Selling a sled as "Stock" after a Turbo is removed

[Timbre]

Ok, so I realize this may be a controversial subject, but I believe it might provide for at least a colorful conversation 

So, if a person runs a sled with a turbo on it for period of time – one winter, two winters, or longer – then removes the turbo to sell it as “stock”, and does not disclose this to a potential buyer, is that dishonest?

I know if I was buying a used sled, I would DEFINITELY like to know if it had been turboed, and would feel like the seller was being dishonest if that fact was not disclosed.

Do turbos put more stress and wear & tear on an engine, track, bearings . .etc? If so, does one have the right to know these things up front so they can make an educated decision?

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[RACINSTATION]

First, my thoughts are a used sled is a used sled. You have to do some work on your end as the buyer to check things over. Second, I think it should always be disclosed that the sled was turbocharged and then put back to stock. Honesty is black and white. Don't ask, don't tell is not always honest.

In some cases the turbo is better for the motor, and in some it is worse.

My final thoughts on this are to buy the sled from someone you know, someone you trust, or a dealer. There are other signs that would allow you to have confidence in buying.....like a guy that has every service record and receipt since day one. This way if there is some gray area you can have some recourse. Also, if the sled is listed as with warranty, simply call a dealer of that brand and have them run the VIN number to confirm. It's pretty easy.

 

[89sandman]

I look at it this way why would they not want to disclose it had a turbo on it if it didn't cause undo wear and tear on the engine and drivetrain? Because it does, I know I would not want to buy any sled that had ever had a turbo on it.

 

[RACINSTATION]

Agreed.

I would say make sure and ask all the questions you want answers to. Write them down.

Also, most of the time you can tell if has had a turbo on it.

 

[Timbre]

Seems like it is the deception involved in trying to hide or omit the fact that it has been boosted, that is the most disturbing. If it is fully disclosed, then one can make an educated decision before making a purchase. I for one, would not buy a previously boosted sled unless the price was FAR lower than a true "stock" sled. Boost is FUN, but it does come with a price.

 

[MrIQR]

It's the buyers responsibility to do the investigation and ask the questions.

If the questions weren't asked then the information wasn't withheld IMO.

 

[DUKHTR3]

Is it right? No. Does it happen all the time? Yes. No different then a diesel truck that supposedly hasn't been tuned. If u are buying from someone on the forum it's pretty easy to go look at previous posts.

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[nobozos]

If the seller has any integrity it would be posted in the for sale ad. Seems to some money is more important, which is a sad thing.

 

[Timbre]

It's the buyers responsibility to do the investigation and ask the questions.

If the questions weren't asked then the information wasn't withheld IMO.

What if the buyer doesnt know the right questions to ask? Some are just getting into the sport so might easily deceived by someone being a bit shady.

Is there a difference between lying by omission and just plain lying? Something to ponder . . .

 

[RACINSTATION]

No pondering required. You know if you are lying or not.

If you forget to tell the guy that you replaced one of the idler wheels last year that is omission. If you don't tell him it was totaled in an avalanche and then rebuilt.......

That is why as stated above, I think a new rider should get help or buy from a friend or a dealer. A guy on Craigslist wants to get rid of the sled ASAP so he can get his new snowcheck. A dealer or a friend will be there next week when you find out that the Ski Doo Elan is NOT the leading backcountry sled in the country.

 

[rulonjj]

It is definitely up to the seller to give a potential buyer a full history of the sled. Anything less would be dishonest.

 

[89sandman]

A dealer or a friend will be there next week when you find out that the Ski Doo Elan is NOT the leading backcountry sled in the country.

WHAT??? The guy that just sold me my Elan told me I'd be in a league all my own on the mountain

 

[icr]

WHAT??? The guy that just sold me my Elan told me I'd be in a league all my own on the mountain

You would have been if he had left the turbo on

 

[goridedoo]

I dont think I EVER recall seeing a sled ad saying that the sled had previously been turboed, and I have seen alot of used turbo kits for sale.

 

[POLZIN]

Id have to be honest and tell a potential buyer if that was the case.

 

[colorado logger]

Not sure

Here is my proplem, I traded sleds with my wife. Her sled was the 2010 m8 and mine 2009 m8 pump gas. I sold the the turbo in a box. Long story short her sled is now the 09. And I have real nice low mile 2010. I haven't disclosed the trade to her. True story! I don't feel dishonest.

 

[Drewd]

Here is my proplem, I traded sleds with my wife. Her sled was the 2010 m8 and mine 2009 m8 pump gas. I sold the the turbo in a box. Long story short her sled is now the 09. And I have real nice low mile 2010. I haven't disclosed the trade to her. True story! I don't feel dishonest.

As long as it is the same color you're ok. Ask most females what brand/model/year car they drive and most likely you'll get "a red one".

How far do you go with disclosure?? Do you tell a person your stock non-turbo sled spent 99% of its time at redline or was it a trail sled ridden barely above clutch engagement speed <-- true about my wife's sled.

Do you tell the buyer you used Walmart Supertech oil the entire time because you knew you were selling your sled at the end of the season?

I'm of the opinion that its the buyers responsibility to ask and it is my responsibility as a seller to truthfully answer questions.

I'd be ok with buying a sled that was turbo'd as long as compression was good and it checked out.

Sold a Jeep a couple of months ago and told the buyer that I would answer all questions truthfully. He only asked if I would take $6k for it and I said yes. Hopefully the bondo on the junkyard door won't chip off anytime soon but I don't really care.

BTW, I was a sucker on buying my first 2 sleds. I bought 136" tracked '99/00 RMK 700/600 sleds each with 2" lugs. Was told that was all you needed and the 2" lugs would get you thru the snow. I didn't know anything and found out on our first ride that they sucked off trail unless your forward (not track speed) was over 45mph. Fortunately, both were later sold to icefishermen who needed fast trail sleds to get them to their fishing spots. I never mentioned that I used Supertech 2 stroke oil in both sleds for 2 seasons.

 

[Dirty Steve]

It really shouldn't matter if the compression is good and the sled was properly maintained. What if it was a bone stock sled owned by a guy like me who is stuck 75% of the time vs a stocker ridden by someone with talent who ran it W.F.O. 75% of the time? Which sled sees more "wear" a gently ridden pump gas turbo or a wrung out stocker?

I think it should be disclosed, but a compression check and a thorough inspection of the rest of the sled should tell the tale.

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[Coldfinger]

WHAT??? The guy that just sold me my Elan told me I'd be in a league all my own on the mountain

Probably accurate, but which league?

I believe in full disclosure by the seller.

 

[mtncat1]

this thread reminds me of a couple of years ago when i saw dan gardener's bone stock pro on ksl ,very gentility used