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redline race oil, vs. redline snowmobile oil?

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Has anyone compared the 2 oils?

I'm curentlly using the race oil, but $65 a gallon gets a little rough on the wallet. I started using the race when I put a psi 1155 in a sled, Dickhead reccomended the oil, it was about the only thing he did right and I'm leary of changing.

Anyone using the redline snowmobile oil and what are your findings as far as piston wear, scuffing, bearing condition when checking crank, rust?

The sled is a Flannery trail ported poo 800 twin liberty, pump gas, slp single .

Makes 161.9 hp, will the lower priced redline work.

Thanks for any input.
Al
 
heard the redline guy here in the utah area says the race is for moon rockets and nascar;)....the typical redline syn oil is working great in turbo sleds pushing a ton of HP
 
Most of us in our rideing group use the red line snowmobile oil, we tore down The top end of a psi 890 motor to replace a power valve, it came apart and fell in to the piston. When we got it a part everything that you could see had redline oil coating it, IMO and that of the owners it is the reason that motor lasted as long as it did for a psi, (Approx. 2300 miles with no problems but the power valve). I run the redline in all my sleds, and have never been happier with a brand of oil. I have ran anything from torco to polaris gold, and it is red line that I have stuck with, less heat better performace all aroud. (IMO) Red line synthetic snomobile oil will work very well in your sled I have a amost twin to your sled.

Just my two penny's


P.S I agree with Hatch 100% have been told simalar thing.
 
probably the same oil anyway..they probably just change label and charge more..i am currently using redline racing..i think i will switch to their regular after reading this thread
 
The difference between the 2 are probably the same as Amsoil the race oil doesn't have the anti corrosive agent in it because most race motors are torn down every couple if not every race.
 
IMO and that of the owners it is the reason that motor lasted as long as it did for a psi

i stripped my sled down this summer for a full make over.....my top end looked very very new and the exhaust valves shocked me, i showed this strange finding to a few rifing buddies who would testify this engine was new although it had 1300 miles, we all run redline syn now....its way cheap when you buy 3 barrels;)
 
The difference between the 2 are probably the same as Amsoil the race oil doesn't have the anti corrosive agent in it because most race motors are torn down every couple if not every race.

That and the race oil usually will gum up the Exhaust valves after a while. The Interceptor is designed to keep the valves clean so they don't stick. Dominator lacks that because they assume you will tear down and at least be able to clean them often.

The Dominator has better heat protection, most riders really don't need that type of protection. There is a big difference between a REAL race motor and a modded motor.
 
That and the race oil usually will gum up the Exhaust valves after a while. The Interceptor is designed to keep the valves clean so they don't stick. Dominator lacks that because they assume you will tear down and at least be able to clean them often.

The Dominator has better heat protection, most riders really don't need that type of protection. There is a big difference between a REAL race motor and a modded motor.



You hit the nail on the head !!
 
I believe the race oil is Castor based, vs full synthetic on the regular oil. I run RL syn with good results! But the new Polaris Gold Plus may be even better.
 
ISO-L-EGC which is similar to the JASO FC rating.

The ISO-L-EGD+ was created to establish a higher standard of detergency and ability to withstand higher levels of heat. The new test runs for 3 hours vs 1 hour for the previous test.
If a lubricant is certified ISO-L-EGD+ it has passed the most stringent tests set by American, Japanese and European engine manufacturers. Polaris recommends TC-W3 lubricants, Yamaha JASO FC and Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo requires ISO-L-EDG+ lubricants.
None of the three North American snowmobile manufacturers specify use of TC-W3 oil in their owner’s manuals. Bombardier pointedly tells its customers not to use it, recommending API-TC rated oil instead.

Until recently, the top JASO oil rating was FC, and you will continue to see this listed in many places. But the tougher FD rating is now available, and some companies upgraded their products. The JASO-FC standard is also important because it includes a test to specifically measure exhaust smoke. So JASO-FC and the subsequent FD test is the key for visible exhaust emissions.

ISO-L-EGD is the top European two-stroke standard, with EGC and EGB as lower performance levels. A plus sign after the letters (EGD+) means that the rating is significantly exceeded.

Use the oil ratings as a guide, compare costs and availability, and try to stay with one product if possible. Availability becomes a factor for many of us; if you can’t carry enough with you, run something that you can find readily where you ride to fill the gaps.

Plain old TCW-3 won’t cut it in many of the higher-tech engines. Look for JASO-FC (and now FD) and ISO EGD ratings as indicators of a minimum performance standard for the newest, trickest engines. Mod packages may require extra quality and or quantity to provide adequate lubrication; consult with the engine builder or package supplier on what their experience has been.

ISO EGD is the “European” specification that slightly exceeds the “Japanese” JASO-FC. There is a new JASO-FD spec, as the ISO and JASO testing sequences have come closer together with the latest ‘FD’ and ‘EGD’ designations. Previously, the only difference was a 1 hour and 3 hour detergency - lubricity - ring groove - sticking test with JASO-FC and ISO-EGD respectively. Now, they are the same set of tests.




Maxima TundraR, a synthetic blend that is pretty clean burning, ISO EGD

Amsoil Interceptor & Dominator Both are rated JASO FC, API TC

Klotz Snowmobile Techniplate- TCW-3

Spectro that is also ISO EGD rated

Blue Marble claims to be ISO EGD rated

ARCTIC BLUE™ Synthetic Blend is qualified internationally: Exceeds API TC or TSC-3 in North America. Exceeds Japanese Automobile Standard Organization new JASO specification "FC". Meets or exceeds performance requirements of International Standards Organization new ISO Global Specifications "GC" (ISO-L-EGC) and "GD"
(ISO-L-EGD).

Torco Exceeds JASO-FC / ISO-L-EGD / API-TC

Shell Advance Snow Ultra High Performance Synthetic Snowmobile Oil ISO-EGD and the JASO FC standard.

Maxima Lubricants Super-M Injector Oil Exceeds BIA/TC-W, JASO-FC, ISO-E-GD & API-TC specifications

Legend ZX-2R exceeds NMMA (formerly BIA) TCW3, ISO-L-EGB and JASO FB specifications. ZX-2R is a mineral based, synthetically infused blend of superior chemical components designed to outperform the most expensive synthetics.

Legend ZX-2SR exceeds API TC, ISO-L-EGD and JASO FC+ specifications. ZX-2SR is a blend of the finest mineral base stocks “chemically infused” with nano-molecular additive technology.
Royal Purple-TCW-III

Citgo SuperGard Sea and Snow. Citgo is Venezuela’s oil company run by Hugo Chavez. The synthetic blend formula meets or exceeds the rigorous requirements of the API TC, JASO FC and ISO EGD classifications for 2-cycle air-cooled engine oils and also exceeds the performance requirements for JASO FA, JASO FB, ISO-L-EGB, and ISO-L-EGC. The JASO FC Certification Number is 001 CGO 535. SUPERGARD Sea and Snow is formulated primarily for use in snowmobiles and personal watercraft.

Redline SyntheticTwo-Stroke Snowmobile - is not rated. Test results state that it can be used where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD, or API TC lubricants are recommended, but is not designed for outboard use..

Arctic Cat 50:1 Injection Oil - Arctic Cat does not rate their oil. Arctic Cat runs a number of motors at different rpm's on the emission dyno's and sleds in the field for hundreds of hours. So Arctic Cat does their own testing with Suzuki.

Phillips 66® Injex - TC-W3® certified by the National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA), and also meets API TC and JASO FB

Yamalube Land (Red box with “2-S” on it) - STANDARDS: API TC – TSC 3 JASO FC, ISO-L-EGD Approval No: M081 YMC 525

Castrol SNOW 2T SNOWMOBILE OIL - API TC or NMMA TC-W3®
 
They are not the same oil. The standard snowmobile oil is a very good oil but with a lower quality basestock whereas the racing oil is a ester basestock. It's also one of their lowest smoke oils and one of their cleanest.

Might I recommend reading the product info before all the wild unfounded speculation takes over?

http://www.redlineoil.com/content/files/tech/Two-Stroke Technical Info.pdf

I've always run redline in my high performance forced induction automotive motors but ran amsoil in my sled due to availability last year. That said I've been very happy with the switch so far, it seems to be excellent oil with low smoke and excellent thermal properties.

If I was running a stock or piped sled I'd run standard oil and be done, but on my ported, piped, M1000 I wanted a little extra, especially with forced induction in mind for next season.

It's expensive, but with the amount of time I spend IN my motors it's worth it to me.
 
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