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Shopping 5th Wheel Campers, Ideas?

AndrettiDog

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We are looking for a used 5th wheel camper and I'm curious if anyone has comments on what has been a great camper or what to avoid. We want something affordable, perhaps no more than $20k. Has to have the fiberglass/smooth siding (not the corrugated siding). We don't necessarily need a bunk house but would take the right one. We want a living room slide out and hope to get a bedroom slide out. I figure we will probably get a 2006-2009 camper.

I'll probably add stuff like generator, LED TV (for the kid) and other tidbits.
 
Good luck. We are on trailer #3 and will buy new from now on. Too many minor and a few major problems that were not disclosed or hidden. There are complaints and horror stories with almost each RV manufacturer so it is hard to distinguish whether a particular brand is better than another one. Your best bet is to research a trailer you are interested in thoroughly. Online user/brand forums are a good place to start.

Some problems with my last 3 purchases that were used.

Current trailer rear axle is not aligned or bent and rear left side wheel wears prematurely. A set of brand new tires when purchased from previous owner hid that problem. I have a good shop that will straighten it and align it for me but that is another expense that chipped away the savings over a new trailer. It also had an intermittent electrical brake issue which took me a day to track down: note to self, get rid of metal clips that hold the electric brake wiring on the brake drum...replace them with plastic clips and put some insulating tape or use liquid tape over the wiring so it won't chaff. It also had gas leaking from elbow's and t-fittings and a dropped water tank that didn't fall off because of plumbing and electrical wiring that held the empty tank in place during the pre-purchase walkthrough/inspection. It took me a 3 day weekend to reinstall the water tank, fix the damage to wiring and plumbing, and reinforce the gray/black water tanks that were held on by spot welded flimsy brackets.

Number #2 trailer had a frame that was not built true at the factory and it was an awful sway monster. A local welding shop did a great job squaring the frame which made the trailer easier to tow. We only test drove it in city traffic and it did fine up to 55mph but at 65mph it as impossible to tow with a slight cross wind.

Trailer #1 had numerous plumbing leaks. Tub drain was not installed correctly and it leaked onto the laminate floor which ruined it. I spent 1/4 of my summer repairing this issue and I am now vigilant about looking for delamination due to water damage....check carefully for soft spots in flooring!

If you buy a used camper, TEST EVERY FEATURE and don't use the excuse of no "power" at storage site to test the electrical stuff such as 110V fridge, power converter, and a/c. Fill tanks with water to test all plumbing for leaks, to test water pump, and to ensure that all tanks can hold water at full capacity and nothing leaks. You don't want to go out on your first camping trip to find out your heater doesn't work or your hot water heater won't ignite due to a faulty circuit board or defective ignitor, or your fridge is broken. I have 2 equalizer hitches and brought and installed it when I test drove my last trailer to see how well it did. A test drive is very important to ensure you are comfortable towing it with your vehicle and to ensure that the brakes work. Take it out on the highway to 65mph to get a feel ho it dos on the highway! Put a flat palm against wheels to check for excessive heat from bad bearings or brakes. I like the new easy grease hubs and will never go back to hand packing wheel bearings.

Good luck and let us know what you purchase!

BTW, if you don't have an onboard generator and don't wish to purchase a very expensive Onan onboard, we have had a great experience with our portable 3,000 watt Boliy inverter generator. I put 200-300 hours on mine each year and ours is running strong after 4 years! I change the oil after a week's use (50-75 hours depending on whether we use a/c or run for fridge to save propane to run heat at night). I t is fairly quiet and works well. I powers an air conditioner just fine as long as it isn't on econ mode when you start the a/c.
 
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Agree with everything "Drewd" said.
Saying that tread carefully with this website. Trust me if you are patient you can find gems here, but they will not let you do much to it before you buy.
http://www.crankyape.com/default.asp?pg=DisItems&Cat=6

I know that there is not a location close to you but for the right price any problem can be fixed. I have bought several items from here, knowing that there will be some small issues and all have worked out great, but patients is the key and buy it for the right price.
 
New campers can have problems too, all campers need looked over good before purchased.
I personally would look for the biggest fresh and waste tanks you can find. It sucks having to add water from jugs to the tank because you ran out, or having to leave early because your waste tanks filled.
 
You know what I like to see? Brand new campers being pulled down the interstate in the middle of winter and covered in salt and road grime. I bet those will never have any wiring or corrosion problems 5 years down the road. If I was getting a new fifth wheel, I would want to know when it was delivered to the dealer. If it wasn't delivered between spring and fall, I wouldn't buy it.
 
I would agree with everything that was said above, including problems with new and used. If you go used (from a private party) I guess looking them over and checking things out as good as you possibly can is about the only thing you can do. I've seen people do some pretty bad things to their rvs, and often wonder how they could possible expect them to still be in one piece when they arrive at their destination. If you go to a dealer find a good one and yes there are good ones and some not so good. Just as there are good snowmobile dealers and some to stay away from. The service you receive after your purchase could be very important. I guess one brand of rv I've been somewhat impressed with (especially if your considering using it in the winter) is the arctic fox. We have a pickup camper and it seems to be a fairly well built unit and handles cold weather much better than our camp trailer. Good luck with your purchase and have fun.
 
Wow, you guys are scaring the shiot out of me on this. But I guess deep down I really knew all of this was a reality. I was just hoping someone would say that brand X was awesome and a good brand to go used on. The main reason I don't want to go new is that the price means I couldn't sell it for 5-6 years w/o losing my arse. It seems the new campers don't have very good warranties either. One year seems to be the most you get. That's not much when you are spending $40k+.

I'd love to hear any good brands that held up over time.
 
I wish we could give you a simple question to what initially appears to be a simple question.

Jayo trailers have a very loyal following but a new one I looked at owned by a neighbor had a build and interior finish much worse than my 09 Trailcruiser.

Older Fleetwood trailers seem to be built fairly stout but are heavy.
http://denver.craigslist.org/rvd/4844327697.html <--I'd offer 22k firm for this one. YOu can always argue that Fleedwood is out of business and no factory support ;-)

Artic Fox/Nash is also a pretty reliable brand but heavy.

Sunnybrook models seem to have positive reviews too!

Yes, new campers can also have problems but at lease you have a warranty to fall back one provided your dealer has a good reputation.

There are great new deals to be had from midwest dealerships. I would never buy new anything in Colorado whether it be a truck or trailer. Colorado seems to be overpriced for such purchases.
 
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Wow, you guys are scaring the shiot out of me on this. But I guess deep down I really knew all of this was a reality. I was just hoping someone would say that brand X was awesome and a good brand to go used on. The main reason I don't want to go new is that the price means I couldn't sell it for 5-6 years w/o losing my arse. It seems the new campers don't have very good warranties either. One year seems to be the most you get. That's not much when you are spending $40k+.

I'd love to hear any good brands that held up over time.

This is a good thread, I am thinking I will be in the market for a used 5th wheel camper or toy hauler this summer as well.

And yeah I'm sort of scared about the prospect now hahaha.

But I refuse to pay $50k+ for a new one given how quickly they depreciate ..... just a waste of money IMO.
 
We bought a used camper off of CL - we looked at probably 5-6 before buying, usually I could tell before we even got out of the truck that I didn't want to continue the discussion on several of them... We ended up getting a bumper pull so that we could still put an ATV in the pickup bed. (or firewood, coolers, generators gas, etc.)

There seem to be issues with all of them - used and new. Try to make sure the major items work (as mentioned above). We have had great luck with ours (almost 7 years now) and I would not hesitate to buy used again. We have friends that bought a brand new tricked out Voltage triple axle toy hauler and it has been back to the dealer twice for warranty items, so the new ones are by no means maintenance/issue free.
 
I would definitely try to buy a brand that has been around for quite a few years. Seen a lot of people that bought brands that are no longer in business and they can't get parts anymore.
 
Sad to hear these things are still so junky after all these years. The basics haven't changed much over since the beginning of time - sad they still haven't figured out how to build a quality one. I'd like to replace my 80's retro truck camper in the next couple years, but sounds like a trailer-camper with more features will add a ton of maintenance to my life!
 
I wish we could give you a simple question to what initially appears to be a simple question.

Jayo trailers have a very loyal following but a new one I looked at owned by a neighbor had a build and interior finish much worse than my 09 Trailcruiser.

Older Fleetwood trailers seem to be built fairly stout but are heavy.
http://denver.craigslist.org/rvd/4844327697.html <--I'd offer 22k firm for this one. YOu can always argue that Fleedwood is out of business and no factory support ;-)

Artic Fox/Nash is also a pretty reliable brand but heavy.

Sunnybrook models seem to have positive reviews too!

Yes, new campers can also have problems but at lease you have a warranty to fall back one provided your dealer has a good reputation.

There are great new deals to be had from midwest dealerships. I would never buy new anything in Colorado whether it be a truck or trailer. Colorado seems to be overpriced for such purchases.




I'll second the midwest dealers over the Colorado dealers.
I was looking for used only until I stumbled upon a dealer in Nebraska that gave a deal on a new unit that I could not walk away from.
 
It seems a new camper is not in the works for me. Either you pay $50k+ (I don't want the debt to income) or you buy a cheap brand new camper that doesn't hold up and still spend $40k+.

I'm still leaning for used. Buying a brand still in business is good advise that I didn't think about. Here's a few more questions...

- How tough is it to do leak repairs on the fiberglass style bodies?
- What's the best method to determine if the chassis is straight?
- What's the best method to determine if the axles are good?
- Any good tests on furnace and fridge other than if they come on and work?
- What about checking holding tanks?

Seemed like Arctic Fox, Ceder Creek and Montana are good campers. What about Keystone? Seems you can get a whole variety of Keystone campers. Only camper I had was a brand new Lance 861 that was loaded out. Good camper and I still had a few issues with it.
 
- How tough is it to do leak repairs on the fiberglass style bodies?

Depends on where the leak and what is causing it -usually roof related but sometimes on corners, windows, and slide-outs. Tracking down source can be problematic. All my campers have had rubber roofs and its fairly easy to seal up. Some roofs are fiberglass and fiberglass patch repairs easy to do as long as you are patient. Biggest and worst case issue with campers is delamination of the composite side panels-usually caused by moisture that gets into the wall...figuring out where the leak is that did this is the hard part. Leaks could be something as simple as needing caulk on a window frame or a front cap that leaks from a poorly fitting seam or in wall plumbing. I personally think the worst leaks are the ones that are unseen and visible external damage has not yet occurred. A leaking pex fitting or drain can ruin your day. Delamination is a very bad sign and can total an RV...some have fixed it with drilling holes applying epoxy and lots of pressure to the delaminated areas on the panels.


- What's the best method to determine if the chassis is straight? Take multiple measurements I guess is the best way and then look for obvious such as unusual/uneven wheel wear and handling when towing. Measure center cap distance between axle tires on each side and distances from front of camper frame to each wheel center and be concerned if distances don't match opposite sides. Check to ensure "squat" on suspension is equal. Look at interior walls for wrinkling or something as simple as cracks in the shower surround which may indicate stress to the rv structure. Crawl under trailer and inspect. A badly rusted frame indicates the foundation that supports the camper may not be sound and may give way at some time in the future. Check for broken welds, cracks, or impact damage...if found look elsewhere. Also, if a window was left open when towing, you may have structural damage to that window area. Ensure all windows open/close easily. My camper has a tweaked wall panel cuz wife forget to close window before we towed camper.


What's the best method to determine if the axles are good? Jack up tire and spin axles-they should spin freely and with no grinding or weird feelings., grip tires at 9 and 3pm and wiggle back and forth, do same for 12/6pm grips, test drive and immediately stop and measure temps at each axle with IR gauge or back of palm. Heat is probably best indicator of bad or poorly lubricated axles. Also as always check for unusual tire wear.


- Any good tests on furnace and fridge other than if they come on and work? Have seller plug in fridge overnight and then check how cold it is. Shut off electricity and see if automatically switches over to natural gas without an error light on the fridge panel. I got stuck once with a bad camper fridge and that was expensive to replace. Long term test is essential but a pain....fridge may work and come on but what is thermostat doesn't work and food gets too cold and freezes or stays too warm? Lots of variables and some larger fridges in a 5th wheel can cost up to 2 grand!

- What about checking holding tanks? Fill em up completely. Check under camper for unusual sagging, leaks, an don't forget to check that the level gauges work. Make sure tank drain valves don't leak-ugly/messy/stinky when you remove the drain cap to be grated with black or grey water that leaked past a "closed" blade valve. Check for damage to all plumbing....most Colorado campers who boondock camp have lift kits so our plumbing doesn't scrape when we are towing off-road.

Seemed like Arctic Fox, Ceder Creek and Montana are good campers. What about Keystone? Seems you can get a whole variety of Keystone campers. Only camper I had was a brand new Lance 861 that was loaded out. Good camper and I still had a few issues with it. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/keystone-rv Not quite as problematic as Forest River products but still plenty of complaints on them. I would rate Keystone higher than most Forest River products..btw, Montana made by Keystone. I wouldn't hesitate buying a used Keystone.

Don't forget to test the hot water heater too!

Good luck. What did you think of the craigslist link to that particular 5th wheel I posted.

Biggest problem I think with new trailer construction for most models is that employees are paid by the unit and not by the hour. This often forces them to cut corners and rush a build so they can get paid more.
 
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I would definitely try to buy a brand that has been around for quite a few years. Seen a lot of people that bought brands that are no longer in business and they can't get parts anymore.

I wouldn't worry about this being an issue. Most "parts" are common to all trailers and replaceable with time and $$....example Lippert or Dexter axles, many manufacturer of aftermarket or OEM brakes, appliances are either atwood, dometic, or suburban, etc..etc.. With that said, I am bummed because I need a new fiberglass battery/tank cover that is unique to my camper but can't get one cuz RV-vision is out of business....I'll have one fabricated from diamond plate to replace it.
 
On fifth wheels look at all the panels above and around pin box for odd gaps, cracks, or wrinkles. That could indicate a problem in the frame above the pin box.
The condition of any camper with a few years on it is more determined by how well it was taken care of than its original build quality.
Your nose will also tell you if there is hidden Problems. If you smell that "old camper funk" when you are inside there is probably water damage somewhere.
 
I wouldn't worry about this being an issue. Most "parts" are common to all trailers and replaceable with time and $$....example Lippert or Dexter axles, many manufacturer of aftermarket or OEM brakes, appliances are either atwood, dometic, or suburban, etc..etc.. With that said, I am bummed because I need a new fiberglass battery/tank cover that is unique to my camper but can't get one cuz RV-vision is out of business....I'll have one fabricated from diamond plate to replace it.

I agree stuff like the running gear and appliances are replaceable. One that came to mind was one of my friends had a tire blow out that did damage to a slide-out and the exterior of the camper around the wheel well. About $4000 damage. He had insurance, but it took over 6 months for it to be fixed because the company that made it was out of business and they had to try to source parts for it. The outer fender trim piece still doesn't look right because they had to use something that was close.
 
On fifth wheels look at all the panels above and around pin box for odd gaps, cracks, or wrinkles. That could indicate a problem in the frame above the pin box.
The condition of any camper with a few years on it is more determined by how well it was taken care of than its original build quality.
Your nose will also tell you if there is hidden Problems. If you smell that "old camper funk" when you are inside there is probably water damage somewhere.

uhhh...sorry, but "pin box"?

What did you think of the craigslist link to that particular 5th wheel I posted.

Super nice, but a little outta my range and a little long. I'd like to find something around 30' as the additional size isn't really do much other than making the camper longer. I'll pay more if I find that I can't find the deal below $20k.
 
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