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Rude Skiers

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stingray719

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Ok, so I always slow to 20mph or slower and get over as far as I can as to not offend the cross country skiers. But it seems like at least half the time they hollar something or wave there skiis at me.

Next time I stop. ENOUGH. :face-icon-small-fro If they wish to "chat" then chat we will. Wanna wave a ski pole? Ok, not sure where that ski poles final resting place will be though.:rolleyes:

WHY with all the wilderness do these skiiers feel the need to ski down a road that is going to have heavy snowmobile traffic? Wait, I think I just answered my own question.

Anybody have a link for cross country skiers? I need to post this there.
 
Get used to it. It's their land and you are trespassing. You have absolutely no right to be there. You and your insignificant little life are meaningless and unimportant to their existence. Next time it happens you are to run your sled off the nearest cliff and get on your knees and polish their boots.
















At least that is how they feel. They are rude, EVERYWHERE!
 
Maybe I understand this, help me if I am wrong. The decent cross country skiiers go to there places to ski. The azzhat ones wanting confrontation ski snowmobile roads to cause crap?

Sound right?
 
Whats really sad about this is we pay all the fees to ride and enjoy the national forest they use them for free and ***** the loudest. Do they realize without us spending money there will be no more trails!!! There I feel better.:cool:
 
Next time they do that, stop and tell them to get the **** off the trail since they never paid a dime to have it groomed in the first place.
 
Let them hit you with a pole. Then park on their skis and beat the f**k outta them with it.
 
It is a bummer when skiers are d!cks. Two way street though....My parents (Canada) let the snowmobile clubs groom trails on their land. My folks x/c ski on the trails (they are in their late 70's) and are sometimes harassed by sledders. They realize how important it is to the local economy thankfully.
 
Funny all the attitudes on both sides.

I ride at an area that has about 8 freeheelers to each sledder & never have any issues. I'm not sure how much of this is because I'm well known there & help people all the time. I don't recognize many of the people, but there have to be regulars that I don't know because they're skiers. I do hear other people whine about confrontation there, but being as how I'm there about 5 times as often as the next guy, it seems to me that a lot of it has to do with their attitudes as much as the skiers.

Most of you guys know where I ride & avoid it because of all the skiers... that's fie with me, never seen a group of SKIERS track the piss out of a whole area in an hour or two!!!!:D

All I care is that the ONE guy who is as regular as me comes up on CC skis (parks in the far lot every time!) and stops every day to talk to us, we talk about avy conditions, all the gapers.... he's awesome, but he won't take a ride up ever! (he skins to the divide every day)

different strokes, don't understand why some people feel the need to be pissy.
 
There is a REAL big problem on RE/Buff with them and the hybrid riders. I have seen many skiers cuss or even throw things at sledders. In all my years riding up there I have never seen a sledder ask for it. We always steer clear of them. When there is room we cut to the opposite side of a meadow, just to go around them. If on a narrow trail, we slow down and cut as far to the opposite side and idle past them. I have even had issues with them way up north in the SLO area. I have only seen one fight though. That skier was lucky. He poked a guy in our group with a pole and made a hole in his coat and even broke the skin. That is a HARD poke. The guy proceeded to pound him. Took his skis and broke his poles. Left the skis out in a meadow in about 4' of fresh snow too. IMO, that skier got what he deserved.
 
If you slow down to 5 MPH they seem to appreciate that. Esp. if they have dogs. I don't see many skiers though, so not a big deal to go out of my way once and awhile. Would get irritating if I had to share the trails with them very much.
 
Bushmaster, if it was a trail or narrow road I do. But a road like at Cottonwood 20mph and over to the side as far as you can go seems more than prudent to me. And yeah I always slow way down when they have dogs.

Didn't even mention that they drove a car over the snow barricade at Avalanch parking lot at Cottonwood and drove up the road to Denny Creek.

Some say it goes both ways, but I have not seen that in decades of riding. Anybody here ever see a snowmobiler (not skier on a sled) start something with slkiers? On the other hand I am getting about 40% skiiers being mouthy or rude gestures.

I still remember riding Yellowstone before the personal snowmobile ban. You could walk into the lodge and the dirty looks would start. Or the time at Ophir Creek when the cross county dude parked his car DIRECTLY behind my trailer so I could not unload. He moved after I "explained" it to him. He knew what he was doing but didn't expect the response he got.

I am all for being good ambassaders for our sport, but I have reached my limit on being the target of azzhat skiiers .
 
Bushmaster, if it was a trail or narrow road I do. But a road like at Cottonwood 20mph and over to the side as far as you can go seems more than prudent to me. And yeah I always slow way down when they have dogs.

Didn't even mention that they drove a car over the snow barricade at Avalanch parking lot at Cottonwood and drove up the road to Denny Creek.

Some say it goes both ways, but I have not seen that in decades of riding. Anybody here ever see a snowmobiler (not skier on a sled) start something with slkiers? On the other hand I am getting about 40% skiiers being mouthy or rude gestures.

I still remember riding Yellowstone before the personal snowmobile ban. You could walk into the lodge and the dirty looks would start. Or the time at Ophir Creek when the cross county dude parked his car DIRECTLY behind my trailer so I could not unload. He moved after I "explained" it to him. He knew what he was doing but didn't expect the response he got.

I am all for being good ambassaders for our sport, but I have reached my limit on being the target of azzhat skiiers .

That is the main reason I avoid trails, same as Bushy, probably. Plus it's way more fun to get where your going picking your way through the thick trees. Very rarely do you ride the trail with either of us. Occasionally, I see a true backcountry skier sliding through the deep but very rarely. They like to stay on the groomed trails that they don't pay for.
 
Some say it goes both ways, but I have not seen that in decades of riding. Anybody here ever see a snowmobiler (not skier on a sled) start something with slkiers? On the other hand I am getting about 40% skiiers being mouthy or rude gestures.

Twice, for me, personally. Once, it seems as though I did not move out of the way fast enough - went about 10' farther before stepping up to the side to get past a big drift, moved, started to wave, angry snowmobiler got on it, then lifted next to me and told me to "get my fat *** out of the way." He proceeded to leave quickly. Smart guy; the adjective may be accurate, but that's one that _really_ ticks me off.

The other time, I was making a traverse out to a road. Down one side, across a flat, slight uphill to the road. Someone on a sled came up the flat section as I was approaching the flat (carrying as much speed as I could). He'd been sitting at the bottom with his friends, do not know for sure if he thought I was going to turn down or not, I was well into the traverse, which, if done correctly, resulted in no walking. He started coming up, I did not stop, he lifted as soon as he realized I was not going to stop, turned around, went down to his sitting-area, called me names from down below.

The first one, the guy was a jerk, plain and simple. Second one, ehh, who knows. He might not have "gotten" what I was trying to do (any skier/snowboarder would have figured it out quickly). I'm not convinced that it was unintentional, not convinced it was intentional. Not sure, does not matter. The name-calling was simply a reflection of their intelligence level - he did not get stuck, nothing bad happened, he and his friends were just losers.

I've also had Subarus park directly behind my trailer & the driver tell me that he fully understood that I'd have to move to reload(IE, not just someone who does not get trailers).

I've had people on quads get b!tchy with me when I point out they're on a two-wheeled-only trail.

I've had hikers yell at me when riding my mountain bike.

The list goes on. There are jerks in every group. Snowmobilers, from my perspective (longtime skier, mountain biker, more recently, say, past seven years, dirt bikes, and sleds for two), snowmobilers are the most polarized bunch I've met - they'll do _anything_ to help another snowmobiler out, but they're (as a group) pretty outspoken about how much everyone else sucks.

Stuff like the deer incident from last year does not help.

Riding around in the little meadow above the upper lot under the powerline at Jones WHEN IT IS CLEARLY MARKED NO SNOWMOBILES really, really, REALLY does not help, even if that no-snowmobile sign were not NEXT TO THE LOT THAT ALL THE SKIERS PARK IN. People! Come ON.

I kinda yelled at one of the Vail Pass rangers a couple of weeks ago. Well, not really _yelled_, but sternly voiced my displeasure. I'm a pretty easy guy to get along with, had read on here that people were getting "crappy attitudes" from the rangers at VP.

Got there, sure enough - moneytaker was a bit of a d-bag, then the parking-ranger parked me _way_ close to the trailer in front of me.

As it turns out, the trailer in front of me was a V-nose & he could ride his sleds out, he'd told the ranger to park me close.

Did Ranger Rick SAY that when I asked if he'd have enough room?

"I've got the parking thing covered" he muttered, started walking away.

Dragged him back (figuratively), told him his attitude sucked & that he might get less negative attitude from the snowmobilers if he were less of a prick. Nice enough guy, ended on a good note, but, well, ehhh, who knows.

It comes from small percentages of _all_ user groups.

Most of the skiers I see when riding my snowmobile are nice, as Kaleb said. I'm not a "regular" there; they just seem to be used to sleds.

Who knows. I'm pretty convinced that there are stupid people everywhere.



Iain
 
Friends had this happen on Cottonwood this past weekend. Friends sleds coming down along with 5 CC Skiers coming down. All over the trail, Sledders slowed down, waved as did 4 of the skiers. But one lady in the group decided to swing her poles. WTF. Cool head prevailed, I think I may have made her two poles into four. Probably has a Subaru with the Coexist(sp) bumper stickers.
 
A couple of weeks ago, just after Christmas, my old neighbor and I rode up to Jackson Bowl and popped over the ridge to ride some untracked stuff. We saw a couple of ski tracks in an open face across the small valley (this was late in the day), and didn't see any activity (people) so we decided to go check that side of the mountain out. Rode the top edge of the face side-hilling it and staying as close to the tree's as possible, and then stopped at the top to see where we're heading next.

As we're sitting there, we saw two back country skiers down in the drainage heading back up, so we decided to stay put until they could come up and passed us since we would have to ride down the same opening in the tree's as they were coming up.

The couple (guy and girl) had a dog, and the girl was leading. About a 100-feet from us I could hear some yelling, and assumed she was yelling at her dog. As she got closer, I could tell that she was pissed, and was yelling at us. As she approached, I said "sorry, if I had known you where still skiing this area, we would have stayed clear of it." She said "bull****, you saw us, and your the problem, blah, blah, blah..." My buddy said "hey is that your name on that tree we saw back there saying this was your mountain?" Well she started rambling on again "this is National Forest, and you have a right to be here, blah, blah, blah..." We wished her a Merry Christmas, and off into the distance she went until we couldn't hear her whining anymore. Then came the guy a couple of minutes later, and again we apologized. His response was "that happens" and he moved on.

The funny thing, we didn't even track up the open face except for the top edge getting across it. ...and guess what, they used sleds to get back to that area because we rode past two parked sleds on the way out.

Last week, went back to the same area after it snowed and tore the crap out of every open spot on that mountain. Even smelled the belt cooking a little, but it was worth it!
 
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Funny all the attitudes on both sides.

I ride at an area that has about 8 freeheelers to each sledder & never have any issues. I'm not sure how much of this is because I'm well known there & help people all the time. I don't recognize many of the people, but there have to be regulars that I don't know because they're skiers. I do hear other people whine about confrontation there, but being as how I'm there about 5 times as often as the next guy, it seems to me that a lot of it has to do with their attitudes as much as the skiers.

Most of you guys know where I ride & avoid it because of all the skiers... that's fie with me, never seen a group of SKIERS track the piss out of a whole area in an hour or two!!!!:D

All I care is that the ONE guy who is as regular as me comes up on CC skis (parks in the far lot every time!) and stops every day to talk to us, we talk about avy conditions, all the gapers.... he's awesome, but he won't take a ride up ever! (he skins to the divide every day)

different strokes, don't understand why some people feel the need to be pissy.


I ride in the same place as bcislife and have the same relative experience as him. I am an access skier and a sledder and have watched this area get very popular. Sledders have been relegated to the bottom lot this year, i remember when we could park right at the trailhead. We are always passing skinners on the trail when we are heading in and heading out. We slow way down and idle passed them and wave. So far so good. I have had a couple of non responsive to moderately rude responses from the human powered but I think they are just jealous as I made 5 runs to there 1.

I try to be as nice as possible as I don't want to add to any tension that may exist between our groups.
 
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