I am just wondering if anyone on here has used one on their m8, i have been leaning towards this unit over others. I like the idea of the usb port and it seems it would be easier to tune than the boondocker or attitude boxes, if anyone has some real experience with the pcIII please let me know what you think, we have a tuning centre here but its a harley dealer and they won't touch sleds kinda sucks.
Power Commander III
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My engine parts are at SLP right now being done and a pre programmed Power Commander PCIII is part of that package. I am excited about that but, in August Power Commander will have the PC5.
The autotune function of the PC5 is what appeals to me most because I want to mix and match parts like the BDX airbox mod with SLP engine mods.
It will be available in the July/August timeframe. The problem is it will not come preprogamed like the PCIII because the aftermarket guys won't have had a chance to play with it yet but, the auto tune fuction should tune the box automatically, right?
Here's more info on the PC5.
We no longer have the buttons on the PC5. All the info for the PC5 is below.
NEW Power Commander V Basic Features List
Reduced size from PCIIIusb (less than half of the size of PCIII)
USB powered from computer (9 volt adapter is no longer needed for programming)
2 position map switching function built in (map switch not included)
Gear/Speed input (allows for map adjustment based on gear and speed)
Analog input (allows user to install any 0-5 volt sensor and build an adjustment table based on its input such as boost or temperature)
With gear position input connected the PCV is capable of allowing each cylinder to be mapped individually and for each gear (for example: on a 4 cylinder bike with a six speed transmission there could be up to 24 separate fuel tables).
Unit has a -100/+250% fuel change range (up from -100/+100%). This allows more adjustment range for 8 injector sportbikes
10 throttle position columns (up from 9 on PCIIIusb)
Enhanced “accel pump” utility (increased adjustment and sensitivity ranges)
“Auto Tune” kit will be available that includes Wide Band O2 sensor(s) and control box(es). It will plug directly into the PCV and allow automatic fuel adjustments. It can make a map for each gear and on a Harley Davidson models it can map each cylinder separately for each gear if needed. (basic settings would make one map for all gears)
Each map cell is individually adjustable so you can specify an exact AFR value for each area if needed.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks.
Mike Shefler
Dynojet Research Inc.
1-800-992-4993
I'm sure there is more information out there.............................................
The autotune function of the PC5 is what appeals to me most because I want to mix and match parts like the BDX airbox mod with SLP engine mods.
It will be available in the July/August timeframe. The problem is it will not come preprogamed like the PCIII because the aftermarket guys won't have had a chance to play with it yet but, the auto tune fuction should tune the box automatically, right?
Here's more info on the PC5.
We no longer have the buttons on the PC5. All the info for the PC5 is below.
NEW Power Commander V Basic Features List
Reduced size from PCIIIusb (less than half of the size of PCIII)
USB powered from computer (9 volt adapter is no longer needed for programming)
2 position map switching function built in (map switch not included)
Gear/Speed input (allows for map adjustment based on gear and speed)
Analog input (allows user to install any 0-5 volt sensor and build an adjustment table based on its input such as boost or temperature)
With gear position input connected the PCV is capable of allowing each cylinder to be mapped individually and for each gear (for example: on a 4 cylinder bike with a six speed transmission there could be up to 24 separate fuel tables).
Unit has a -100/+250% fuel change range (up from -100/+100%). This allows more adjustment range for 8 injector sportbikes
10 throttle position columns (up from 9 on PCIIIusb)
Enhanced “accel pump” utility (increased adjustment and sensitivity ranges)
“Auto Tune” kit will be available that includes Wide Band O2 sensor(s) and control box(es). It will plug directly into the PCV and allow automatic fuel adjustments. It can make a map for each gear and on a Harley Davidson models it can map each cylinder separately for each gear if needed. (basic settings would make one map for all gears)
Each map cell is individually adjustable so you can specify an exact AFR value for each area if needed.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks.
Mike Shefler
Dynojet Research Inc.
1-800-992-4993
I'm sure there is more information out there.............................................
Thanks frostbite, i am hoping the pc v is compatible with the 08 m8 it says 09 and newer but i will give them a call. Sure looks like a great product i too am mix matching parts and i think the auto tune function will be great i am thinking it will cost a couple hundred extra but will probably be worth it, thx again.
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Shelfrost
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My buddy runs one on his poo 800 and I've programmed it for him a few times. I like the ease of adjusting the fuel map in a graphical form, but it really sucks that you can't change it in the field. You make your adjustments then have to go for a ride and watch egts or o2 and hope it works for the day without burning down. Then you get home and try a few more adjustments, then ride and try again. I would rather use a controller you can make immediate adjustments on.
Huh, Shelfrost. I had no idea you couldn't adjust the Power Commander in the field.
I heard today from SLP that the fuel mapping between the PCIII and PC5 are NOT compatible. Once again, I had no idea. I plan to use Regan's theory of "Trust but Verify" to ensure that is the case.
Frosty
I heard today from SLP that the fuel mapping between the PCIII and PC5 are NOT compatible. Once again, I had no idea. I plan to use Regan's theory of "Trust but Verify" to ensure that is the case.
Frosty
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Please keep talkin...........
I have interest in this thread. Sounds like a great concept but maybe a few issues yet???.............don't know. The product is coming from great minds and quality companies.......hope they can get it to work for all of us.........and yes, in the field (preferably mountain
)
Please keep talkin', I'm listening!!
I have interest in this thread. Sounds like a great concept but maybe a few issues yet???.............don't know. The product is coming from great minds and quality companies.......hope they can get it to work for all of us.........and yes, in the field (preferably mountain
) Please keep talkin', I'm listening!!
I just got it and have not used it riding yet, but it appears that the boondocker box would be a quick fix in the field to add a little more fuel or take some away. They give you a battery plug in so you can use it without the engine running. You can have up to 5 pre programmed maps, that can be changed by pushing a few buttons, or you can edit any of the 5 maps and use it immediately. Fairly simple menu driven system. We will see in 6 months how it works with my minor mods, of which Speedwerx is cool and will provide a suggested fuel map they say should be close.
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I think with the optional lcd unit on the PC III you can make the adjustments in the field, but i am really liking the sound of this PC V with the autotune function. I sure hope it will work on the 08 looks like its going to cost a few bucks though, if i do end up having to go with the PC III i think i would pick up the wideband commander and lcd unit and go on a few test runs 1st with my laptop, i wish the tuning center here would tune sleds that would make startup easy.
I have posed the fuel map compatibility question to the technicians at Power Commander, I'll have to wait to see what I get back.
In speaking to SLP technicians yesterday, I asked them how the fuel mapping programs are determined. I was told that they have one guy (I can't remember the name) who is absolutely incredible with building pipes and tunning the sleds to an amazingly high (but reliable) state of tune. I was told that just about every sled manufacturer has tried to lure him away.
This gentleman takes an engine and designs the pipe and literally spends days slowly accending the RPM scale, stopping every 50 RPM and holding the engine there. He then plays with adding fuel and/or taking away fuel until he reaches the peak horse power attainable within the air/fuel ratio perimeter he is after.
Once he gets the most (safe) power from the engine he then takes the sled out on the snow and tests it with very precise test gear.
I was glad to hear that the fuel mapping programs are custom designed for each pipe/performance edition package and not some mass produced WAG at what the fuel mapping should be.
I know that this is a mountains led but, I have been told by about four guys now at SLP, that their M8 performance edition package absolutely rips. In fact, at the end of the (07-08) season, they lined up all their sleds (no turbos) from modded XPs, to modded 800 Dragons, Modded M1000s and to everyone's surprise the M8 with the perfromance edition package ran away from all of them, big time. They first thought that it was because they had a light weight rider on it but, they put their heaviest rider on it and ran them again and again and regardless of who was riding the M8, it crushed everything else.
This all may be merely marketing hype but, if it is, they all sure have their
stories in sync.
In speaking to SLP technicians yesterday, I asked them how the fuel mapping programs are determined. I was told that they have one guy (I can't remember the name) who is absolutely incredible with building pipes and tunning the sleds to an amazingly high (but reliable) state of tune. I was told that just about every sled manufacturer has tried to lure him away.
This gentleman takes an engine and designs the pipe and literally spends days slowly accending the RPM scale, stopping every 50 RPM and holding the engine there. He then plays with adding fuel and/or taking away fuel until he reaches the peak horse power attainable within the air/fuel ratio perimeter he is after.
Once he gets the most (safe) power from the engine he then takes the sled out on the snow and tests it with very precise test gear.
I was glad to hear that the fuel mapping programs are custom designed for each pipe/performance edition package and not some mass produced WAG at what the fuel mapping should be.
I know that this is a mountains led but, I have been told by about four guys now at SLP, that their M8 performance edition package absolutely rips. In fact, at the end of the (07-08) season, they lined up all their sleds (no turbos) from modded XPs, to modded 800 Dragons, Modded M1000s and to everyone's surprise the M8 with the perfromance edition package ran away from all of them, big time. They first thought that it was because they had a light weight rider on it but, they put their heaviest rider on it and ran them again and again and regardless of who was riding the M8, it crushed everything else.
This all may be merely marketing hype but, if it is, they all sure have their
stories in sync.
I guess the "autotune" thing throws me. Wouldn't you want to change the mapping to increase performance? Perhaps the autotune tries to find that 13:2 ratio or some other ideal ratio at all times.
I like the wideband product they sell. That gives some feedback on your air/fuel ratio which would be key if you were making changes to the map.
Some cool stuff.
I like the wideband product they sell. That gives some feedback on your air/fuel ratio which would be key if you were making changes to the map.
Some cool stuff.
I spoke to them yesterday and the new power commander v is only available for 09 or newer, so it looks like for my 08 i will have to go with the pcIII. I think the wideband and a lcd will be a must have for this unit, like i say its to bad the tuning centre here only does Harley's kinda pisses me off but oh well i will figure it out. I actually just spoke to a guy who tunes bikes and he said its pretty easy to tune with a field test and a laptop but i will need to purchase a air fuel guage and just monitor at different rpm write them down and make adjustments accordingly seems pretty simple. Warning if you are from Canada buy it from a Canadian dealer or warranty is void.
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