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wag13

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I am sick and tired of my ski-doo breaking!!!! I have a great dealer for Yamaha in the area and the only other dealer is cat, and I'm not going there....these days for me it's more about reliability than "ride ability" (the lightest sled) for me. I want something that I know I can get on and it will run and run and all I need is gas and oil.....but still in the back of my mind I keep thinking this thing is going to be to much of a pig and idk if I can throw it around like I want...so I want to hear from the guys on the turbo nytros that go out and boondock just like the guy on the Pros and the Doos...by the way I'm 17. 6"1' and 170lbs. Also let me know what set ups you have that make it easier to throw around

THANKS WAG
 
Nytro

In our group we all ride yamahas with 174's and we will take any 2stroke in the tight trees and see if they can keep up. A couple ride 800's and are great riders but cant keep up in deep snow. My nytro has a 3" and you can stop almost anywhere and they have the get up and go to pull out of tree wells or whatever. Dont be afraid to buy one. Love the reliability and power is sweet and i have had mine 4 years now and would never go back. I had a xp before this and liked it but didnt have enough power for me and going from a xp to a nytro is similar and easy to get comfortable on. As for the weight you dont notice it with the power. I say go for it!!!!!
 
I'll be the first to admit, they take a little more oomph to wrestle around. However, after the first time you feel boost kick in and you nearly get blown off the back of the sled - All that talk about weight goes right out the window. If you have any amount of powder a boosted 4 is nothing but pure fun. On hard pack they can be a little more of a handful, but they are still LOTS of fun.

I did have my Nytro not start on 2 occasions. The first I wasn't smart enough to check the kill switch. The second time my battery cable had worked loose and wasn't getting a good connection.
 
Since your in SD, look up Ulmer Racing. He is big into yami's & in your state.
 
Got about 200 miles on my TNytro now after saying goodbye to my pump gas TM8, and im in love. My M8 worked great for what it was, never really had motor issues at all, but just wanted to try something different. I opted for a 162" track, and its incredible. At about 240hp the way its setup its just as capable in tight tree's as my 153" Cat was. Im sure things will change a bit when the snow sets up a bit, its likely to take more work, but in everyday riding i couldnt love this Nytro more. Ill get some vids uploaded asap.
 
I just sold my 860XP that was all blinged up for a Turbo Apex. It aint a Nytro, but it works very well in the trees. Check out my thread with some tree action video. That was my first trip in the trees and only my second ride on the Apex. Once I feel totally comfortable on it, I will take it places my XP wouldnt go! And yes, when you push the loud handle, you wont care how much it weighs.
 
Great thread Wag...Im in the same boat. As soon as i can sell my M8 im buying a nytro...Slowly but surely the 2 stroke is become a dinosaur IMO. Might have to sell a kidney to get a MCX Kit for it :face-icon-small-ton
 
I have a lightened Nytro and a somewhat lightened Supercharged Nytro. N/A Nytro is mid 500s wet on weight and is amazing to ride. Super Nytro is right at 600 lbs wet and takes a little more work to ride but to be honest my arms hurt not from sidehilling...but from trying to keep the torque from pulling my arms out of the sockets trying to hang on.

If you buy a Nytro and it is too heavy there is alot of weight you can remove. What I mean is if you buy one and cannot take the weight it is fixable. Actually, it is because of the engine brake guys think the Yamahas feel real heavy in the front. Yes they may be a little heavier but letting off the gas fast and having the engine brake kick in makes the front plunge like it weighs more than the Titanic. Fix is learn to ride it without slapping the throttle off.

Got the girlfriend to ride the N/A Nytro and she said bye bye to the 2008 Polaris Dragon. She is only 5 feet tall and said the Nytro is easier to ride.

And of course, your mileage may vary.........................
 
The reliability is awesome, Boosted power done right is even better. The weight, in anything but fresh powder will show its ugly face.

I got 7 years on an apex with over 100lbs removed from it and with 10lbs of boost its a blast to ride. BUT, when the powder dries up it will flat wear you out! Eric
 
First off I think you are saying your 17?
I wish when I was 17 I could make changes like this and afford a used $20000.00 dollar sled or a newer one worth more.
But anyway that's not what your asking.
I see a lot of sledders that have started with the 2 stroke and then went 4 stroke with power adders and spent in the upwards to 45 g .
Rode for 3 to 4 years and then sell for whatever they could get out of them.
Then go back to a two stroke as they quite lying to them selves about all the fun they were not having handling the extra weight.
Anyone that spends anytime sledding can tell the difference . I now they are impressive and you can't find a better sled as far as quality.
Have buddy's that have turbo Apexs and Nytros with some running in the 380 +hp range.
They also have 2 stroke sleds for the deep light snow days that they seem to run more than the others.
Everything has its place and if you want big power and have the funds 4 all the way but be prepared to spend the money on fuel as well.
IMO until we see some for time on the newer 2 stroke turbos I would stick to the 4 stroke for turboing or live with a little less power and ride the other with better suspension and deep snow mobility if that's what your into. My 2 cents
 
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What others have stated above is about as accurate as you can get. In the powder they flat out rock. On setup snow they flat out wear you out if your trying to find snow. 2 sleds is what someone needs. 4stroke turbo for the good days and a light 2 stroke for the crappy days. Im one that is trying to sell a 4 stroke turbo with just about every mod under the sun. If it was deep snow everyday i wouldnt even think twice about selling it. Sadly the good snow seems to never be around here anymore. SO going to try my luck at a 2stroke turbo. granted im not too fond of knowing im going to not have the reliabilty as with the 4 stroke. Plus im ready to buy more goodies for sleds and as it sits right now there just plain isnt anything more to buy.
 
pfi572 said:
First off I think you are saying your 17?
I wish when I was 17 I could make changes like this and afford a used $20000.00 dollar sled or a newer one worth more.
But anyway that's not what your asking.
I see a lot of sledders that have started with the 2 stroke and then went 4 stroke with power adders and spent in the upwards to 45 g .
Rode for 3 to 4 years and then sell for whatever they could get out of them.
Then go back to a two stroke as they quite lying to them selves about all the fun they were not having handling the extra weight.
Anyone that spends anytime sledding can tell the difference . I now they are impressive and you can't find a better sled as far as quality.
Have buddy's that have turbo Apexs and Nytros with some running in the 380 +hp range.
They also have 2 stroke sleds for the deep light snow days that they seem to run more than the others.
Everything has its place and if you want big power and have the funds 4 all the way but be prepared to spend the money on fuel as well.
IMO until we see some for time on the newer 2 stroke turbos I would stick to the 4 stroke for turboing or live with a little less power and ride the other with better suspension and deep snow mobility if that's what your into. My 2 cents
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That makes tons of sense. Thanks man. I think what this has taught me is that I'm just gonna buy a brand new stock sled, leave it that way and get my *** in shape cause I'll probably get stuck more, but at least my sled will be there for me every weekend!

THANKS PFI
 
convince me

I bought an 08 nytro with a stage 3 MPI supercharger pullied for 15 lbs. boost. I paid 8k for it with a 150 miles on it. I have spent a grand getting it set up correctly so I am invested 9k. It is my favorite all time sled, it has arm pulling power and will climb like no other. The hardest thing I had to get used to is it is to maneuverable even tippy so I had to learn to ease in and out of turns and not over lean. After I got used to that I only feel the weight when I get stuck. Up through the trees it is easy to maneuver and almost effortless. I have found when the snow hardens up you have to get off the throttle a little to make it maneuver without pulling out of the turn and making it hard to work with. I get home and do not stink like two stroke exhaust and I can spend my time and money modifying rather than repairing. I will never go back to 2 strokes.
 
This is season 4 for me on a boosted Nytro. I have spent way more than I like to think about trying to get the sled to handle the power a turbo makes. For me I love doing projects like this, but be prepared to shell out some serious coin.

On the deep days I love the power. When i jump on a a stock sled on those days, it feels like it its powered by a lawn mower engine. On the lower snow days or the high Avy risk days, I find myself in the tight trees and this things plays me out! I rarely need to use more than part throttle with the odd short WFO, so it's not really necessary to have that much HP in those riding conditions.

So right now I find myself looking for a lightly used pro rmk to have for those days and for a back up. Can I justify two sleds for the amount I ride? Hell no! But having the option to ride two very different sleds for two very different types of riding/conditions is the way to go IMO.
 
look for deals. yamaha dealer in edmonton has a 40th anniversary apex mtx with a 290 mcx kit on it 0 km on it they want 15000 because they are no longer a yamaha sled dealer.spend 15000 get 290 reliable power or buy a new 160 hp two stroke same price. just have to decide if you want a view from the top or from the bottom.
 
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