I have someone interested in buying my sled and is across the border in Canada. Do you need a passport to get in or out? He was wondering if I could bring it past the border so we don't have to do all the paperwork. What will I need to get in and out of Canada and anything with the sled, do I just take the title and he has to deal with the rest when switching the title? Thanks.
Selling sled and taking it across border NEED HELP
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Yes you will need a passport..
When I came across the last time they were sitting in front of puter reading Snowest Swapmeet. They know what's going on !!!!
Take noobs advise !!!!!!!!!
I called the border patrol station and he said I will need to fax a copy of the title 72 hours in advance if I am selling it to someone there and I will need proof of citizenship of the US to get back to the US. Getting in to Canada nothing. He said minumum a drivers license and bring a birth certificate just in case. Now what I am wondering is if I sell it there and meet him say 20 miles past the border if I have to pay anything for selling the sled up there at the border. Please help.
I just sold my sled to a guy from Canada, I faxed him a copy of the title, and my contact info along with bill of sale and he filled out the form and faxed it in to the border patrol, he also called and talked with them. Said he was very polite with them and asked if they could expedite things and they did, actually only took them about 24 hours. Also border patrol told me I would need drivers license and birth certificate to cross and come back.
I would recommend doing the paperwork, probably saves alot of hassle down the line.
I would recommend doing the paperwork, probably saves alot of hassle down the line.
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Don't Do It
You had better listen to what noob said spmatt. Why do you suppose the buyer wants you to bring it across for him/her. I just brought a sled across from Washington into British Columbia 1 week ago and it's not that difficult to do. Just don't try to BS the border guys cause they are doing exactly what hemi said. They have the same access to this website as you and I and believe it they are on here. Don't do it man.
Are you doing this all above board? If so maybe it is do-able. I just assumed that the person wants you to bring it over for them so they get away from the paperwork and paying the taxes.
You had better listen to what noob said spmatt. Why do you suppose the buyer wants you to bring it across for him/her. I just brought a sled across from Washington into British Columbia 1 week ago and it's not that difficult to do. Just don't try to BS the border guys cause they are doing exactly what hemi said. They have the same access to this website as you and I and believe it they are on here. Don't do it man.
Are you doing this all above board? If so maybe it is do-able. I just assumed that the person wants you to bring it over for them so they get away from the paperwork and paying the taxes.
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So there is taxes at the border. If I have all the paperwork sent to them saying I'm selling it to someone in Canada and meeting him past the border is there still a tax for him? Or do I have to pay that. He said he bought one at the border last year and wants me to bring it past the border this year so he doesn't have to pay taxes and fees. I also don't want to get stuck with that. What is the big deal at the border? Why can't we all just get along.
matt, here's the deal. You won't have to pay any taxes or fees. the buyer is the one responsible for this. Basically if you happen to get lucky and get past the border with the sled, and sell it to this guy and word leaks out or they find out, you'll wish you ahd never done it. Do not put yourself at risk to help the buyer save on a few bucks for taxes. what you need to do exactly is fax the buyer a copy of the front and back side of your title showing clear and no liens. You also need to fax him a copy of the bill of sale. obviously the buyer is trying to get out of taxes and could ask you to make the bill of sale for lower then what you are selling to him. If you do this and the border catches you, you will prob be fined and lose the sled and possible truck impoundment and you will get a record. You do not want this. What I have found when you are dealing with the border is be up front and honest with them, and they will treat you as such and help you out. If you want to do this right, do it this way. If you dont' want to do it right and take a chance, keep asking questions and different ways to get around this. taking that sled 20 minutes past the border ain't no different than taking it 1 minute or 10 hours. I don't mean to be harsh, but the amount of questions on this subject is too much. I've imported over 60 snowmobiles in the last 3 months, and have done everyone of them in the proper way. we have had zero issues. Hope this helps. ryan
Trust me You dont want the Customs people on YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I know that, I want to do everything right, It doesn't matter to me how much he has to pay and whatever fees, I'm just looking to sell my sled and I don't want to BS the border patrol or anything to get myself in trouble selling the sled isn't worth that. So I can fax the buyer a copy of title and he signs it and faxes to customs? Sorry for all the ?'s but I want to do this right, and if it takes a little more for me to do it correctly and sell my sled I guess I'll do it as long as it doesn't cost me. Thanks for the help.
taxes?
If you bring a sled in to Alberta, there is no taxes on a used sled. Just border fees, 72 hour notice and a bunch of paper work. If you bring the sled across the paperwork can be done later and there is no 72 hour wait. Just make sure your honest with the border guys and tell them what your doing. It's not illegal to sell a sled into Canada nor is it illegal to bring one back. Just need the proper documents.
If you bring a sled in to Alberta, there is no taxes on a used sled. Just border fees, 72 hour notice and a bunch of paper work. If you bring the sled across the paperwork can be done later and there is no 72 hour wait. Just make sure your honest with the border guys and tell them what your doing. It's not illegal to sell a sled into Canada nor is it illegal to bring one back. Just need the proper documents.
You better recheck what you just said there. ANYTHING that is brought into Canada period has gst due on it. Used, new, broken, whatever. there have been times where people claim the item as a gift and get away with it, but reality is even then there should be gst paid. the only time there isnt gst due is when you have stayed more then a period of 24 hours in the u.s. I feel like i could work at customs, I've done this so much. Markoo, if you doubt this, give the ol customs a call and ask them if you can do what you just claimed. report back to us and let us know what they say.
Matt, here is the correct thing to do exactly. Fax a copy of the title front and back side, and leave the back side of the title blank and let the buyer fill that info in. the reason you leave this blank on the original is that if by chance he backs out, your not committed on your title. then send him a bill of sale. when he recieves these papers, he needs to fax them to whitlash (it's the main port that takes care of all the paperwork for exporting sleds) and give them 72 hours. after the 72 hours, he then can meet you, pick the sled up and do whatever he needs to. if you want the phone and fax numbers for the border crossing, pm and I'll send you all the info for ya. just play it right, and it will go good.
If your delivering it to BC the border crossing won't be whitlash, it will be Blaine in Western washington and I not sure what it is for Eastern Washington. And if the guy is in BC he will have to pay both PST and GST
That should be 5% for the gangster sales tax (gst)
Since your selling it, you just better off to do it right. But the thing is, you easily could do that, and once your back in the US, there isn't a thing the canadian border can do. When leaving US, there is nothing, entering canada with the sled is no problem (say your going sledding), then returning you only go to US and you won't have any problems. The 2 border sides do not communicate at all, and unless your on their soil, they can't do anything. I wouldn't risk it, but TONS of people do it, and unless your really dumb about it, you wouldn't have a issue.
I haven't had a single good border experience. The US side has always been *******s to me for no reason, and act like they are so much better then you and like they don't even want you in their country. And being 100% honest about everything, has ended up backfiring every frigging time.
I haven't had a single good border experience. The US side has always been *******s to me for no reason, and act like they are so much better then you and like they don't even want you in their country. And being 100% honest about everything, has ended up backfiring every frigging time.
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Both sides of the border communicate everytime you go across the border. They know stuff about you that even you don't know about yourself.lol Too many people don't find out proper procedures for crossing the borders and it can bite you in the can very hard.
It is not your responsibilty to give the US side the sled info. It is the buyers responsibility. the title needs to be faxed to the border crossing that is being used 72 hrs. prior. Then show up with the sled and title, title gets stamped, then he is on his way. No muss, no fuss, no fees. But, if whomever gets caught illegally exporting or importing, grounds for the sled to get seized and that person fined. Just have him come to the US side and buy it. Then it is out of your hands completely.
And yes, both side communicate with each other all the time.
And yes, both side communicate with each other all the time.
Lots of good, and bad info in here. I've imported 2 sleds from the US in the last 4 months. Here's the process:
How to import a snowmobile:
1. Get the owner to fax you a copy of their registration/title/certificate of origin and bill of sale. Fax that to the border no less than 72 hours before you plan to take it across. You want to make sure the sled has no liens on it prior to doing this.
2. Phone the manufacturer of sled you're buying and get them to give you a recall clearance letter. You will need to supply the VIN, and possibly the bill of sale. They will check to see if all recalls were done. If they are not done get the owner of the sled to do them, they are free for them usually. DO NOT buy a sled if all recalls are not done, you may not be able to get them done free in Canada. Ideally, get the current owner to have them done in the US. Once the owner gets them done, phone the manufacturer again and get them to give you an updated clearance letter.
3. When you come back across, stop at the US side and go inside the public entrance. Ask for an officer to check the sled out and make sure the VIN is there and they will stamp the title/certificate of origin/registration. They typically don’t even look at the sled, just the paperwork you provide.
4. Take the title/certificate of origin/registration and bill of sale along with any other proof of purchase you have to the CDN side. They will get you to pull over and go inside.
5. Go inside and pay GST on the purchase price. You will need the title/certificate of origin/registration and bill of sale, the date of manufacture (off the side of the tunnel) and whatever other proof you have of the sale price. They give you a Form 1 and they fill it out. They fax a copy of it to RIV. You have 45 days to get the sled approved for import from this time on.
5. Pay the RIV fee @ www.riv.ca ($205) as soon as you get home.
6. Fax the recall clearance to RIV with your reference # from your form 1 and your online payment reference #.
7. Phone RIV 48 hours later and give them your case number which will be in red at the top of your Form 1. Get them to confirm that they have the copy of the Form 1 sent from the border, the payment you made and the recall clearance. They will mail you a Form 2 or you can get them to email it to you. Email is much faster but dealing with them is like pulling teeth.
8. Take the Form 2 to Canadian Tire or any other approved outlet. At the Auto Service desk, tell them you have a sled you need them to fill the Form 2 out for. They verify the VIN and model number. Then they get you to start the sled to make sure the kill switch works and check for reflectors.
9. Go register the sled with your completed Form 1, Form 2, bill of sale and title. You pay the PST and you're done.
Important contact information:
US Customs Fax number for Emerson crossing: (701) 825-6567
US Customs Contact number for Emerson crossing: (701) 825-6551
RIV Fax number: (416) 626-0366
RIV Contact: 1-888-848-8240
Polaris customer care: (763) 417-8650
Arctic Cat USA: 218-681-9851
Arctic Cat Winnipeg Office: 982-1772 (forwards to 986-1656)
Arctic Cat Winnipeg Recall Letter Request Line: 204-832-0205
How to import a snowmobile:
1. Get the owner to fax you a copy of their registration/title/certificate of origin and bill of sale. Fax that to the border no less than 72 hours before you plan to take it across. You want to make sure the sled has no liens on it prior to doing this.
2. Phone the manufacturer of sled you're buying and get them to give you a recall clearance letter. You will need to supply the VIN, and possibly the bill of sale. They will check to see if all recalls were done. If they are not done get the owner of the sled to do them, they are free for them usually. DO NOT buy a sled if all recalls are not done, you may not be able to get them done free in Canada. Ideally, get the current owner to have them done in the US. Once the owner gets them done, phone the manufacturer again and get them to give you an updated clearance letter.
3. When you come back across, stop at the US side and go inside the public entrance. Ask for an officer to check the sled out and make sure the VIN is there and they will stamp the title/certificate of origin/registration. They typically don’t even look at the sled, just the paperwork you provide.
4. Take the title/certificate of origin/registration and bill of sale along with any other proof of purchase you have to the CDN side. They will get you to pull over and go inside.
5. Go inside and pay GST on the purchase price. You will need the title/certificate of origin/registration and bill of sale, the date of manufacture (off the side of the tunnel) and whatever other proof you have of the sale price. They give you a Form 1 and they fill it out. They fax a copy of it to RIV. You have 45 days to get the sled approved for import from this time on.
5. Pay the RIV fee @ www.riv.ca ($205) as soon as you get home.
6. Fax the recall clearance to RIV with your reference # from your form 1 and your online payment reference #.
7. Phone RIV 48 hours later and give them your case number which will be in red at the top of your Form 1. Get them to confirm that they have the copy of the Form 1 sent from the border, the payment you made and the recall clearance. They will mail you a Form 2 or you can get them to email it to you. Email is much faster but dealing with them is like pulling teeth.
8. Take the Form 2 to Canadian Tire or any other approved outlet. At the Auto Service desk, tell them you have a sled you need them to fill the Form 2 out for. They verify the VIN and model number. Then they get you to start the sled to make sure the kill switch works and check for reflectors.
9. Go register the sled with your completed Form 1, Form 2, bill of sale and title. You pay the PST and you're done.
Important contact information:
US Customs Fax number for Emerson crossing: (701) 825-6567
US Customs Contact number for Emerson crossing: (701) 825-6551
RIV Fax number: (416) 626-0366
RIV Contact: 1-888-848-8240
Polaris customer care: (763) 417-8650
Arctic Cat USA: 218-681-9851
Arctic Cat Winnipeg Office: 982-1772 (forwards to 986-1656)
Arctic Cat Winnipeg Recall Letter Request Line: 204-832-0205
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