So right now I have a 2008 Apex 40th MTX, pretty much stock except a CE 2.5 and a 19 tooth top gear. Sled has been awesome to say the least, never a second of trouble. Rode a 2013 1100t last weekend, stock, absolutely loved it, power is perfect for me, but scared of the belt issues, are most issues happening with non stock or stock sleds?? I have another friend with one that has gone through 5-6 belts this season (his has a boondockers on it), all of them have blown over his clutch then disintegrated. Just looking for input. Also is a 12 much different than a 13? Might see if I can find a 12 holdover, depending on $$.
possibly jumping ship next year
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What type of riding do you mostly do? If you like the lay down style handlebar setup and are not a side hilling monster all the time, you might like the 12 just fine, especially comming off an Apex. There also seemed to be, "fewer" belt issues with the 12's. The big difference I noticed on the 13 is the handlebar position, narrow frontend, and 2.6 track. These changes made quite a positive difference for me over a 12. But, it really comes down to riding style. Some good deals on 12 and 13 sleds out there.
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Have to wait till next season before i will know for sure, but believe it or not i like my Apex, but need something with a bit more power, no point in me putting a turbo on mine as money wise it isnt worth it (think they want 8g up here for an installed system) I mostly boondock, and play on hills. Sidehilling is very simple on the Apex, so if a 12 is comparable to that it should be ok, are the skids adjustable for stance on these?
For sure get a 13', the 2.6 track alone is worth the little extra you will pay for a 13. Plus the vehicle steering on the 13' and all the other little things they did. You will love a 1100t coming off an apex. Some seem to have belt problems when others do not. Doesn't matter if its stock or modified for the belt issues. I have a friend who has been through 5 belts on his stock sled this year while I have only lost one belt on my 300hp super chute turbo sled.
I have done no engine or clutch mods, other than a straight pipe, and have 700 miles on my original belt. If that makes you feel any better?
I have a 2012.
I have a 2012.
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Cryme_Ariver
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I have a 2012 and haven't had one problem with it. 600 miles on the original belt. I have the narrow ski stance, vertical steering and a bunch of other extras on my 12. Can't tell much difference between mine and a 13'
jump ship.
i have an apex mtx ,i dropped 110 lbs. on this sled with a power claw track and light weight parts.the dependability is the same and the power to weight ratio is much improved .
or u could find a used supercharger or even buy a modded apex or nytro.
but i would stay away from those pro climb cats
we have a ton of them in our shop with more problems than i can list.
were also a yammy dealer nytro is the most dependable by far.
i have an apex mtx ,i dropped 110 lbs. on this sled with a power claw track and light weight parts.the dependability is the same and the power to weight ratio is much improved .
or u could find a used supercharger or even buy a modded apex or nytro.
but i would stay away from those pro climb cats
we have a ton of them in our shop with more problems than i can list.
were also a yammy dealer nytro is the most dependable by far.
There is nothing wrong with the ProClimbs as long as the offset is correct you shouldn't blow a belt on the 1100T I would suggest going with a 13 or 14 alot more improvements. I had an Apex dropped a ton of weight still not what I wanted the 1100t's feel perfect don't let these belt threads and all this crap discourage you.. We have sold at least 7 1100t's with very little problems and a couple are running some EVO stuff on them and working great..
Are you on glue? So all the guys complaining that they spend more on belt than on gas are lieing? Stock these things eat belts bad. With a bunch of upgrades they are better but not awesome.
i have a 2012 1100t sno pro with 1600 miles on it only on second belt i only have a pipe and vents
I came from a Apex and Absolutly love the 1100T. This motor is incredibly strong.
You can buy mine. It is a 12 with almost all of the 13 updates done the only thing that is not done is the new track. It has about 5-6 thousand dollars in performance upgrades that you can either keep or do away with. Has around 600 miles on it.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340056
You can buy mine. It is a 12 with almost all of the 13 updates done the only thing that is not done is the new track. It has about 5-6 thousand dollars in performance upgrades that you can either keep or do away with. Has around 600 miles on it.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340056
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Hillclimbpro
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I would have to say its not all sleds that have problems. I have a 12' with Evo BC 275 and I'm still on the original belt 700+ miles. Maybe some did not get set up right from the get go which cause them to create excess heat and ruin the bushings in the primary or secondary and could be causing them to bind and that's why you can't keep a belt on them. I have seen two sleds with bad bushings and once they were replaced the belt problems were gone. I know it's not all of the problems but I think it's one of the bigger ones. Just my .02
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nosajlleb
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I agree some are belt eaters but a majority (usually silent) can't blow a belt and were trying.
I have the EVO 215flash and just beat the livin shiz outta my machine in Utah for a week and I still have the stock belt. I've never even seen a cord yet. FWIW I blew all my shocks have no track clips left on one side and had to JB weld my exchanger on the last day to avoid a helicopter ride and my belt looks great, still have the stocker and machine is at the 2000mile mark!
Only thing that sucks is that you have to be 5 secs. ahead of what you want to do and be prepared for your skis to drop off the planet in the deep pow, especially on the flats (I have the monster gen IIIs).
ARE YOU ON CRACK??? If the offset is set correct they are fine!!!! THERE ARE SOME THAT STILL BLOW A BELT ALL THE ONES BEING 2 THAT CAME IN WITH THE PROBLEM NEEDED THE OFFSET ADJUSTED AND HAVE NOT HAD A PROBLEM YET. EVEN TOWED OUT A DEAD NYTRO FROM A @#$T HOLE AND STILL NO BLOWN BELT.
Yes.. you're absolutely right, NOBODY is blowing belts for any other reason. The aftermarket guys like MVM, and racinstation... they're just blowing smoke about clutch work, you know how dishonest THOSE guys are... always trying to sell unneeded stuff
Come on man... can't you recognize that SOME (not all or most imo) sleds have other issues?
Do your homework...
I have a 2013 M1100T that is not a belt blower. BUT it isn't stock, and it sure as hell wasn't right from the crate, either. Because I was impatient to wait for the factory to ship the secondary clutch for my sled in August, I installed a Team Tied secondary from Racin Station & MDS weights. It was at this time I noticed that the offset and center to center distance was not correct on my sled, which I fixed before riding it. In 500 miles of mountain riding with an EVO 250 BC turbo, here is a list of my "issues"
- Trihub rear idler broke on left side (may have hit something)
- Chain worn out (stretched to the point of adjuster being useless)
- Couple of broken / stripped screws in chassis
- coolant was boiling in bottle when stopped
- slight seepage from chaincase gasket
- too much underhood heat
Installed vented side panels, intercooler fan, wrapped exhaust & added insulation to coolant bottle. Also added OVS wheelie coupler & exit shocks all the way around - I love this sled.
Now installing a c3 belt drive & 3" track, so have added OSP jackshaft support, engine snubber, and motor mounts (just to keep everything in line), also gearing sled down to 2.42:1 from 2.33:1 to turn that chunk of rubber easier.
I believe the secondary they come with is junk, and Cat should have paid better attention to center to center & offset when they were built, and the dealers selling them should have double checked at time of PDI, though a lot of dealers (usually big box stores) just bolt on the shocks & skis, and kick them out the door (not all of them). The sled has amazing potential if you are willing and able to set up your sled.
I have a 2013 M1100T that is not a belt blower. BUT it isn't stock, and it sure as hell wasn't right from the crate, either. Because I was impatient to wait for the factory to ship the secondary clutch for my sled in August, I installed a Team Tied secondary from Racin Station & MDS weights. It was at this time I noticed that the offset and center to center distance was not correct on my sled, which I fixed before riding it. In 500 miles of mountain riding with an EVO 250 BC turbo, here is a list of my "issues"
- Trihub rear idler broke on left side (may have hit something)
- Chain worn out (stretched to the point of adjuster being useless)
- Couple of broken / stripped screws in chassis
- coolant was boiling in bottle when stopped
- slight seepage from chaincase gasket
- too much underhood heat
Installed vented side panels, intercooler fan, wrapped exhaust & added insulation to coolant bottle. Also added OVS wheelie coupler & exit shocks all the way around - I love this sled.
Now installing a c3 belt drive & 3" track, so have added OSP jackshaft support, engine snubber, and motor mounts (just to keep everything in line), also gearing sled down to 2.42:1 from 2.33:1 to turn that chunk of rubber easier.
I believe the secondary they come with is junk, and Cat should have paid better attention to center to center & offset when they were built, and the dealers selling them should have double checked at time of PDI, though a lot of dealers (usually big box stores) just bolt on the shocks & skis, and kick them out the door (not all of them). The sled has amazing potential if you are willing and able to set up your sled.
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nosajlleb
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Yup a pocketful of cash definitely will make these things a hoot. How does yours steer when trying to initially move it with the narrow front end? I'm wondering if the narrower would turn easier in chest deep pow. If so I might consider keeping it and getting a gym membership.
Pocketful of cash...not really
I've no problem throwing this sled around BUT I am 6'2", 240 in gear with avy pack & tek vest. I also work on a conventional kelly drive drilling rig, so I may be in a bit better shape then the average middle aged man...I go to work instead of the gym. I'm not much of a climber anymore, most of my riding is backcountry exploring, picking my way through timber (I'm no Burandt though).
The M1100 isn't for everyone, but it is a better performer then the Apex in the mountains, dollar for dollar.
The team tied costs less then two belts, the measurements cost you nothing - excessive center to center can be "fixed" with a longer belt, offset can be corrected at minimal cost. Venting costs money - how much depends on you. I am fortunate to be a journeyman mechanic, so I repair / maintain all of my equipment.
I've no problem throwing this sled around BUT I am 6'2", 240 in gear with avy pack & tek vest. I also work on a conventional kelly drive drilling rig, so I may be in a bit better shape then the average middle aged man...I go to work instead of the gym. I'm not much of a climber anymore, most of my riding is backcountry exploring, picking my way through timber (I'm no Burandt though).
The M1100 isn't for everyone, but it is a better performer then the Apex in the mountains, dollar for dollar.
And for us Oil field workers- (I'm still a driller) who overall stay in shape ( yep at my age) the MT1100 is no 800 and there is just nothing in between anylonger.. so I cannot sit on the porch with underpowered 800's and justify to invest another $5K have all them gauges ( AGAIN
) to make it close to this 4 stroker. So ya we tweak some- and correct issues that generally plauge all manufactures ( they all have points that need attention) to harness a BC and enjoy the potential of this machine.. ya it a "Bit" larger but It's the "Bit" part that puts a smile on your face when you start to spool up!!!
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