Quick Video For Those On The Fence

[Scott]

Here's a short video for those on the fence trying to decide between the Pro, Proclimb and E-Tec. The first clip is my 2014 Pro on a steep uphill springtime climb racing a 925 big bore Cat. The next clip is my 2012 Pro whooping up on an E-Tec in the powder. The third run-off is my 2014 Pro outpulling a well tuned Proclimb in some real heavy springtime snow. I tossed in a few little chute climbing clips for fun. My 2014 runs a step above my 2012 and looks as though it will give any another normally aspirated 800 fits. Where we ride we race all over Lamoille Canyon for nothing more than bragging rights and have a blast. My 2014 Pro has been a pleasant surprise and has not been outpulled by any other NA 800 in about 50 runs up the mountain against approximately 20 different sleds. Looks like the belt drive and 417 lbs. work well together. I'm not a lightweight either (236 lbs. with gear on) Looks to be a very fun well tuned sled with the factory recommended clutching nearly perfect.

https://vimeo.com/89207693

Why can't anyone put the helmet cam on the slower sled. Or wear the cam backwards. LOL

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

No intention of being a badass, just trying to make an effort at showing how competitive/dominant a well set-up Pro can be. A poorly clutched Pro runs like garbage but an 8,000 RPM Pro can put some excellent trackspeed down when combined with a 417 Lbs. chassis and belt drive. They can give any other 800 fits all day long, that's what fun is!!! The 2014 is so quick off the bottom it takes a 6lbs. pump gas turbo about 400' to drive on by. Very fun lightweight sled for us old folks, I think young folks would enjoy the heck out of them also. It seems everyone and their dog has a camera on their head but for some reason you don't much sled vs. sled video. I'll make an effort if we get another storm or two to shoot some "Powder only" video for those who really truly believe their sled only performs well in the powder but runs like a turd on hardpack.

 

[turboless terry]

Just spent all day in 2-3 feet of fresh. I rode my wife's 12 pro with tied. My buddy had his 13 pro. Both 155. My other buddy had his 13 154 xm and spanked us on every hill. He would get 10 feet on us on every hill when we were breaking out the chutes to get on top. On the way out we had to give the xm 2 servings of gas to try to get him out. We ended up leaving it on the mountain because we were almost out. We were tipping sleds on their side into a bottle. I told my buddy the pro uses less gas and less oil. I also told him the xm climbs higher but doesn't matter when they don't make it back to the truck. For everyone that says they are awesome on gas and oil, well, get off the trail and open them up. Maybe when going down a trail they don't use much. I had guys tell me that they still have fuel when the pros run out. We were full throttle all day to get somewhere. I can't believe nobody blew a belt.

 

[hillking]

Just spent all day in 2-3 feet of fresh. I rode my wife's 12 pro with tied. My buddy had his 13 pro. Both 155. My other buddy had his 13 154 xm and spanked us on every hill. He would get 10 feet on us on every hill when we were breaking out the chutes to get on top. On the way out we had to give the xm 2 servings of gas to try to get him out. We ended up leaving it on the mountain because we were almost out. We were tipping sleds on their side into a bottle. I told my buddy the pro uses less gas and less oil. I also told him the xm climbs higher but doesn't matter when they don't make it back to the truck. For everyone that says they are awesome on gas and oil, well, get off the trail and open them up. Maybe when going down a trail they don't use much. I had guys tell me that they still have fuel when the pros run out. We were full throttle all day to get somewhere. I can't believe nobody blew a belt.

hard pack underneath so the 2.5 lug hooked up on that day .
A 13 155 pro will eat a 13 Xm like nothing even a 163 .

 

[turboless terry]

There was no hard pack to be had where we were. Sorry. Stock out of the box the xm wins climbing. Don't know on 14's. My 13 pro would win but I had a 3 inch track. Not a fair comparison.

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

We've found there is a HUGE difference on the Pro depending on if you are running 10-60's or 10-62's at elevation. I've been running 10-60's with two delrins and the stock black spring in the secondary, when I run it against another Pro with the same secondary and 10-62's it just eat's em in all applications, lake racing, powder climbs, hardpack climbs. We've found my '14 will outpull many other Pro's by 100' in a 1,000' pull. The reason the guys running 10-62's haven't lightened up is the fact they hold decent RPM's on the hill (7,900), My sled appears to run very well at 7,900. Hmmm!!

 

[turboless terry]

My buddies 13 has 62's. My wife's 12 has 68 MTX and tied. It runs 8100. My buddies could use lighter weights and a little stiffer spring.

 

[OuraySledder]

I love how my '13 Pro runs, it has plenty of power compared to the other sleds I ride with. They all seem to be developing PRO envy. The icing on the cake is when my wife comments on how much more "energy" I have after a day of riding now. I always knew the Pro would pay dividends in the bedroom too. Does that make riders of heavy sleds gay?

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

Whats changed on the PRO from 13 to 14?

Rode a stock 13 PRO 163 a couple weeks ago, it handled like
a dream but it felt like it had no power.

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

I've come to the conclusion after this weekends snowmobiling that there are a pile of people out there that think they can run 10-62's at elevation. I don't think they ever look at their tach midway through a pull. We did a little testing again this weekend like always, and every Pro I saw or ran against that had 10-62's ran like a 600cc sled at best. My Pro at 8,050 RPM's will almost run with my old UBR 900 on a hardpack pull and just destroys it in the powder. So easy to tune but a lot of folks just don't bother.

 

[AndrettiDog]

I've come to the conclusion after this weekends snowmobiling that there are a pile of people out there that think they can run 10-62's at elevation.

What's your elevation? I ride above 10k. Usually 11k-12k. I ran 10-60's on my 2013 Pro but had to grind down my 60's to about 58.5's on my 2011 Pro. I ran my 2013 with 88 non-ethanol fuel and it ran amazing. Not sure how you are running so well if you are only at 8050 RPM's. That's 200 RPM's off of the sweet spot.

 

[hillking]

What's your elevation? I ride above 10k. Usually 11k-12k. I ran 10-60's on my 2013 Pro but had to grind down my 60's to about 58.5's on my 2011 Pro. I ran my 2013 with 88 non-ethanol fuel and it ran amazing. Not sure how you are running so well if you are only at 8050 RPM's. That's 200 RPM's off of the sweet spot.

I agree my 13 155 pro revs 8350 on a steep climb in waist deep pow just where I love it . If not you will run like a 600. Or like other sleds.
No other stock sleds will climb in deep pow , like a pro from a my last seasons
Results.
If you ride on deep powder days in the mountains and are a aggressive rider you will find your belt will not last very long .
When some one tells me they get 600 - 1000 miles on a belt ...that tells me what kind of a rider he . It's just the way it is .

I'm lucky to get 4 rides !

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

We ride 9,000' to 11,000' and have found the sweet spot to be between 8,000 and 8,100 r's. 10-60's with the black purple will get you there or 10-59's with the black will get you there (some will pull 10-60's some won't). I've personally run hundreds of runs against people tuned at 8,300 and my 8,050 RPM set-up drives by most every time, 7,800 is a different story. I've performed several new track powder pulls with 10-60's versus 10-58's, the 8,050 RPM 10-60's always show 1 additional MPH trackspeed over the revy 8,250 10-58's. The revy sled feels and sounds better but when we do ski to ski mountain pulls the lower RPM sled always highmarks and shows that additional 1MPH. Try about a dozen ski to ski pulls against a friend of the same weight, same track and same amount of fuel in the tank, one at 8,100 and the other at 8,300. My money is on the lower RPM sled.

 

[turboless terry]

I agree my 13 155 pro revs 8350 on a steep climb in waist deep pow just where I love it . If not you will run like a 600. Or like other sleds.
No other stock sleds will climb in deep pow , like a pro from a my last seasons
Results.
If you ride on deep powder days in the mountains and are a aggressive rider you will find your belt will not last very long .
When some one tells me they get 600 - 1000 miles on a belt ...that tells me what kind of a rider he . It's just the way it is .

I'm lucky to get 4 rides !

I hate to burst your bubble but If you only get 4 rides on a belt you have problems.

 

[hillking]

I hate to burst your bubble but If you only get 4 rides on a belt you have problems.

Ha ! no worries just burst belts . Similar results with all my sleds .

 

[geo]

AA, my findings too at a lower elevation.

I'd like to add that blowing belts is not a badge of courage or an indication of ability-terrain. More likely just not knowing or way too much money in your pocket to me.

 

[ak]

I'm pretty sure F- bomb on these forums tuned for 8,000 rpm a couple of years ago and many didn't believe him that it was the sweet spot for the 800 cfi motor. Until a dyno sheet came out proving some wrong.

 

[trench]

Interesting it seems like my 13 pro's sweet spot is a little higher as well
But I ride @ 3000 - 5500 .
Maybe the air is to thin to keep that air pump cranking those r's .

I go through belts too need to give that thing a rest...
I would agree 1000 mile belt not happening here .

 

[knocksum]

We ride 9,000' to 11,000' and have found the sweet spot to be between 8,000 and 8,100 r's. 10-60's with the black purple will get you there or 10-59's with the black will get you there (some will pull 10-60's some won't). I've personally run hundreds of runs against people tuned at 8,300 and my 8,050 RPM set-up drives by most every time, 7,800 is a different story. I've performed several new track powder pulls with 10-60's versus 10-58's, the 8,050 RPM 10-60's always show 1 additional MPH trackspeed over the revy 8,250 10-58's. The revy sled feels and sounds better but when we do ski to ski mountain pulls the lower RPM sled always highmarks and shows that additional 1MPH. Try about a dozen ski to ski pulls against a friend of the same weight, same track and same amount of fuel in the tank, one at 8,100 and the other at 8,300. My money is on the lower RPM sled.

I was running 7900 with 62s on my 20/46 gearing, black secondary and slp blue pink primary. Dropped in 60s and now running 8050. Picked up 2-3 mph track speed. Without a doubt 60s are key.

 

[Covelli44]

I'll add fuel to this fire. Had a 12 Pro and loved it! Setup perfect, hit my RPM's perfect, felt at home weaving thru the trees on it. Then at 1,008 miles it blew up - just like everyone said it would. Bone Stock BTW. Never had a problem and again I say I loved it.

Then I rode a 14 Ski Doo. A week later I bought one and will never go back to a Pro. It would dominate my old Pro. Stock vs stock. Handling, power, and fuel consumption I can first hand say it dominates my Pro. It's heavier and I'm ok with that because maybe the weight is in the cylinder skirts so they won't ****ing break!

Just like the first guys opinion who thinks the Pro is the way to go, I think the XM is the way to go. It works better for me than the Pro did, but that doesn't mean it will work for everyone. To each is their own! RIDE ON!!!!