also, an interesting thing IM noticing that seems to affect turbo's more then NA as the power exagerates it, I was pulling 65-70mph track sleep on my yamadoo at 11#/ thats a ot of speed for the power, but my track is soft, so theres no traction, and its spinning and not doing anything, with a 2.5 camo extreme i bet 50 would be more reasonable, but it would SMOKE mine right now. i got an attack 20 in HC on it now, we shall see what my newfound traction does.