Sitting vs standing

[Whiz-bang]

I know nice topic title. Thought it might get some attention. But seriously I wanted to get some of your thoughts on something that has had me scratching my head.

I would like to spend more time standing when riding a snowbike.

I am having a hard time understanding why I stand most of the time when I ride a bike in the dirt and ride a sled in the snow yet I find myself and see others sitting more than standing when riding a snowbike. I feel that we are missing out on a lot of leverage and mobility on the bike when sitting. Am I missing something?

What needs to be changed on the current setups to allow a more natural stand up riding position?

 

[lundracing]

I know personally I would need 4 to 6 inch bar risers to feel comfortable standing in my bike. Sucks being tall when they build all this equipment for shorter guys. Is there any room to drop the pegs a few inches to help

 

[egesledder]

^Agreed. I like low bars for the dirt to get weight over the front end. There's not really a need for that on the snow, especially with the huge lever arm behind you all the time. Sitting helps keep your weight off the bars and further back.

 

[Hawkster]

If I couldn't steer with the pegs I'd sure as heck wouldn't be riding a Hawk not to mention my better half is a peanut and there's no way she'd be able to handle hers without the use of the pegs .

Just another hurdle for the bikes to take , I've pointed this out several times but no ones ever commented on it . Maybe a bike bigger than a 450 wouldn't be such a bad idea , constructive criticism for those looking outside the box .

They all have their faults .

 

[Hbmtr]

I was not comfortable standing until i used a bar riser which is the complete opposite when i was riding moto. I am only 5' 7" on a good day.After i added riser and pulled the bars back i was able to get my weight farther back with less pressure on the ski which again is opposite of good moto technique. go figure

 

[SEOINAGE]

I was not comfortable standing until i used a bar riser which is the complete opposite when i was riding moto. I am only 5' 7" on a good day.After i added riser and pulled the bars back i was able to get my weight farther back with less pressure on the ski which again is opposite of good moto technique. go figure

I have my bars up higher and positioned more forward for dirt. I'm assuming I won't quite do the same for snow, since everyone I see is trying to keep the weight back more on these things. Purpose built bike could solve these balance issues...

 

[mrsnaglepuss]

Good topic. When i was young and rode Maico's, Can-Ams. and 550 ktm smokers (CR500 & KX500 eater) I stood up 70-80% of the time at speed. I had way more control, flick-ability, steer-ability, like you pointed the bike where to go, pinched the tank and saddle with my knees just like riding a horse.

Early sleds your *** sat lower than your knees, weight distribution, and suspension all sucked. By the time sleds progressed in power, suspension, and figured out the riding position, I was fat, old, and had a bad back. I lived for boondocking my sled, jumping back and forth, from side to side on the tunnel, leaning up hill and pulling the outboard ski up and side hilling. By this time I was slowing down, but then the TS MH came along in 2011.

Snowbiking was a different animal, I found I was sitting way more than a dirt bike or newer sleds. Got rid of that 2x4 of a seat, put some cush on the tush, revalved, resprung forks, up graded skid suspension, and way less body english than a sled for the terrain, and i could ride all day! Now if your doing a lot of bumps, whoops, jumps, climbs, of course you stand up more. Like anything you ride as opposed to sit in, terrain dictates your riding position. I go places on my snowbike my sled could simply not go period. (and no Chris Burandt can't either, cause his sled doesn't fit). Snowbiking simply ROCKS.

 

[jrusher]

Moto i try stand all time , snow biking i stand on trail but when in the deep having my weight back and low on seat feels better for traction and handling

 

[Rush44]

More sitting than standing for sure. I'm 6ft1 and a good set of bar risers is a must. I do stand often on the trail to help soak up some of the terrain, when initiating downhill lines in the backcountry, and when slowed way the hell down for creeping through tight tight trees.

And yes, replace the seat. Your anus will thank you.

 

[Whiz-bang]

I wonder if the sx kit, new convex track or the new tss makes its more comfortable and rewarding to stand up.

 

[WaBackcountry]

Nothing like sidehilling a 60 degree slope through a 24" opening in the trees all while having your *** firmly planted on the seat. Love it.

 

[Niskibum]

and when slowed way the hell down for creeping through tight tight trees.

I think I've seen a few of your videos, have yet to see you "creep" through anything that I can remember.

 

[Rush44]

I think I've seen a few of your videos, have yet to see you "creep" through anything that I can remember.

I guess "creep" is a relative term... but it happens! Doesn't make for the best video, unfortunately.

 

[powdermuncher]

SX kit with drive axle 1 inch further forward foot pegs relocated 1.5 inches back and a 2" riser pulled back at about 45 degree angle allows for easy stand up riding. I also widened the pegs by 1" that allows steering through the pegs much like a bike. Its all about the balance point most set ups are too nose heavy.
That is why most manufacturers have gone on the lower backend-drive axle further forward band wagon, but that alone is not enough.

 

[sidehillsam]

Really, all this equipment is built for shorter guys? Have you EVER seen any after market suppler offer a RAISING kit for a dirtbike?

 

[leeee]

Really, all this equipment is built for shorter guys? Have you EVER seen any after market suppler offer a RAISING kit for a dirtbike?

http://2tallracing.com/

 

[kyle.B.]

Ya what he said

Bikes are built ergonomically for riders that are like 5' 10". 2 tall racing makes bike raising kits for ktm bikes. Not sure on other brands

 

[Whiz-bang]

Powdermuncher,
Great info. Your changes makes good sense. Can you give a little more detail as to how you changed the drive axle position and moved the pegs back?

 

[vmax1200]

Proper bar riser height and a custome built seat built by FISHER Seat's in Eagle ,Idaho best combo for year round

 

[powdermuncher]

Powdermuncher,
Great info. Your changes makes good sense. Can you give a little more detail as to how you changed the drive axle position and moved the pegs back?

The drive axle on the sx kit is about one inch further forward than the standard kit. On the yamaha aluminium frame it is easy to make aluminium plates that bolt on the original peg mounts and mount the pegs 1.5 inches further back on the plate. The narrower sx tunnel and track allow for better clearance for boots and pegs for this to work much better.