wellfed there are a lot of "fixes" out there that are counterproductive. MH(as usual with visual aids, comments by subject matter experts etc) has pointed out that one of these fixes, soft shocks, is counter productive. Getting the sled up on one ski and not just having the sled leaned over is what you are after. I have Raptors on sleds now and I had the EVOL Xs on my Freeride last year. I really like the ability to split the compression damping and have control over the rebound damping too. The high speed/low speed thing is relative to the shaft movement speed. The low speed is more of a handling thing, like a sway bar. The high speed is bump compliance and with the EVOL you can run a soft "spring" initially and catch that shock with the EVOL chamber and basically never bottom out. You can also run the high speed stiffer for running the trail and keep the low speed soft for getting around in the trees and tight stuff. Adding rebound slows the handling of the sled down a little and helps keep the sled from snapping back at you after a big hit or lots of little hits. The air shocks are lighter too. I would have Foxes his year but they are switching ALL the shocks to the Kashima coating on the shafts and those shocks aren't available yet. I would suspect that Raptor will have at minimum, rebound knobs on their next get shock and hopefully high/low speed control too. I am a fan of both companies, I really like that I can get ahold of Jake, the head man at Raptor, anytime we need help though. I don't have Mr Fox's cel number.
Raptor shocks, question
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Matt... good explanation.
As far as the soft first part of the travel and stiffer second part... I guess you could design a multi rate spring pack and crossovers to have a soft initial part of the travel and cross over early to a significantly stiffer spring for the remainder of the travel... but that may still leave you with too stiff of a spring when you encounter an obstacle.
As Matt said..."counter productive"... and I agree.
For me... learning the Balance required to keep it on one ski was challenging... but as I got better at it... so did my riding.. but it took some serious practice....When I'm riding with "Jedi Master" level riders, that will tollerate my intermediate skill and still let me ride with them, I've watched them ride for as long as they want on one ski... down a whooped trail... up a ditch.... side hill... climbing etc...
As I've said before...
There are many better riders out there than me... many of them have a different style all their own that works very well for them.
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As far as the soft first part of the travel and stiffer second part... I guess you could design a multi rate spring pack and crossovers to have a soft initial part of the travel and cross over early to a significantly stiffer spring for the remainder of the travel... but that may still leave you with too stiff of a spring when you encounter an obstacle.
As Matt said..."counter productive"... and I agree.
For me... learning the Balance required to keep it on one ski was challenging... but as I got better at it... so did my riding.. but it took some serious practice....When I'm riding with "Jedi Master" level riders, that will tollerate my intermediate skill and still let me ride with them, I've watched them ride for as long as they want on one ski... down a whooped trail... up a ditch.... side hill... climbing etc...
As I've said before...
There are many better riders out there than me... many of them have a different style all their own that works very well for them.
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AND...
Jake IS available when you need him... He took a bold step... produced some very high quality shocks and brings years of suspension design experience to the table.
His shocks are definitely in the top tier of shocks for our sleds.
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Jake IS available when you need him... He took a bold step... produced some very high quality shocks and brings years of suspension design experience to the table.
His shocks are definitely in the top tier of shocks for our sleds.
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thanks matt and MH
i think i'll give jake a call i really like the siplicity of coil type shocks
but fox air shocks are great too just more tinkering
Roly sorry if i derailed your thread
i think i'll give jake a call i really like the siplicity of coil type shocks
but fox air shocks are great too just more tinkering
Roly sorry if i derailed your thread
I was riding my 13 Pro down a pretty chattered up mountain road at 15-20mph and my teeth were about to fall out. Bone stock factory settings.
So I hopped on a 12 with Raptors up front (set up for a 300lb guy)...WHOA!!! 35mph over the same chatter and I didn't even spill my Scotch.
Major difference. Major.
So I hopped on a 12 with Raptors up front (set up for a 300lb guy)...WHOA!!! 35mph over the same chatter and I didn't even spill my Scotch.
Major difference. Major.
I've been nothing but impressed with the product and service.
I don't understand what Polaris is doing with the front shock springs/valving. I ride at 300 lbs and I think they are to stiff (2012 pro). I can't imagine what it it is like for a normal size person.
NORMAL ! shoot thats overated 
but i do agree the springs/valving could be vastly inproved and still cover
most riding styles
but i do agree the springs/valving could be vastly inproved and still cover
most riding styles
I'm half your weight and like them...
It really shows just how personal setups actually are.
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ak
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If your looking to lay the sled over are make it sidehill very easy (like a pro needs it), this setup http://www.carbonsled.com/float_crossover.htm on a set of float 2s would be the chit.
While I agree with MH, Riding the sled on edge is the goal,I am looking for an aid to get it in that position as easily as possible> When snow is deep and soft of course a Pro goes over, the problem comes in when you are off camber down hill crappy snow and need to have it come over as quickly as possible. We have ridden with many people who are good riders but still have a problem with this scenario, and yes practice does make perfect.
