Anyone coming off a 1974 Bultaco MX bike will feel right at home.
They should put the carbon fiber RSI narrow mountain bars with a RSI riser on the snochecks....you still listening Polaris?
Short Video of our ride on the 2013 launch day.
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Anyone coming off a 1974 Bultaco MX bike will feel right at home.
They should put the carbon fiber RSI narrow mountain bars with a RSI riser on the snochecks....you still listening Polaris?
Seems like a love / hate thing. You either love 'em or you hate 'em. I actually really like them.
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milo303
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I'm a big guy and like the pro taper bars
To the people razzing on the ones who got a shot at this demo day
It's likely that type of attitude keeping you from getting a cool opportunity like this.
I don't know the people of this forum all that well, but I would imagine this opportunity was tossed out to people who are positive and would give an honest educated review. And are probably kick ***/positive contributors to the forum.
Anyways, awesome video. Grats to everyone involved! Super stoked that Polaris took the time to bring snowest riders in on something like this. It's great direct advertising and hopefully means they're watching the forums and taking what mods we make into consideration.
Love it
To the people razzing on the ones who got a shot at this demo day
It's likely that type of attitude keeping you from getting a cool opportunity like this.
I don't know the people of this forum all that well, but I would imagine this opportunity was tossed out to people who are positive and would give an honest educated review. And are probably kick ***/positive contributors to the forum.
Anyways, awesome video. Grats to everyone involved! Super stoked that Polaris took the time to bring snowest riders in on something like this. It's great direct advertising and hopefully means they're watching the forums and taking what mods we make into consideration.
Love it
I did change mine over to RSI, but I wouldn't say they are the worst. My D7 bars with the big John Deere controls on it where much worse. I had more problems with the right angle bar ends that build up with ice and catch on all of my clothing and backpack.
What is wrong with the handlebar?
Personnaly nothing. Wouldn't change a thing. Everyone will have a preferance to how each component on a sled relates. Polaris could change the bars to something one guy thinks is better and the rest will critisize it. I would bet the present bars suit most people fine. Love mine and every thing about the rider erganomics. Main reason I bought this sled is it just fits perfect unlike the DOOs that you need to adjust yourself to fit the sled ergonomics. I don't fit Doos at all and I have rode summits and renegades. Balance is all wrong. The Poo fits perfect without a lengthy learning curve. Always like the Poos for this reason.
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The handlebars do make most people pretty happy.
I'm short.. I'd put a set of shorter bars on it.
When you are talking about getting a mountain machine to fit... the bars are one of the first things that I say to check out... If they dont work.. simple to change them... But again the PT stock bars work for many.
Polaris was very interested in working with me and it took some serious juggling on both my part and Polaris Industries to pull this ride together in the 11th hour... but they made it happen and asked me to find a group of riders that would be willing to come and test the new sleds... I put out some inquirys to some fellow SW'rs and got a good cross section of people from average riders like me and Charlie to pros like Phatty and Brandy.... and all in between.
Polaris is listening... but they cant make all people happy... and have to buffer their decisions with Corporate considerations that all publicly traded companies must take into account.
For those screaming for 10 more HP... ride it and then talk about it.
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I'm short.. I'd put a set of shorter bars on it.
When you are talking about getting a mountain machine to fit... the bars are one of the first things that I say to check out... If they dont work.. simple to change them... But again the PT stock bars work for many.
Polaris was very interested in working with me and it took some serious juggling on both my part and Polaris Industries to pull this ride together in the 11th hour... but they made it happen and asked me to find a group of riders that would be willing to come and test the new sleds... I put out some inquirys to some fellow SW'rs and got a good cross section of people from average riders like me and Charlie to pros like Phatty and Brandy.... and all in between.
Polaris is listening... but they cant make all people happy... and have to buffer their decisions with Corporate considerations that all publicly traded companies must take into account.
For those screaming for 10 more HP... ride it and then talk about it.
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nuggetau
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I don't own a Pro (yet). But here is what I would like to see to convince me to buy(If Polaris is listening?).
1. Get rid of the push pin attachments for the wind shield. They suck!
2. Get rid of the fasteners for the side panels(They suck), faster and easier please!
3. Redesign the front bumper, use some auto technology so that it can absorb some small impacts without damage.
4. Fix the broken primary spring issue.
5. I would gladly take some more ponies, but even more importantly, make the motor more reliable, longer life for the pistons, rings and bearings.
6. Offer an option for different handlebars, I'm one who hates the current offering.
7. Spend the money(R&D) to address belt heat and wear!!!! It just seems no snowmobile manufacturer seems to care about this issue, maybe because their is so much money to be made from selling belts?
1. Get rid of the push pin attachments for the wind shield. They suck!
2. Get rid of the fasteners for the side panels(They suck), faster and easier please!
3. Redesign the front bumper, use some auto technology so that it can absorb some small impacts without damage.
4. Fix the broken primary spring issue.
5. I would gladly take some more ponies, but even more importantly, make the motor more reliable, longer life for the pistons, rings and bearings.
6. Offer an option for different handlebars, I'm one who hates the current offering.
7. Spend the money(R&D) to address belt heat and wear!!!! It just seems no snowmobile manufacturer seems to care about this issue, maybe because their is so much money to be made from selling belts?
N, if you are popping primary springs, take a sander to the spider jam nut, it gets burrs on it from the socket on install and that is what normally causes broken springs....
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nuggetau
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I don't own a pro (yet), but nearly every guy I ride with who owns the pro has had a broken primary spring. So, it would be nice if Polaris fixed the problem.
There are so many issues like this that the manufacturers(all 4) should and could fix relatively easy, but they fail to do so year after year. I don't understand why they accept this level of incompetence? It's not string theory for cripes sake, just fix the problems and quit ignoring them!
A note to the snowmobile manufacturers. Quality matters, even though you have convinced us that we should accept all these design defaults as "normal", we deserve better!!! Then again, maybe we don't, many seem to be plenty happy with what you give us.
The US auto manufactures were content with making cars and trucks that were just "good enough" until the Japanese raised the bar and we lost huge amounts of market share until the US manufactures began to build better quality.
Until snowmobilers demand better quality we will continue to see the same problems year after year.
Nuggetau.... I agree with you on the quality issues... that is why I believe that the forums are an invaluble tool for the engineers to get real world feedback on their products... They DO listen and where possible they use this input to help refine their product.
I'm pretty confident that the engineers in Roseau MN USA where the primary clutches are made are aware of this spring binding issue and will be striving to improve the product in the years to come.
Before this year... you really did not hear of big problems of spring breakage on a P-85 clutch... which has been pretty "bullet-proof" through the years.
Further on the QC topic you mention...
Now, more than ever, the consumers have the means to communicate indirectly with the manufacturers to give feedback on the development.
IMO... the Polaris engineers have been looking at this feedback and integrating it into their machines ... even when that feedback is outside of their normal paradigm.
Corporate considerations of a publicly traded company play a major roll in the decision making process... they are after all by definition responsible to the share holders of the company. I see Polaris Industries having a more long term view of products and customer satisfaction through the years. Sure, there are problems with products...and those problems are magnified through discussions that can take place on the forums... but in the end... I believe that the USA production of Polaris Snowmobiles is one very good example that "MADE IN THE USA" can still mean quality and inovation.
To me... this new sled is a result of this consumer input.
When Polaris gave me the ability to invite the group of people in the vid and was truly interested in the feedback of our riders... It shows that they are willing to put the effort out there, both in this AND in the Demo tour where average Joes like you and me can get access to the people that design the machines with the opportunity to ride and compare to previous versions.... Where else does that happen in the real world of powersports??
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I'm pretty confident that the engineers in Roseau MN USA where the primary clutches are made are aware of this spring binding issue and will be striving to improve the product in the years to come.
Before this year... you really did not hear of big problems of spring breakage on a P-85 clutch... which has been pretty "bullet-proof" through the years.
Further on the QC topic you mention...
Now, more than ever, the consumers have the means to communicate indirectly with the manufacturers to give feedback on the development.
IMO... the Polaris engineers have been looking at this feedback and integrating it into their machines ... even when that feedback is outside of their normal paradigm.
Corporate considerations of a publicly traded company play a major roll in the decision making process... they are after all by definition responsible to the share holders of the company. I see Polaris Industries having a more long term view of products and customer satisfaction through the years. Sure, there are problems with products...and those problems are magnified through discussions that can take place on the forums... but in the end... I believe that the USA production of Polaris Snowmobiles is one very good example that "MADE IN THE USA" can still mean quality and inovation.
To me... this new sled is a result of this consumer input.
When Polaris gave me the ability to invite the group of people in the vid and was truly interested in the feedback of our riders... It shows that they are willing to put the effort out there, both in this AND in the Demo tour where average Joes like you and me can get access to the people that design the machines with the opportunity to ride and compare to previous versions.... Where else does that happen in the real world of powersports??
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nuggetau
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Eric
They may be "listening", but where is the action? People have been complaining about the push pins, D-zuz fasteners on the side panels, destroyed belts, ring and bearing failures and broken primary springs (just to name a few) since 2010. And yet, I can almost guarantee all these design flaws will still be present in the 2013 model year.
If all these design flaws are carried over a 3 year period, how can you say they are listening? The other manufactures are no better.
When you have a design flaw it should never take more than one model year to address it.
There are only two control interfaces between a mountain rider and a snowmobile (handlebars and the running boards). Yet it took a manufacturer this many years to give us a running board that might not load up?
I will give Polaris props for the new running boards, but every snowmobile company ignored this critical rider interface for all this time, so can any of them really claim to be "listening". Almost every sledder has complained about this for decades, and I think we can all agree building a running board that won't load up isn't rocket science. They may have listened, but they didn't do anything substantial about it for decades! I don't consider decades to be an acceptable learning curve.
What specifically is it, that you do not like?
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nuggetau
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Yep, that's what I hear from most people. It forces you to lean or reach farther/a lot of arm movement just to turn a little bit. Until you ride the same sled with narrower bars it probably won't make sense. Also depends on how you ride I suppose.
I could see wider bars if it took a lot of effort to turn, but the Pro turns very easily.
They stopped JUST short of putting a school bus steering wheel on there
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CoyoteGirl
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I did have to giggle about that...
Next year there will be a 4th expectation....no hitting stumps.
No, it will be "bring spare a-arms"!!!
I don't like the Pro-Tapers myself.... prefer the steel stock ones. But would still rather them even narrower.
They stopped JUST short of putting a school bus steering wheel on there
I've always thought it would be interesting to have a steering wheel on a sled...
I think too many people get caught up on the numbers. These stock sleds out perform some of the 200hp mod sleds we had a few years ago!
Eric
They may be "listening", but where is the action? People have been complaining about the push pins, D-zuz fastenerson the side panels, destroyed belts, ring and bearing failures and broken primary springs (just to name a few) since 2010. And yet, I can almost guarantee all these design flaws will still be present in the 2013 model year.
If all these design flaws are carried over a 3 year period, how can you say they are listening? The other manufactures are no better.
When you have a design flaw it should never take more than one model year to address it.
There are only two control interfaces between a mountain rider and a snowmobile (handlebars and the running boards). Yet it took a manufacturer this many years to give us a running board that might not load up?
I cant help but to be bothered about your complaints. First off, no manufacturer is ever going to please you and everyone 100%. Complaining about the push pins in the windshield? Im glad mine came out when I flew through my windshield instead of trashing the windshield. Also they are very cheap and available at virtually every hardware store. The clips that hold the side panels? Fact is they work. Iv never had a side panel come open unexpected, ever! Iv rolled my sled dozens of times and nothing. And thats just petty stuff...
Belt issues? Thats funny because I havent heard of many...
Same goes with the engine... Its not as if you hear every other thread on here about blown engine this or threw a rod that. One of Polaris' problems is being the top sold mountain sled. That means your more exposed. Theres always going to be a certain % of faulty items from any manufacturer in any line of motorized sports.(Granted snowmobiles being the least reliable.) Im really getting tired of hearing people complain about the polaris powerplant and they dont even own one. Just take care of your chit and it'll take care of you.
Whos to say they didnt have a new engine ready to go this year but due to cost to them which in turn would affect cost for us it didnt work out. It'd be hard to justify a $1,500 dollar increase in msrp for 10 hp...
The fact is they really are trying. Im sure there is alot more to the game than most people realize. Their ultimate goal is to provide us the best posible sled at the most reasonable price. And in my opinion, right now Polaris is the best bang for the buck. Im sure for most of the people complaining, you 15 years ago would be kicking your current day a$$. Just sayin...
Edit: Well apparently iv been oblivious to the recent posts of engine related problems. Maybe polaris does have a problem, i donno... I do know that 95% of the people Iv ever rode with dont actually take the time to make sure everything is up to operating temps before rippin. Im just as quilty sometimes. A little extra time probably couldnt hurt.
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Sweet video btw! Ill be looking forward to my demo ride later this month 
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