SCAM sellers beware!

[Calvin42]

Anyone selling their sled or high dollar merchandise on here be careful. Had some one that was interested in my sled and was going to send a check but didn't ask many questions, had very broken english in the way they wrote and no name just some b.s. e-mail address. I emailed the person back at the email they provided and had ask for more info like name, phone numer, snowest name and no response. Just be careful. A lot of crooks out there try to steal your money.

 

[mikew5945]

Here is what happens when you cash their check.

They get your routing number and account number. They then go into your account and empty it. If it is a checking account they over draw it. Then they use your name and or account number to send the next sucker a check. I found all this out by checking up on someone who wanted to buy my truck for his wife. The check was written on a business account from back east. I called the company and was the second person to call that day. If they can't speak and write English run like HE!!.

 

[backcountryislife]

Here is what happens when you cash their check.

They get your routing number and account number. They then go into your account and empty it.

How would they have any more access than anyone else that writes you a check? By your logic anyone who ever writes a check to you could empty your account.


As one who plays with these 419 tards whenever I get a chance, that's not how it works & that's not what happens.

check it out.
http://www.419eater.com/

Next time have some fun with them, and remember every minute you waste of theirs is a minute they don't get to spend preying on people that don't have the common sense that we may have.

 

[sled-fiend]

check it out.
http://www.419eater.com/
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Lol been a fan of that site for years, easy to get caught up for a few hours reading the stories. Some funny c h i t in there! I welcome the scam emails now

 

[mikew5945]

How would they have any more access than anyone else that writes you a check? By your logic anyone who ever writes a check to you could empty your account.


As one who plays with these 419 tards whenever I get a chance, that's not how it works & that's not what happens.

check it out.
http://www.419eater.com/

Next time have some fun with them, and remember every minute you waste of theirs is a minute they don't get to spend preying on people that don't have the common sense that we may have.

There you go. He opens his mouth because he read it on the internet. Cash a check and see who the TARD is.

The check sent had an account from Texas. I called the bank and had a lengthy conversation with them. I then had a conversation with the company from Philly. Then the FBI called and had a lengthy conversation with me. I can safely say you are once again full of chit.

Prove me wrong and go play. I am not picking a fight with you just telling you what is happening according to people smarter then you.

Who posted your web sight?

 

[backcountryislife]

then explain how it works. Scams are nothing new, but what you're saying isn't like anything I've heard, and doesn't make sense to me at all. If this really is how it works, take a couple seconds & explain.


who posted your website??? huh? It's not MY website, and I don't KNOW IT CAUSE I SAW IT ON THE INTERWEBZ, I know what a 419 or nigerian scam is because they're real, I can explain why they work, and how they work.

So, how is it that they have any more access to your account than anyone else who writes you a check, there must be more to this than we're hearing? I tried to offer some info & a website that could help people understand a particular type of scam, how about do the same if this is something different, otherwise nobody should ever take a check from anyone. (and broken english is a poor metric for deciding who to do business with, hell, that's 60% of the people in Denver!!! )

 

[Skogen]

There are many ways they are scaming people. Mostly it is in the collection of valid information or of the trading of money.

As far as checks, they are easily reproduced. Give them valid information ie: birthday, social security number, account number, address ect. And they can virtually do just about anything from create fake checks, to sign you up for a credit card without your knowing.

There are many various types. I received a "private" call the other day, and got a automated response when i answered the call. It was saying there was a problem with my debt card, and was asking for me to pin in my account number and 4 diget pin. BANKS do not do that. Sadly quite a few people fall for it. Especially the elderly.

I had a customer come into my office last year with a check for $50,000. He swore up and down the check was good and that he won a lottery based in Nigeria. Did he ever buy a ticket in Nigeria, NO. Did he even know where Nigeria was, NO... I was called every word in the book when i first refused to draw him a cashiers check to send back with the letter.... It took me 2 hours to talk with him and show him that he was getting scammed. Sadly again, people fall for this.

Anyways, always verify who you talk to, or give information out to...


Brian

 

[Hardass]

I myself would like to hear the rest of the story as well. It seems to me that you are saying cash any ones check and they got you? so how does that work, because i cash checks all the time. Just curious.

 

[Skogen]

Most of the scams where they send you a check require you to mail back funds. The scams can be anything from a false lottery winning, a secret shopper, asking to help transfer funds from nigeria, or a investment proposition.

How it works is they mail you a bad check. In return they are asking for money in return (to cover the so called taxes, transfer fee's, or membership fee's). Their check will be bad. So if you deposit it, the bank should catch it. If you cash it, the bank will be calling you when the check does not clear. Then the check you sent them, well you would be out those funds when they cash it.

The letters I have seen all ask for confidentiality. They all ask you to send XXX amount to them to cover some sort of fee or tax. And ask you to deposit their check last, after everything has been completed.

My advice is to verify everything. If it is fishy and to good to be true, it probably is...

 

[backcountryislife]

Skogen,

what you describe is a standard 419, but what mikeW is talking about is simply receiving a check, then them being able to empty your account.


That in particular, I'm trying to wrap my head around.

The way it sounds, they give you a check (a good check?) then somehow they get access to your account # & routing #, make fake checks, then write them off of your account.

If that was the case, then every person you've EVER written a check to, or who has ever written one to you could do the same. I really would like to understand how this happens.

Anyone who sends you a check would have your address & name, but I can't think of any reason you'd give more info than that to someone buying something from you? Birthday wouldn't be tough to figure out I suppose, I can google & find mine pretty quick, can't think of any reason you'd EVER give out your SS #, pretty much everyone knows better than that these days I'd think, right?

I've been searching & just can't find any decent info on this.

 

[Hardass]

Skogen i understand that one as well but that was not what was being described. It sure is sad that people are so desperate that they would think the scam you describe is real and would actually do something like sending money back to some one. there are a lot of people out there that just plain have a hard time thinking.

 

[backcountryislife]

Soooo, I probably shouldn't give THIS guy my social sec. #????


Thanks for your email, and i will like to make an offer of $1500 , let me know if you accept my offer,I do have a shipper that will come for the pickup once you have provide to me with your PayPal email, it will do for sending the funds.so please get back to me with these information or send me money request through your paypal account so that i can send you the money to your paypal account okay....

1: Your PayPal Email ID.....

2:Your Phone Number......

Regards


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Hello,

Please i will like to know if your AD listed above is still available

Do get back to me as soon as possible.

Regards.

Cause me & "Tessy Johnson [mydaymustcum01@gmail.com]" are about to have some fun!!!!

Got this one just before lunch, should be a good time for a few days.

I should post up a few of the fake checks I've gotten! (yeah, I've got too much time on my hands....)

I'd still like to hear about how this works, if you had a lengthy conversation with the FBI I'd hope you could help us avoid whatever kind of scam this is.

 

[mikew5945]

Skogen,

what you describe is a standard 419, but what mikeW is talking about is simply receiving a check, then them being able to empty your account.


That in particular, I'm trying to wrap my head around.

The way it sounds, they give you a check (a good check?) then somehow they get access to your account # & routing #, make fake checks, then write them off of your account.

If that was the case, then every person you've EVER written a check to, or who has ever written one to you could do the same. I really would like to understand how this happens.

Anyone who sends you a check would have your address & name, but I can't think of any reason you'd give more info than that to someone buying something from you? Birthday wouldn't be tough to figure out I suppose, I can google & find mine pretty quick, can't think of any reason you'd EVER give out your SS #, pretty much everyone knows better than that these days I'd think, right?

I've been searching & just can't find any decent info on this.

Sorry, I didn't think I had to spell it out for you BACKCOUNTRY. SKOGEN understands this subject. Here is what a scammer needs from a player such as yourself.
When you deposit a check into your account a routing number, account number and amount is sent to the bank the check was drawn on. The other bank replies with the money or a NSF. This gives the NSF bank the access to the account asking for the money. The whole system is now numbers. Scammers have gotten into some accounts that let them see and access these numbers. They will then empty your account. They even use routing numbers and accounts from over seas banks in order to gain access to your information a lot easier. Look at it the same as using your debit card. Consider the scammer as the swiping machine. Swipe your card in a machine, add some numbers and BING, the money is gone. Swipe your credit card and BING it is gone. Almost anyone can get into the system with a simple machine. It happens all the time. Give me your routing number with account number and I can write a check on a napkin and it will cash. Your signature can even be Mickey Mouse. Who looks? You may be too young to know what a counter check is. I understand that your world of knowledge is so great that you can leave a bad posting for someone who has dealt with this thing. I put my experience out there for people to consider. You want to convince people that it is OK to play with scammers. That is why I gave you a bad post. You call scammers Tards and joke about thier language skills. They speak your language better then you will ever speak theirs.
This was information from someone who has an 800+ credit score. I work too hard for my money and am not willing to play your games with these people. I am sure that you will still have a problem with this. I say cash a check and wrap your head around that. I learned with out cashing a check because I am cautious and check into everything. I don’t have to wrap my head around things because I deal with and trust professional people. I don’t have time to play.
There are three kinds, responsible people, players and scammers. Which are you?
I put this out there for responsible people so they can be careful and try to be safe, just like CALVIN42 did. There are players out there who are looking for any and all information. Information is power. You have chosen to use this subject different then I do.
You go and play. I will keep what is mine.

 

[backcountryislife]

So, from your description, as I mentioned earlier, ANYONE who ever gets a check from you, or gives you a check, can empty your account.

So you should never write a check to anyone ever again or get a check from anyone again. I'll have to stop getting checks from my renters so they don't steal all my money.

Just because I feel like messing with scammers & taking up their time so they have less to prey on other people doesn't mean anyone else has to, am I somehow forcing you to do the same thing as myself??? no.

Settle down Suzy. You're too busy for yourself!!!

 

[White Rad]

people still write checks? wow

 

[backcountryislife]

btw,

A lot of the scams are checks, some are bogus paypal emails.

in case the language isn't obvious, if you get a paypal receipt, ALWAYS log on to paypal from outside of the receipt email. If your paypal account doesn't show the credit that the receipt does, or if the transfer isn't final... DO NOT SHIP!!!!!!

here's one from this morning...

Dear -----------@gmail.com,

This email confirm that Tessy Johnson has sent you $2,550.00 USD
View the details of this transaction here:



Payment Details

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Transaction ID: 0TR19308DU070732T



Item
Quantity Price Subtotal
2009 Medium Giant Reign fox 36 RC2 dhx 5 air all mtn trail bike

Set $1,500 .00
$1,500.00






Agent Pick Up Fee:
(including western union charges fees)
$1,050.00





Total:
$2,550.00
USD






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This is to inform you that you are required to send a sum of $950.00 USD to the address below via western union money transfer and get back to us with the relevant information which you will be provided with after the money has been sent, you are requested to email us the MTCN(Money Transfer Control Number) , sender's name and address used to make the transfer and the secret question and answer.As soon as we have received these information from you, we will credit a sum of $2,550.00 USD to your PayPal account.Below is the address where the money is to be sent to using western union money transfer.





Agent's Info: Laura Owens
1111 Van Arsdol St
Clarkston, WA.
99403
USA.

Address Status: Confirmed

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Please note:
We wish to inform you that Tessy Johnson has made her intentions known to PayPal that she will like $950.00 USD to be sent to the recipient's address above via Western Union Money Transfer.
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This payment has been deducted from the buyer's account and has been " APPROVED" but will not be credited into your account until the MTCN # is sent to us for verification at our customer care Accountprocess@consultant.com, for more information about this transaction. Below are the relevant information required before your account will be credited:


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All you have to do is to reply directly to this mail with the MTCN #,Secret questions and answers used when sending the money and also with you address. Once it has been verified and the details above sent to us, you will receive a "CONFIRMATION E-mail" from Pay Pal® Service informing you that your account has been credited with $2,550.00 USD.

Please, understand that this is a security measure intended to help protect both the Buyer and the Seller.We apologize for the inconvenience that has caused you.

Because of the inconvenience this causes we are giving you the next two incoming transfers for free! You will pay no fees for your next two incoming transfers*.

PayPal would be responsible for any loss incurred during the course of this transaction.

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[Skogen]

I think the point here is Information is KEY. and to be careful.

Their job is to gather information and to manipulate. That is what they do. From there they use the information gathered to scam you any way they can. Regardless if it is a fraudulent check, your credit card or any other way they do it. This is what they do.. this is their job.

Remember, if you cash one of the bad checks, you are the one liable for it. Not them. How can the bank track down a fake company, fake name, fake routing number and account number. They do not. The person cashing the check is liable.

Also report it when you get something that is fraudulent. You are not their only target. They send out thousands of those requests...

Brian

 

[mikew5945]

Here is another scam. Next time you go to a restaurant and pay with plastic, keep your receipt. When you fill out the tip section, total amount and sign it guess what can happen? Twice we have had the wait staff take more money then what was authorized. One of the two times we involved the cops to get a refund. It is never enough money to get the prosecutor excited but the wife boils over this. She equates it to stealing. Keep your receipts and watch for it to hit your account or CC bill.

 

[White Rad]

Here is another scam. Next time you go to a restaurant and pay with plastic, keep your receipt. When you fill out the tip section, total amount and sign it guess what can happen? Twice we have had the wait staff take more money then what was authorized. One of the two times we involved the cops to get a refund. It is never enough money to get the prosecutor excited but the wife boils over this. She equates it to stealing. Keep your receipts and watch for it to hit your account or CC bill.

now that one i'm familiar with. had a lousy bar tender once that thought they deserved more than a 20% tip so they added a number on the tip line and total and i ended up with a hundred something dollar whiskey coke!!