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plug your ported track holes

Seriously? With all the variables in sledding do you actually think you would notice a difference plugging 2 stupid holes in the track?

Of course the guy selling it says it works.....and no one's going to prove him wrong because no one can tell the difference of plugging 2 stupid holes in the track.

PM for pricing on my ported coolant overflow bottle kit. It's overflow anyways, why carry that extra weight around? Also relieves backpressure in the cooling system, so the water pump doesn't have to work so hard, frees up lots of hp....first 10 PM's get 20% off but act fast cause we can't do this all day


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Is rolling resistance really an issue on new sleds with extrovert drivers?
I just swapped my stock challenger 153 ac track for a ported A-20.
Not only is the A-20 single ply, but it is ported.
My stock track rolled just as easily as this track, maybe even easier.
I only paid 100 bucks for the track, so I'm not complaining, but why do people port the track so the holes ride over the rear idlers?
I gained some vibration due to this, thats the only difference I have noticed.
Can't really comment on snow in the skid, although it seemed about the same.
 
Seriously? With all the variables in sledding do you actually think you would notice a difference plugging 2 stupid holes in the track?

Of course the guy selling it says it works.....and no one's going to prove him wrong because no one can tell the difference of plugging 2 stupid holes in the track.

PM for pricing on my ported coolant overflow bottle kit. It's overflow anyways, why carry that extra weight around? Also relieves backpressure in the cooling system, so the water pump doesn't have to work so hard, frees up lots of hp....first 10 PM's get 20% off but act fast cause we can't do this all day


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2 holes???? 116 holes to be exact. You really don't think when you are in the deeeeep, it doesn't let snow in? If you never really ride deep snow,,,, then it wouldn't make any difference. Wonder how much the snow weights in your track.
 
.... You really don't think when you are in the deeeeep, it doesn't let snow in?

Brilliant!!!!! Buy that man a beer.

This is my first year on a Ski-Doo with the factory ported track. In the powder I can’t tell any difference from my old Polaris non ported track. Both had a fair amount bouncing around in the skid when ever I stopped to rest. I could believe it squirts it out quicker on the trail back to the parking lot but who cares then?
 
2 holes???? 116 holes to be exact. You really don't think when you are in the deeeeep, it doesn't let snow in? If you never really ride deep snow,,,, then it wouldn't make any difference. Wonder how much the snow weights in your track.

2 holes across. Given the choice, all I ride is deep snow, and that's how I know that there's no damn way you'll notice a difference. Maybe if you ride in a laboratory you could measure a difference....but in the real world of changing snow conditions, temperatures and elevations, am I going to spend money to plug holes that other guys are spending money to drill? Hell no.
 
Jam a 1" stick in one of those holes that is still hooked to a tree log with the track turning at about 65 mph and watch what happens. Track out the back. No more snow buildup in the tunnel.
 
2 holes across. Given the choice, all I ride is deep snow, and that's how I know that there's no damn way you'll notice a difference. Maybe if you ride in a laboratory you could measure a difference....but in the real world of changing snow conditions, temperatures and elevations, am I going to spend money to plug holes that other guys are spending money to drill? Hell no.

But then again,,,,, you have never tried it,,, or compared 2 sleds, side by side.. We have..
 
Unbelievable. :rolleyes: Just leave the holes, they are no disadvantage in the deep, the +'s outweight the -'s.
 
Jam a 1" stick in one of those holes that is still hooked to a tree log with the track turning at about 65 mph and watch what happens. Track out the back. No more snow buildup in the tunnel.

My thoughts exactly!!

I cringe every time I see someone go through a 1" tree top sticking out of the snow.. seen it destroy a track twice.

One good thing about a ported track, when the rail tips spear the track, it doesn't bend the rails..:cool: the track rips cleanly apart.
 
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But then again,,,,, you have never tried it,,, or compared 2 sleds, side by side.. We have..
If you want to be technical, you already know that 1lb of rotating mass is worth roughly 4lbs of stationary mass in terms of hp:weight

Considering what people in the sled world will do/spend to lose a couple of stationary pounds, I imagine weight loss X's 4 would be as good a postive, as the potential loss in floatation would be a negative.

Sell whatever you want, but it sounds like useless crap to me. Modding for the point of modding, rather than for the purpose of benefit.
 
I think that Reeber hit it and so did JayNelson and all you other guys with ported tracks.

Where did the we come up with idea that your sled is going to have less floatation with a ported track? From less surface area on the snow right?.........a great physics principle but mis-applied to sledding.

These assumptions of less surface area are all predicated on the basis that your sled is sitting stationary on the snow to enjoy those theories of surface area to weight ratio (ported tracks would have less surface area due to the lesser amount of track area on the snow). But none of us ride our sleds stationary, so its a pointless argument, as the track and snow dynamics change as we add speed as a factor in the equation. Once the track has attained any amount of speed, and based on the way a track performs on the snow, many of you would probably change your opinion on ported vs unported.

Most modern rubber paddle tracks bend at the tip slightly, which means the paddles are folding back into the space behind them (when moving forward on the sled, the paddle tips would bend towards the front of the sled). The track is also spinning in the snow towards the rear of the sled, creating voids in the snow behind each paddle. This elevates the track and paddles as it pushes the snow down, away from the flat areas of the track where the ported holes are. More snow is pushed into the space behind each paddle buy the following paddle, but a void space is created. This is what we call an "undeniable truth", and is simply supported due to the fact that sleds dig trenches (holes) and ejecting snow behind them, a void space has to be created in order for more snow to be removed and a deeper hole to be created (this process is repeated rapidly and therefore your sled digs a hole to "China" so to speak).

Depending on track speed and snow conditions, the void created behind each paddle can be larger or smaller depending on many factors. Porting will allow snow to evacuate from the tunnel at the rear idlers much faster than a non-ported track. The momentum at the rear idlers is immense as the track is continually changing direction (180 degrees) which throws the snow against the track. It is also forced out the ported holes by the idlers through mechanical force if the wheels are in the ported spot. Without porting, snow is retained in the track area or exits through the windows only. This is a benefit to the sliders mainly, as more retained snow means more lubrication, although I feel that sufficient lubrication is still (and mainly) provided by the factory windows of the track underneath the rails.

The majority of snow entering the track does not come from the porting within the track, it comes from the sides. Powder snow like BC's will enter the track wherever it can. Harder snow like well setup spring type snow will benefit more from porting IMO as it will not enter through the sides as easily but will be able to be evacuated faster.

There are benefits and drawbacks to both ported and non-ported tracks, however overall the benefits seem to outweigh the drawbacks. Adding any increase in rotating mass and potential for "projectiles" to be coming from your track is not wise IMO. If you think that hooking your ported track on a 1" tree is bad, wait til you spin it on a rock and hook a few of those plugs and tear them loose, scraping the rivets and lexan plugs along your coolers.

Just my engineering thoughts on the subject. :)

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I would be willing to put money on a non ported track to hold up better than a ported one while spinning over rocks too.
I guess if a ported track had no lugs, it would sink faster, like a cheese grater, but with the lugs, the chances of the snow migrating in would be minimal.
As for rotating mass, a track weighs the same whether it is spinning or not. Rotating mass effects handling more than anything, the gyro effect.
The starting and stopping of this rotating mass though, is affected by the weight..
 
You guys are correct..... less weight means less rotating mass, and is faster. You can buy a track that doesn't have any porting,,,, our tracks are lighter, with the flappers. But is a little heavier that the stock track.

Once again,,,,, if you haven't tried it,,, you don't know what you are talking about.
 
mass, a track weighs the same whether it is spinning or not. Rotating mass effects handling more than anything, the gyro effect.
The starting and stopping of this rotating mass though, is affected by the weight..
To clarify, it takes 4 times the effort to accelerate or decelerate 1 lb of rotating weight vs 1lb of stationary weight.
 
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