shake dat *** for me shake dat *** fo me
anyone still dumb enough to defend c channel?
anyone still dumb enough to defend c channel?
Poor Toyota and Ford
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whats wrong? you dont like no tundra *** shakin down dat road?
poor ford, toyota, and c channel guys
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You must be trolling. Ok I'll bite, I've got a 2008 tundra 125k miles. That truck flat out out performs any gmc or ford product of that era. I've got a "truck based" Yukon Denali with 100k miles on it and it has had more problems with electrical/engine/mechanical than the toyota. In fact the tundra has only been to the dealership for oil changes.That truck out tows my fathers 2010 f250. So unless you have a actual experience with a "junk" open channel toyota I suggest you do so before you make these types of posts. Oh and as far as bed bounce, never had a problem with it. Of course I don't drive it through Fords test facilities either.
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Ok, I'll play too. The new Tundra's look good. But the interiors have always been straight out of a Coralla. I'm on my fifth GM truck and have never seen the reliability problems that other brand owners are so quick to talk about. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying you probably like your truck so much that it gets amplified. To each their own. Even though this thread is ghey, I agree that c channel is old school.
4 Wheel Drive
Tundra web site says:
4WDemand part-time 4WD with electronically controlled transfer case, Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) and Automatic Limited-Slip Differential (Auto LSD)
How does this do towing a large enclosed trailer? Does it really engage the front wheels to the extent the old fashioned transfer case does with 4 lo and 4 hi for choices, like my 2004 Suburban? I have the same question about some of the Denali gear as well.
I'll be in the market in 2015 and hopefully by then the new Silverado design will have gotten to the Suburban as well.
Tundra web site says:
4WDemand part-time 4WD with electronically controlled transfer case, Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) and Automatic Limited-Slip Differential (Auto LSD)
How does this do towing a large enclosed trailer? Does it really engage the front wheels to the extent the old fashioned transfer case does with 4 lo and 4 hi for choices, like my 2004 Suburban? I have the same question about some of the Denali gear as well.
I'll be in the market in 2015 and hopefully by then the new Silverado design will have gotten to the Suburban as well.
The GM System has a slip feature where if the rear wheels lose traction it will automatically engage 4x4 High. You also have the option to leave it locked in 2x4 or leave it locked in 4x4 high. You can go to low range for slow speeds but it requires you to be in neutral (pretty typical). I don't recommend allowing the truck to switch to 4x4 and 4x2 automatically, back and fourth for an extended period of time. It works great to save you if you are on a dry road, come around a corner and have an ice slick going across the road, or the road gets slick out of nowhere. Once you know the road is slick either slow down and leave it in 4x2 or engage 4x4 (and probably still slow down).
For 2014+ half ton GMC's the Denali will have a regular transfer case. 4x4 high and low availability. They are doing away with the full time AWD. The reason is the automatic transfer case does a great job of engaging 4x4 high when needed without the requirement of the AWD system which is always in but basically wastes energy (fuel). The Denali AWD system in the Yukon, XL and Sierra 1500 is a full time AWD system that can move "100% of the power to the front or rear wheels". That is kind of a trick statement. The power is split 50% to the front and back at ALL times. It can turn power off to the front or back in any %. So it never transfers 75% (insert any number here) to the rear wheels. It just turns 25% off to the front, more power never goes to the back. So to keep math simple lets say the truck has 100 horsepower. 50 to the rear and 50 to the front. It never sends more than 50 horsepower in either direction, it just turns power off to the opposite axle. So it can "send 100%" to the rear wheels but it is just sending 50 horsepower to the back and zero to the front, so it is a true statement because 100% of the (available) power is going to the rear wheels.
BTW, the new design of the Sierra/Silverado is going to the Suburban/Yukon. But they will not share internal components. They will use a different center console, different dashboard, door panels, etc. Similar design, but not shared.
Also the rear two rows of seats will fold 100% flat, similar to the Acadia. No more wrestling with seats.
You'll see triple sealed doors, doors, inset into the door jam. Same motors and driveline, same quiet tune features.
For 2014+ half ton GMC's the Denali will have a regular transfer case. 4x4 high and low availability. They are doing away with the full time AWD. The reason is the automatic transfer case does a great job of engaging 4x4 high when needed without the requirement of the AWD system which is always in but basically wastes energy (fuel). The Denali AWD system in the Yukon, XL and Sierra 1500 is a full time AWD system that can move "100% of the power to the front or rear wheels". That is kind of a trick statement. The power is split 50% to the front and back at ALL times. It can turn power off to the front or back in any %. So it never transfers 75% (insert any number here) to the rear wheels. It just turns 25% off to the front, more power never goes to the back. So to keep math simple lets say the truck has 100 horsepower. 50 to the rear and 50 to the front. It never sends more than 50 horsepower in either direction, it just turns power off to the opposite axle. So it can "send 100%" to the rear wheels but it is just sending 50 horsepower to the back and zero to the front, so it is a true statement because 100% of the (available) power is going to the rear wheels.
BTW, the new design of the Sierra/Silverado is going to the Suburban/Yukon. But they will not share internal components. They will use a different center console, different dashboard, door panels, etc. Similar design, but not shared.
Also the rear two rows of seats will fold 100% flat, similar to the Acadia. No more wrestling with seats.
You'll see triple sealed doors, doors, inset into the door jam. Same motors and driveline, same quiet tune features.
Suburban Changes
Sounds like nice changes and if I read your reply correctly, I don't need to worry with GM about losing the actual transfer case with 4 hi and 4 lo. My 2004 has the AWD setting but I can feel the back wheel spinning before I feel the front kick in and I was nervous to pull a large trailer on a snowy or slippery surface if that's all the control I was going to get.
Thanks for the info and am looking forward to seeing the new models.
Sounds like nice changes and if I read your reply correctly, I don't need to worry with GM about losing the actual transfer case with 4 hi and 4 lo. My 2004 has the AWD setting but I can feel the back wheel spinning before I feel the front kick in and I was nervous to pull a large trailer on a snowy or slippery surface if that's all the control I was going to get.
Thanks for the info and am looking forward to seeing the new models.
I love it that the guys who have a certain kind of truck, that "apparently" did not test as well as the Ford, come out and puff their chests about their specific truck.
Just to provide a bit of perspective here:
I look at this test and think to myself "Who f'ing cares"
Frankly who pushes their truck of any brand and rides in these sort of test conditions anyway?
If I were faced with a road like this, I would slow way the "F" down and take it easy. I would say most people are like that.
Bottom line for 95% of truck buyers/owners, they dont go down roads like this.
So what that the other models in that specific test, jump around more........
Nobody cares
I am sure that GM, Toyota, and Dodge could design tests that favor their truck models over the competition. Just look hard enough and you can find a meaningless test like the ones in the videos above.
People do not buy trucks on these sort of "un-world like" experiences.
More people buy based on dealer location, what they had before, what their friends have, resale value, power, torque, durability, and alot of other things.
Have perspective people, all the models tested, I would love to have in my garage.........
Just to provide a bit of perspective here:
I look at this test and think to myself "Who f'ing cares"
Frankly who pushes their truck of any brand and rides in these sort of test conditions anyway?
If I were faced with a road like this, I would slow way the "F" down and take it easy. I would say most people are like that.
Bottom line for 95% of truck buyers/owners, they dont go down roads like this.
So what that the other models in that specific test, jump around more........
Nobody cares
I am sure that GM, Toyota, and Dodge could design tests that favor their truck models over the competition. Just look hard enough and you can find a meaningless test like the ones in the videos above.
People do not buy trucks on these sort of "un-world like" experiences.
More people buy based on dealer location, what they had before, what their friends have, resale value, power, torque, durability, and alot of other things.
Have perspective people, all the models tested, I would love to have in my garage.........
I thought I was the only one who noticed this.......
Here is the bottom line for me on this. I tell my wife, if it is slippery put it in AWD (Because if I tell her to put it in 4WD, she will forget to take it back out and drive it on dry pavement making tight turns)
If I am pulling something or on the HWY, and I even think it is getting slippery, I put it in 4WD, so there is not lag between rear wheel slip and the front wheels kicking in (AWD). n When I get back on snowless pavement I put it back into AWD or 2WD
All it takes sometimes is for the rear wheels to break loose, and she begins to come around before the AWD front wheel drive kicks in...
It's improved quite a bit from 2004.
It works better at higher speeds than super slow.
About the speed bump test that ford does. It's a designed test. Drive the ford slower or faster than their set speed and everything changes. They found a perfect speed for their truck and ran it at that speed. GM has a video with them going like 3 mph faster than this test and the ford gets destroyed.
GM also has a test there they show the trucks on an articulation ramp. Basically the passenger side drives up one side the driver side is on flat ground. When you do the test you can't open or close a tailgate on the Ford. GM you can both open and close it. What does it mean? Who knows. Not sure how that applies in real world.
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It works better at higher speeds than super slow.
About the speed bump test that ford does. It's a designed test. Drive the ford slower or faster than their set speed and everything changes. They found a perfect speed for their truck and ran it at that speed. GM has a video with them going like 3 mph faster than this test and the ford gets destroyed.
GM also has a test there they show the trucks on an articulation ramp. Basically the passenger side drives up one side the driver side is on flat ground. When you do the test you can't open or close a tailgate on the Ford. GM you can both open and close it. What does it mean? Who knows. Not sure how that applies in real world.
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Ford seems to market their vehicles in what I would consider a very deceiving fashion. Back in 2004 they claimed they had the largest bed capacity, which intrigued me because I hauled dirtbikes and wanted a 4 door with bed space long enough to close the tailgate with my bike in the back....they also claimed the biggest cab (by 6") in its class, so i asked the salesman where they got the extra 6" cab space because I knew they couldn't take it from forward of the firewall, and sure enough they stole it from the bed. So how do they claim to have the biggest cab AND the biggest bed capacity? They increased the depth of the bed by over 2"....enough that I couldn't reach over the bed rail to grab something from the bed without having to get into the bed to reach it.
Long story short, the "real world" use of what Ford markets is quite different than what Ford always claims. The above is just one example.....
Toyota's a good truck, as I had one of their 2004 Tundras and it served me quite well. I needed more power and payload than what it could produce, so I now have a GMC 3500 Duramax....the more I drive it the less I think of the wonderful Tundra I used to have. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.
Long story short, the "real world" use of what Ford markets is quite different than what Ford always claims. The above is just one example.....
Toyota's a good truck, as I had one of their 2004 Tundras and it served me quite well. I needed more power and payload than what it could produce, so I now have a GMC 3500 Duramax....the more I drive it the less I think of the wonderful Tundra I used to have. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.
FORD, GMC, DODGE.. made in AMERICA. toyota/nissan never will be a quality truck like the big 3.. or come 100% from America.
I support America as much as possible..
Wish ALL the sledders out there would do the same. However I would guess at least 90% of us do, as must of us have to trailer our sleds, and we all know those rice burners just don't get it done like the BIG 3 do.
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I support America as much as possible..
Wish ALL the sledders out there would do the same. However I would guess at least 90% of us do, as must of us have to trailer our sleds, and we all know those rice burners just don't get it done like the BIG 3 do.
NUFF SAID !!
pretty sure my dmax says it was made in canada on the door sticker. last i heard lots of the "american" trucks are made in canada or mexico and Toyota has a plant in the u.s............just sayin
come to think of it, both my truck and my sled are american with a jap engine and both are concidered to have the best powertrain. japs must be good at somethin.
come to think of it, both my truck and my sled are american with a jap engine and both are concidered to have the best powertrain. japs must be good at somethin.
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But where is that money going to? Toyota has you fooled because Toyota corp is in Japan. Sure, they pay some peeps in the USA but the bulk of that money is going to Japan. Just say'n.
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qbeam
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@WYOAC700 As has been stated Toyota trucks are made in the good ol USA. Employing hard working Americans. Putting money in there pockets so they can add to the economy.
As far as the big three having the best quality, that's debatable and certainly has forums on this topic. Owning and driving all but Dodge I still think the Japanese understand quality and execution on that quality beyond where the US is today. FYI I own a GMC Yukon and a Jeep GC so I am well aware of the quality of US products.
If you are so gung-ho about keeping your money stateside you better sell any sled you own. Don't shop at Walmart. Oh and sell your truck because GMC is owned in part by Canadians (at least 140 million shares worth). So I guess no matter what you do there is some foreigner pocketing your money.
BTW- great job in swallowing the "big three's" marketing slogans. I find it awesome that when you can't compete on quality you throw up the old, hey buy our product, that is inferior, because it has a made in the USA stamp on it.
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As far as the big three having the best quality, that's debatable and certainly has forums on this topic. Owning and driving all but Dodge I still think the Japanese understand quality and execution on that quality beyond where the US is today. FYI I own a GMC Yukon and a Jeep GC so I am well aware of the quality of US products.
If you are so gung-ho about keeping your money stateside you better sell any sled you own. Don't shop at Walmart. Oh and sell your truck because GMC is owned in part by Canadians (at least 140 million shares worth). So I guess no matter what you do there is some foreigner pocketing your money.
BTW- great job in swallowing the "big three's" marketing slogans. I find it awesome that when you can't compete on quality you throw up the old, hey buy our product, that is inferior, because it has a made in the USA stamp on it.
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a fair bit of that money is goin to pay honest hardworking americans wages, ya most probably goes to japan but some goes to the little man here that needs it. that's better than the american companies paying to outsource the work technically takin jobs away from americans. american made to me means made by americans in america, not made by an american company in mexico. don't get me wrong, I'm a Chevy guy through and through but im not blind enough to believe that a vehicle that says right on it that it was made in canada is "made in the usa" just cuz it has an american name on it. i say its better to pay a few foreign corporate ceos and put money in possibly thousands of americans pockets than to pay a few american ceos and put money in foreign pockets so said ceos can save a buck to further pad there wallet.
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FORD, GMC, DODGE.. made in AMERICA. toyota/nissan never will be a quality truck like the big 3.. or come 100% from America.
I support America as much as possible..
Wish ALL the sledders out there would do the same. However I would guess at least 90% of us do, as must of us have to trailer our sleds, and we all know those rice burners just don't get it done like the BIG 3 do.
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Bwhahahahaha thanks captain america. Do "all sledders" live in the USA now?
My father worked for Toyota for 30 years and myself for nearly 10. They paid a lot of bills in my family and drove a lot of trouble-free miles. Toyota wages paid for my Polaris sled, so that oughta perk up yer Stars and Stripes underpants. But by you logic I guess my next sled has to be a doo
I have nothing against US auto manufacturers and have owned a few gm products that were just fine. But there are other good products out there, and it's truly a global economy these days. All vehicles are assembled all over the world with parts from all over the world.
Auto head offices are peanuts in average-joe job creation compared to manufacturing, assembly and dealer networks...that's the stuff to look at. Regardless of where the controlling powers reside, they are massively wealthy individuals, exempt from most taxes, and contribute jack sh1t to the economy that average joe lives in.
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RCR3
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Wealthy people contribute a hundred if not a thousand times more in to an economy! They buy large ticket items like multi million dollar homes second homes one or two cabins on some lake or mountain retreat! Buy toys to play on at such locations and multiples of them! They tend to rarely be a burden on any society!
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