no one wanted to hear the truth! Sherm

 

[sicamous01]

Missing the point

You obviously are missing the point and aren't reading what you are saying. All you can talk about is the "truth" this is the "truth" and that. When I asked you the questions as to if you were there or not and you responded with no and no and no then how could you possibly know the truth? The heading on your post is "You want the truth, you can't handle the truth" Do you think that possibly just possibly the contraversy continue's becuase of people like you spreading the "truth" and cannot think for one minute that there is another side to the story. I absolutely beleive that there are 2 sides to every story but you do not. I wasn't there in any of the situations outlined but either were you so don't come on here posting the "truth" when you are just a person that has heard a second hand story. This is what I find "funny" you rant and rave about people like "me" but really you need to look in the mirror.

 

[Shermanator]

I believe it was you who accused me of going there and strong arming the owners into getting them to advertise, you were again obviously wrong in your assumptions! I get my information first hand from the people that were in fact there, so don't have to make things up as others have in these posts. There is nothing worse than someone from Alberta (not bashing Alberbtans, good grief, don't make something up about that up now!) that heard from someone that someone else said that blah blah blah, thats hearsay. Of course there are 2 sides to every story and I've heard my versions first hand and go with them as these people are very reputable, just as you are believeing what you heard from your "sources", nothing wrong with that. If my version of the truth bothers you so much then don't read my posts! Sherm

 

[Fasttrack]

The post was never meant to slander the club(l know alot of the members they are very nice people,l moved here a long time ago for the sledding, l apoligized for not rewriting the way it was sent to me,but since then l have seen your posts Sherm and to me they wern't polite things to say l think others should read them and see what people are talking about and decide for them self and as for your #2 coment in your post (quote) ( it is my opinon that it is someone who is in it for there own gain and it dosn't take a brain surgeon to figure out who) now let me guess,who you are talking about, is it the buisness in question, HMMMM. after them again hey Shermy well sorry to burst your bubble DUDE it was started by a group of Albertans had never even stopped or talked to the people from Gas Plus they just seen your posts and checked into see why you said those things and came up with there own opinion that you were WRONG doing what you did, so as for blaming others and dragging a great club into all this l have only one thing left to say and l am done with crap and that is grow up and take responsability for what YOU started and be a man about it !!!!

l never let things bother me but this stuff did , so sorry to any others this might have upset.

Take care and safe riding

 

[tranquillicer]

Original post

Is missing and contains the words that were upsetting to me at least and any time you encourage a boycott on a public forum "it is public" and thats exactly what I read on SW and thats why I responded at the time. Too bad its all gone.

 

[Shermanator]

I'm sure you can ask Sno West to dig up the old posts, I certainly have no problem with posting them again but, the intention behind them will be misconstrued in any case! I'm not sure how any Albertans recently could have read those original posts, seeing as they were deleted back in November '09. And Fasttrack, once again your wrong in whom I am assuming is behind this but whatever, you'll not believe the truth again. And, there is nothing to "man up" about, my opinion as to supporting the club's sponsor/advertiser's stays. How you wish to read into what was posted is obviously your opinion, as with tranquillicer's latest post. What used to be a "stated boycott" on Sno West has now been reduced to encouraging a boycott on Sno West. I guess you can change the words around to suit whatever you want, I'm telling sledders to support our sponsors and if you see that as a boycott, then that is your right, I have no problem with that. Also, it was not me who started this post, but I am "man" enough to respond to the posts that have been slandering myself, other Club members and the Club, that is my obligation as a loyal Club member. Anyone else want to have a go at it? Sherm

 

[tranquillicer]

I'm sure you can ask Sno West to dig up the old posts, I certainly have no problem with posting them again but, the intention behind them will be misconstrued in any case! I'm not sure how any Albertans recently could have read those original posts, seeing as they were deleted back in November '09. And Fasttrack, once again your wrong in whom I am assuming is behind this but whatever, you'll not believe the truth again. And, there is nothing to "man up" about, my opinion as to supporting the club's sponsor/advertiser's stays. How you wish to read into what was posted is obviously your opinion, as with tranquillicer's latest post. What used to be a "stated boycott" on Sno West has now been reduced to encouraging a boycott on Sno West. I guess you can change the words around to suit whatever you want, I'm telling sledders to support our sponsors and if you see that as a boycott, then that is your right, I have no problem with that. Also, it was not me who started this post, but I am "man" enough to respond to the posts that have been slandering myself, other Club members and the Club, that is my obligation as a loyal Club member. Anyone else want to have a go at it? Sherm

First of all I did not quote you as being the author of the thread, second, if you have a problem with the apparent change in text from my first to the second post then just re-read the first post ok, the intent was the same. Third, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and $h%ts like a duck....ITS A DUCK!!!! Call it a boycott or call it "a request to refrain from doing business" I don't care. I simply stood up for what I felt was an unfare assault on an upstart business in a community that ,like almost all small communities, needs all the business it can stuff into its a$$ pocket. Fourth, the thread was deleted for some strange reason but not before I responded to it so I am very aware of what the content was so don't bother to downplay that.
BTW, there seems to be a h3ll of a lot of slanderous assaults on a lot of individuals and individuals doing business, good bad or otherwise, with sledders on this site and yet this particular thread was cut very quickly from the forum while others seem to be lingering here like a festering wound.Whats the skinny on that?
So, no matter who started the thread in the first place the fact is that it was and it was put on a public forum for any and all to see. That should never have happened.

 

[Guenefere]

The original threads

You want the facts everyone. Here are the two Shermanator posts:

1. FYI Rene, that new Gas Plus doesn't support the club! IMHO, would be nice for sledders to cater to those that help us out? Sherm

2. I'm not sure what the new owners name is at Gas Plus but after having Connie and Clayton running Sun Valley Gas out of there for years and doing more for our club than anyone else thats pumps the fossil fuel, its pretty sad! To each their own, us "regulars" will find another local sponser to share our loot with! Sherm

You're right Sherm...no out and out slander here. But lets just say I'm from out of town and I"m looking on SnowWest forums about my upcoming trip to Sicamous for sledding. Here's what I see on this forum...the new owners in comparison to the old "its pretty sad!" That the new owner of GAS Plus "doesn't support the club!" "would be nice for sledders to cater to those that help us out?" So I think to myself...Gas Plus doesn't support the local club therefore they don't cater to sledders? The club in Sicamous and the locals aren't supporting that place cause it looks like they are doing a terrible job of running the business that the old owners ran so well. Hmmm...might have to find another place to get fuel and food cause it looks like the local sledders don't like this place.

You don't have to slander..you only have to infer and suggest. Human beings are very prone to suggestion and there is no doubt that you were suggesting that at least the local sledders in this town support the club sponsers...which is fine but you also suggest that they exclude support for that one particular business and any other that doesn't sponsor the club. "nice for sledders to cater to those that help us out"...."us "regulars" will find another local sponser to share our loot with.

There you have it...the controversial posts from Shermanator, everyone. Decide for yourselves what the intent was behind the words. For me it is obvious at this point that this is not a club issue or an issue with Gas Plus. It is a Sherminater issue. Sorry Sherm but I think an apology is still needed. At this point I think that apology should come from you and in this forum would be a good place to start.

 

[Shermanator]

tranquillicer, you stood up for what you believed was right and there's nothing wrong with that, just as I have, and nothing wrong with that either. One can turn the words around and make them out to be whatever suits or pleases them, no one has any control over that. I'm also not downplaying the previous posts and in fact invited them to be re-posted, I have nothing to hide in them and stand by what I said in them. The unfortunate part I suppose in all of this is that many of the readers have absolutely no idea what it takes to run such a Club. It is thanks to our advertisers that we are able to keep afloat, and hence the reason to support them by using their services. If we didn't support them they would pull their advertising (and other donatons such as at our annual Dinner/Auction) and we'd have nothing. I do totally agree with you on the festering part, this post should never have been allowed to start with, it makes for hard feelings all around.
Guenefere, thank you for posting the old stuff, I agree that everyone should read them and form their own opinion however, at this stage of the game and after all the BS spread on this post, I feel opinions may now be byast! To clarify some of your questions, and of course this won't be believed either but, with respect to "its pretty sad" first. This was no reflection on the new owners but on losing the old owners and the fact I would not be fueling up there as I have done for the past 4 years. My term "support" of the Club was again misconstrued and could have been "advertised" instead but again, I doubt if it would have made much difference at the time.
I also can agree with you, partially, in that this is not so much a Club issue as it was my post, but it was in fact in support of our Club. If someone does not speak up on these issues they go by the wayside and it could have devastating effects on the Club. I cannot make readers think as I do and figure out what I mean in my posts, I can only hope that they think about it rather than jump to conclusions. There is still no apology coming off these lips, I'd hardly apologize for supporting our Club and advising others to support our advertisers..................Sherm

 

[Fasttrack]

You know Shermy, you are somthing special. You can turn
things around that people say to the point that it amazes me. Let me put this in a way that you will understand. NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE CLUB OR IT'S MEMBERS. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID. As for what the people from Alberta said...did anyone say they had just read it? NO! " You want the truth? you cant handle the truth" Shermy because you appear to be incapable of telling it. You need to get your facts straight. Believe me, l am a pretty good judge of people and just by reading your posts and watching how you turn some facts around to your favor, and make everyone else look like the criminal, l would say you are a EX and we both know what that is, don't we Sherman. You and I both know that there is no one better at turning facts around or twisting them just enough, in their favor. You are good but not that good Shermy l've been around better and when the truth comes out like you and me both know it always does it will not involve our fine snowmobile club or its good members, that YOU! keep dragging into this. It will be one person that comes up. Butt not smelling like a rose!

so in closing l will say (read this closely Sherm so it isn't taken as slander) we have a great club with good members but one bad apple can spoil the bunch

Take care and lets ride safe guys

 

[Shermanator]

Fasttrack, have a good one and yes, the truth will come out but none of you would believe it anyways. And, as far as me being a retired RCMP, and I assume thats what you mean by an EX, yes, I too am a good judge of character and have dealt with many different types of people. And yes, we do have a fine Club and members, thanks to the hard work of some volunteers and thanks to our sponsor/adverstisers whom some of us support! FYI, this will be my last post, it is more than obvious that opinions are set and will not be changed and further hashing of this issue cannot lead to any productive outcome. How's that for an EX sign off! Sled Safe...Sherm

 

[smokindave]

Here is the real truth!!!

Well Sherminator,
Here is my take on the situation.You are an active member in the club, and I commend you for that.
You go to all the meetings,and know what has been said at all meetings.You knew that Fas Gas said that at this moment they could not afford to support the club at the moment as they had just bought the business.
You knew the situation with them, with them saying they would support the club in the future but obvously that was not good enough for you.

Then when Rene made a post saying that he got fuel at Fas Gas you made a post saying that they don't support the club and that we should support businesses that support the club,and stay away from Fas Gas on the WWW.

But you knew the whole story with them,that they had just purchased the company and did not have the funds to support the club at that moment but they did say they would in the future.

If this was posted by someone not affiliated with the club it wouldn't have been such a big deal,but you used your inside knowledge to force them to try and make them support the club now,not when they could afford it,kind of extorsion like methods in my opinion.

As we all know the valley has had a real bad year with many businesses going out of business eg..Malakwa food store and gas station with a liquor store to boot closing and in town many restraunts and motels like the Alpiner shutting down.

When I deleted your post in the riding conditions section,I told you in a PM that this was thread drift and was not on conditions and I would have moved it to a different section only I could not figure where to put it.If I wasn't a moderator I would have reported the post as thread drift and bashing.

I also stated to you if you started a thread on clubs and their info I would make it a sticky so you could post sponsors of the club along with club info.I was very polite with you,helping you out as best I could,short of starting a thread for you.I will start one now,so clubs can post links to their sites.

In my opinion you were bashing this business for no real reason other than having insider info and tring to force them to become members knowing their situation as you stated you do go to all the club meetings.

Do you need too appolgise?Only if you have a conscience I guess,and from what I understand this would make Fas Gas happy and end this negative BS on an excellent club,they had nothing to do with this bashing and they have some of the nicest and best maintained riding areas in the province.
At the time of your origional post over 2500 people had read that thread, with this beening a very popular area.So there was a chance of you hurting this business.Back fired though!!!

So if you feel this is my fault,I have big shoulders and thick skin so bash away on me,I can take it,I can see how your post is my fault.
And like you,wish all this negative BS would just go away but I guess that is up to you and your stuburness to take responsibility for your actions.
This is the real truth,not your twisted sense of the truth.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[sicamous01]

Well said!! Its nice to know that there are people that can see the facts as they are and don't let there arrogance blind them.

I do know this.... there is a guy who bought a gas station that was taking a risk in these hard times, he is very aware of that, he was not aware of how one little move such as not being able to purchase advertising with the club would cause so much trouble for him. I think the word support was loosely used by Sherman and others, he does in every aspect support the sledding industry, grooming conditions are posted in the store, premium marked gas is in the pumps, and great food is available for all sledders.
For Sherman to say all these things about what did or didn't happen is very wrong, he has never once met the new owners, or stepped foot in the gas station.
Living in a small town (or the internet) word travels fast, and bad news travel's the fastest, so lets spread good news about a great gas station so that next year when the club comes around the owner will gladly advertise in the booklet.