I have heard it called "the herding instinct"
.....if so many people are there "then it must be safe"
Unfortunately it's just too easy to get sucked in by fresh snow and blue skies. But at what cost?
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I have heard it called "the herding instinct"
.....if so many people are there "then it must be safe"
Unfortunately it's just too easy to get sucked in by fresh snow and blue skies. But at what cost?
I would agree with you, it should continue.......
It should continue with some drastic revisions:
1. People need to be forced to park and watch in safe areas. No parking and having a weiner roast in the middle of the avvy run out area. If this hill cannot accomodate the requirement, find another hill where people will be safe watching. Have people responsible for keeing people out of the run out area. Snow fence it off
2. Only one person on the hill at a time. We have seen the result of loading up a hill with machines and people countless times.
3. Everyone on the hill, participating or not, needs to give out basic information so their where abouts can be determined quickly if a slide does happen, and people dont follow the rules and are caught up in a slide
4. Heed the warnings of the avalanche center. Cancel the event if conditions are over a certain level. (Not sure what level is acceptable)
5. Have a trained avalanche professional there to perform snow testing before the event.
I am sure there are many more things that could enhance safety, please add more.......
I think by doing these things, you limit much of the risk to the actual participants. And if the participants do some of this, the risk is reduced drammatically to them as well.
Condolences to the families friends and survivors of this tragic event that took place.
I did an interview with Sherry B on Global Edmonton that was on Global Edmonton at 6:00 and 10:00 you can find it on the global edmonton website, they did a great job for us sledders. Sherry has a site candlestoremember.ca is a great cause.
I did an interview with Sherry B on Global Edmonton that was on Global Edmonton at 6:00 and 10:00 you can find it on the global edmonton website, they did a great job for us sledders. Sherry has a site candlestoremember.ca is a great cause.
THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE
First , I too lost a dear friend to an avalanche in a mountainclimbing accident in which i had to watch my great friend not 20ft from me fall 4000 feet to her death.With all my hours of avalanche training and endless readings and over 20 years of experience in the back country i still got caught in an avalanche
Placing blame on anyone or anything does no good because the people involved will already have enough of that going on in thier own heads, i know i did after my accident,and i feel the utmost of empathy for all involved.
What is more important is what we can learn from this incident and how can things like this be prevented in the future
1.where you stop on a snowmachine can mean the difference between life and death. try avoiding stopping below large exposed shoots or hills anywhere around 37 degrees(most common slide angle although any slope has the potential to slide). Look to trees for possible protection or higher up on noles.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE
2. try to limit the amount of machines climbing a chute or mountain to one at a time THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE
3.When avalanche danger is high make a hard judgement call to one not go out or two stay on the low angled flats no matter the date or the deepness of the powder. the mountains will still be there to hit another day .you will not if you make the wrong judgement call.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE
4.Avalanche beacons and training work ,the people involved were truly prepared with beacons and how to use them. Educate yourself in avalache dangers and how to use and have a beacon and access local avalanche reports.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR BUDDIES LIFE.
5.Remember when you are in the mountains there is a bullseye constantly focused on you following you around waiting to be triggerd. No matter how much fun you are having keep this in the back of your mind it could save your life.
6.Snowmachining is not to blame. Take any information you can learn from this incident and use it out in the mountiains to charge even bigger mountains, higger cliffs and deeper powder than you have ever ridden before, and when you do remember the ones that are not with us now, but passed doing what they enjoyed the most.
First , I too lost a dear friend to an avalanche in a mountainclimbing accident in which i had to watch my great friend not 20ft from me fall 4000 feet to her death.With all my hours of avalanche training and endless readings and over 20 years of experience in the back country i still got caught in an avalanche
Placing blame on anyone or anything does no good because the people involved will already have enough of that going on in thier own heads, i know i did after my accident,and i feel the utmost of empathy for all involved.
What is more important is what we can learn from this incident and how can things like this be prevented in the future
1.where you stop on a snowmachine can mean the difference between life and death. try avoiding stopping below large exposed shoots or hills anywhere around 37 degrees(most common slide angle although any slope has the potential to slide). Look to trees for possible protection or higher up on noles.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE
2. try to limit the amount of machines climbing a chute or mountain to one at a time THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE
3.When avalanche danger is high make a hard judgement call to one not go out or two stay on the low angled flats no matter the date or the deepness of the powder. the mountains will still be there to hit another day .you will not if you make the wrong judgement call.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE
4.Avalanche beacons and training work ,the people involved were truly prepared with beacons and how to use them. Educate yourself in avalache dangers and how to use and have a beacon and access local avalanche reports.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR BUDDIES LIFE.
5.Remember when you are in the mountains there is a bullseye constantly focused on you following you around waiting to be triggerd. No matter how much fun you are having keep this in the back of your mind it could save your life.
6.Snowmachining is not to blame. Take any information you can learn from this incident and use it out in the mountiains to charge even bigger mountains, higger cliffs and deeper powder than you have ever ridden before, and when you do remember the ones that are not with us now, but passed doing what they enjoyed the most.
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CNN
I just wrote an e-mail to CNN headline news and asked them to get thier facts straight and they could do an amazing story on survival by skilled and trained people who got into a bad situation but prevented it from being an epicly horrific event. their facts were wrong and reflect poorly in my opinion. Let's see if they write me back.
hello?
if they do.. who wants to talk to them and straighten them out. fab? j/k really, who? I did just get an auto reply saying they read every e-mail. we'll see.
I just wrote an e-mail to CNN headline news and asked them to get thier facts straight and they could do an amazing story on survival by skilled and trained people who got into a bad situation but prevented it from being an epicly horrific event. their facts were wrong and reflect poorly in my opinion. Let's see if they write me back.
hello? if they do.. who wants to talk to them and straighten them out. fab? j/k really, who? I did just get an auto reply saying they read every e-mail. we'll see.
I just wrote an e-mail to CNN headline news and asked them to get thier facts straight and they could do an amazing story on survival by skilled and trained people who got into a bad situation but prevented it from being an epicly horrific event. their facts were wrong and reflect poorly in my opinion. Let's see if they write me back.
if they do.. who wants to talk to them and straighten them out. fab? j/k really, who? I did just get an auto reply saying they read every e-mail. we'll see.
Well...Rock talks about as well as anyone I know...
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Rock Star
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Good Lord then Griz, you need to meet more people.
let's get a first hand acct person if possible with great PR skilz. any ideas in case they care at CNN?
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gatekeeper
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CNN thinks were eatin seal blubber & live in melting igloos.
Not likely would they travel up an ice road thru indian territory to come cover a story.
Not likely would they travel up an ice road thru indian territory to come cover a story.
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Rock Star
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I don't hold out a lot of hope for an answer from them. I just thought I'd try. This is a PERFECT Cantore Stories for the weather channel.
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deepdiver
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I bumped this guys red flag on accident..can admin remove the red thumbs up/ I changed the speed of my wireless mouse to warp zone and fast clicks...making mistakes all day. I wasnt intending to give any rep on this. Not my place.
in 2003 i don't remeber the sledding community bad mouthing the backcountry skiers when 7 people died in one avy. I also don't remeber the the sledding community bad mouthing the cross country skiers when 7 died in one avy. This happens around the mountains of revelstoke every couple of years. IT is part of the danger of winter mountain sports. Kudos to all who where prepared.
I guess that shows the true character of sledders.
tim
I guess that shows the true character of sledders.
tim
That guy is my cousin and he is a prime example of the heroics that went on up there that day! It doesent take away from the fact that an incident like that should never happen, but we are all human and all open to error in judgement, myself included. I had my 7 year old son up there and now I cant help but wonder why I would do such a foolish thing, we all got out shook up and scared but are so fortunate to still be together. Lets put aside the blame for now and be thankfull it went as well as it did and thank all that went above and beyond and saved so many that day! End of my rant(for now)
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snowhippy
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Snow Hippy
I was in a avalanche and was carried about 300 feet or more down boulder mountain. we did help save other snowmobilers, the 8 of us from browning are all bruised and battered but we are very lucky to be alive, the whole mountain side came down. there was about 2-3 feet of fresh snow that covered everyone involved in the big iron shoot out event. Beat up but still alive and very happy. We lost 2 friends, please send your prayers to their families.
Thank you, Snow Hippy
I was in a avalanche and was carried about 300 feet or more down boulder mountain. we did help save other snowmobilers, the 8 of us from browning are all bruised and battered but we are very lucky to be alive, the whole mountain side came down. there was about 2-3 feet of fresh snow that covered everyone involved in the big iron shoot out event. Beat up but still alive and very happy. We lost 2 friends, please send your prayers to their families.
Thank you, Snow Hippy
It would be nice to see CNN do a non-biased story. However, when it comes to snowmobilers, they don't like us. Maybe some changes there now, but back when the Yellowstone stuff was going, they were at the entrance to the Park handing out the gas masks that people ultimatley wore when CNN filmed for their news story (I have friends whom were there that day and witnessed this).
I would like to thank those sharing their stories with us. I know it can't be easy, and probably a lot of stuff still milling around in your heads. As hard as it was on everyone whom watched, waited, and prayed....to hear of the outcome, I know it was even harder on those involved (and will always be). Hearing from those involved can only help us to learn, and to put things into perspective.
Myself.....I am truly impressed at how prepared people were, and how quickly they stepped up. From first hearing about this, I certainly thought the outcome would be a whole lot worse than it was (no downplaying meant to those who lost their life or were injured). To take the worst possible thing happening, and then seeing the teamwork of how everyone pulled together to save everyone they could.......truly remarkable.
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