Renegades keeping up with longer tracks. (could it be???)

[X_RS EXTREME]

This is a question that I haven't found the answer to yet. No posts really at all. I might just have to try it myself.

I'm wondering if an xp gade with a 16x136x2.313 2.52 pitch track, some mountain skis, and proper gearing and clutching would keep up with the longer tracks?

It would be one hell of a fun sled to ride, but would it get you where you gotta go? That is the question.

Bring on your input boyz and galz.

 

[MtnMasher]

My cousin tried to do the same with his 2006 renegade(?) 1000 and it worked okay, but it if you lost speed in the powder you were done. We went on a powder day with 2 feet of fresh and he had to come off the road at 40+ mph to not get stuck. It will defiantiley make you a good rider quick or just really freaking pissed. That sled had studs in it and that sled would go anywhere in the spring (or maybe it was those 80 mph runs?). Since you have a 2.3 inch lug height and a good chassis it should do decent.

 

[Original OT]

Some of us remember when the longest track was a 136.

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[winter brew]

Some of us remember when the longest track was a 136.

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Or when 121 was the longest

 

[lewey]

thats what i'm rockin. renegade x with 2.3 track, mod skiis, dj clutch, rk tek drop in and 21:45 with 9 tooth extros. fun as hell to ride and keeps up with the long tracks but at the end of the day it is really all about the foot print. love my sled and wouldn't trade it for the world but when i hop on a longer track i do notice it. jumping a long track sux though. definately improved my riding compared to my old long track.

 

[X_RS EXTREME]

what do you think

136x16x2.313 2.52 pitch vs. 141x15x2.25 3.00 pitch with 9" wheels

 

[lewey]

i've got a big wheel kit but don't know if it really does alot. 15 wide? no idea, read alot of opinions on here. my 16 wide with no sway bar and good shocks is insanely easy to carve. i dont think 15 is the answer. a renegades ski stance is good on the trail too. my friends 144 does seem to pull the straight line up the hill pretty good though.

 

[Rotax_Kid]

Why not 146? That's what I'm working on..146" 1200...best of both worlds for the prairies and out to the big hills.

 

[lewey]

Some of us remember when the longest track was a 136.

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those sleds also handled like sh_t compared to todays sleds and were (or seemed) alot heavier to dig out

 

[X_RS EXTREME]

I have a 154 HC summit.. a 146 is only 4" shorter (half an Idler wheel). Plus the HC has better shocks, rail stiffeners, I just put a 2.5" track on it, etc. I just can't justify it. It still has a years warranty. (might be for sale if someone wants it)

But a gade on the other hand would be leaps and bounds ahead in the manouverability department. So I think. Am i wrong? I want to whip this thing upside down. But maybe It won't go where I want it to out west. I'm a smaller guy 155lbs.

loving the input.

 

[lewey]

where/what do you ride most? buy a used rev short track and keep the xp. i used to have a 151 and the renegade. never used the long track just let friends use it. even with all the deep days in whistler i still love the 36. i sold the 151 because i was just losing money for other people to ride it. atleast you'll know what you want to keep. i'm guessing in sask you'd probably love the gade. i cant imagine trying a whip on a long track!

 

[Original OT]

those sleds also handled like sh_t compared to todays sleds and were (or seemed) alot heavier to dig out

True story, but we had no choice so we did what we could.....The differance between yesterday longtrack VS. todays long tracks is they get you there easier.

Back to the question NO a 136 can not go where a 162 can go on certain deep snow days unless the 136 rides in the 162's track and even then the 136 will struggle in the 162's trench.

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[X_RS EXTREME]

I wish. I need to find something for like $3000.00 CAN. which would suck ***. Half my miles are put on at home and half out west. I do it all.
I found a good deal on a 08 everest 154. If I could swing that and get like 05-07 short track rev. Get my old 800 mxz xrs back! That would be fun. Then two insurances, two sleds to maintain.

Keep it coming. I seriously need help figuring out this one.

 

[Skidooer]

In the deepest of powder the 136 will not do what the longer tracks do. However where I ride that is only 3-4 days each year. Every other day the 136 would be a better choice. I have a 146 and often want to try a 137 Gade X, better shocks, wider, faster. I am going to gear up my 146 to be more like a Gade.

 

[X_RS EXTREME]

Faster? I had my 154 with a 2.5" track doing 98 mph. on the dreamometer geared down to 20:45. Are you nuts?

 

[triple7]

Well dude I am honestly of the opinion that longer is better. It will allow you to push your riding by putting yourself in new places. The top guys can whip an xp 154 easy anyway so I would just ride what you have and learn to make it do what you want.

JMO but I do not see the point in switching to a less capable sled if you are going to ride out west much.

Jake

 

[X_RS EXTREME]

Out west I love the 154. You can whip her out land on your side from 60' and not hurt anything with all the pow. If I tried what I do out west at home with my 154 I would need tunnels coolers, and rails on standby.

 

[Skidooer]

I guess I must be. I want to go 100mph + on the SNOW.

105 mph will make the hair stand on the back of your neck!

Faster? I had my 154 with a 2.5" track doing 98 mph. on the dreamometer geared down to 20:45. Are you nuts?

 

[LRD]

The first day riding in two foot of fresh you will have a problem, second day be quite a bit easier and third day piece of cake and everybody whining for more fresh powder!!

My first trip to West Yellowstone was about 20 years ago on a Phazer with a 114 " track that was closer to todays asphalt drag tracks than our paddle tracks, we survived!

Also a number of years ago my crank died on the 1st day at Cook, a customer of mine was there also for that week and offered a spare sled he brought along, a very heavy Cat 700 I had big bored to 800 and piped for him a few weeks previous, all I had to do was figure out the jetting and clutching. It only had a 15 X 121 X 2, I thought I'm gonna DIE for sure!!! Very little fresh snow for the week so I had no problems going anywhere. Only time a pucker factor was at TOP of The World in a few feet of sugar snow, same feeling as water skipping on the second porpoise just before your going down. Kept the speed up and got out of it. (Rough guess is this sled weighed 70 to 100 Lbs more than a XP)

The shorter track will force you to learn and to look ahead and plan your escape so you don't get stuck. The very long tracks don't need to be nearly as anal about this.

Good Luck

PS My ride is a mod TNT with 16 X 137 X 1.75 that weighs about 380 lbs, gets around fine in any snow, just can't compete in high mark against the 8's with 40 more HP and all that track.

 

[winter brew]

I think I've had just about every track length and width ever built, even the old 20-21 wide and 116 long....OK, I'm OLD!
Honestly I had just as much fun in '95 on the 136/ 583 summit as I have on todays bigger sleds, the 174 tracks with 160hp ALMOST take some of the challenge away, but when I push that sled to it's limits I am also pushing myself to my limits. The 136-146 etc.... a guy can ride them WFO all day in the deep and have a great time but will have to watch the big tracks carving the slopes above and climbing out of the holes below. ......your riding areas will be severely limited on the days when the snow is the best.