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Perks motor balancing and clutch balancing problems
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did ya win???
I completely understand. Its funny when I questioned him about him balancing the a TRA that was woren out he never posted an explaination.
You could hear the parts inside the clutch rattle when it slowed down.
Dan
Especially in snowmobiling the old saying applies, "if its seems too good to be true, it probably is".
Anal
Ok so watched vids all day.I'm no aerospace guy or rocket scientist and have no knowledge about what is going on.
What I did notice one guy is very anal about his stuff.Every thing was top dollar
polished cleaned and the instruments tools very professional.Even the filming was pretty top notch as well as the narrating.
In other videos I saw sheets hanging dirty surfaces and not a top notch shop and wouldn't like a engine hanging out in the open especially half assembled.The narrating was very hard to understand.But did see some magic performed with the disappearing vibration.
My garage looks like 7perks but i am not working on other guys sleds either .
Got to feel bad for the poor poo guy and .............well hope he gets to ride and it doesn't grenade. Nothing worse than having your sled down when snows on the ground.But he had to of seen where the sled got dropped off at. First thing I noticed. Just my observation.
Like youtube how did I end up getting here?. Was looking at Cat jetting this morning...........................:: and now being entertained by this.
Been laughing all day at some of the comments. Pretty smart guys on here.Will go back to where I belong to the cat forums.Sorry for ending up here.
Ok so watched vids all day.I'm no aerospace guy or rocket scientist and have no knowledge about what is going on.
What I did notice one guy is very anal about his stuff.Every thing was top dollar
polished cleaned and the instruments tools very professional.Even the filming was pretty top notch as well as the narrating.
In other videos I saw sheets hanging dirty surfaces and not a top notch shop and wouldn't like a engine hanging out in the open especially half assembled.The narrating was very hard to understand.But did see some magic performed with the disappearing vibration.
My garage looks like 7perks but i am not working on other guys sleds either .
Got to feel bad for the poor poo guy and .............well hope he gets to ride and it doesn't grenade. Nothing worse than having your sled down when snows on the ground.But he had to of seen where the sled got dropped off at. First thing I noticed. Just my observation.
Like youtube how did I end up getting here?. Was looking at Cat jetting this morning...........................:: and now being entertained by this.
Been laughing all day at some of the comments. Pretty smart guys on here.Will go back to where I belong to the cat forums.Sorry for ending up here.
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Perk Balancing
It's time to respond you all know there is two sides to every story !!! First to the video by the polaris owner. That sled was witnessed by 6 other people besides him and I and it didn't leave my shop looking like that.
How many miles on that polaris? 1312 miles, all you polaris owners know the life of a polaris 800 (crank breakage SOMETIME BEFORE 2500 MILES).
How did the clutch spin before we worked on it? His answer was " IT LOOKS ALOT BETTER IT'S NOT JUMPING NOW"
This was only the second 2009 polaris 800 Dragon that we had worked on with this new balancing possess and he knew that up front.
Who referred him to us? His friend with a 2012 Etec and what did Perks do for him. 400 RPM INCREASE, IT OVER REV'D AND HE HAD TO CHANGE ARMS IN CLUTCH. NO VIBRATIONS IN ENGINE PARTS AFTER IDLE (2000 to 3000). Indydan since you know everything about everything how much increase in HORSE POWER IS THAT?
Yes, he had a strange LITTLE vibration on the mag side of the motor. Which could be several different things. A bad bearing, one of the throws out of phase, and yes maybe the air flow of my mag. rotor.
He picked up the sled on a Friday and I didn't feel good about his attitude toward my service so I called him two days later. Mon. and apologied if I sounded up set. And told his answering service that I would look at his mag. rotor (in which we have since perfected his has to much intake (air flow) which caused that strange vibration. I also offered to balance his 900 polaris for FREE!!! We have 6 Polaris 900 out in the field and all 6 have increased 200 to 400 RPM and they are no longer replacing belts on just about every ride.
Now to the 19 days in my shop. I didn't here him mention or read anything about my older brother dying of cancer and the days I felt I needed to be with him during that time. And then pasting away about a week later. I'm not going to apologize for that.
I'm glad my product is not on his sled so when the crank breaks or some other thing goes wrong he can't point fingers at PERKS.
We oil the cylinders when running the motors and we only run under a 3 horse power motor for less then a minute each time.
Even after all that and the disrepect showed to me I would still work on his sled for FREE to make him happy. The issue on his sled is not BALANCE it's air flow - it should have no intake air flow.
LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR - I WILL NEVER RUN AND HIDE OVER ANY ISSUE THAT INVOLVES PERKS SPIN BALANCE OR POST ON SNOWEST OR ANYWHERE UNDER SOMETHING OTHER THEN "7PERK"
Indydan the owner of that TRA clutch with 39 GRAMS in the front end of the clutch responded months ago that it had all new parts in the clutch assembly. He couldn't be happier with the balance job.
I will respond on all the other issues in the next few minutes. This is all I'm going to say about that Polaris 800. That sled was not filmed by him in my presence it was doctored up.
It's time to respond you all know there is two sides to every story !!! First to the video by the polaris owner. That sled was witnessed by 6 other people besides him and I and it didn't leave my shop looking like that.
How many miles on that polaris? 1312 miles, all you polaris owners know the life of a polaris 800 (crank breakage SOMETIME BEFORE 2500 MILES).
How did the clutch spin before we worked on it? His answer was " IT LOOKS ALOT BETTER IT'S NOT JUMPING NOW"
This was only the second 2009 polaris 800 Dragon that we had worked on with this new balancing possess and he knew that up front.
Who referred him to us? His friend with a 2012 Etec and what did Perks do for him. 400 RPM INCREASE, IT OVER REV'D AND HE HAD TO CHANGE ARMS IN CLUTCH. NO VIBRATIONS IN ENGINE PARTS AFTER IDLE (2000 to 3000). Indydan since you know everything about everything how much increase in HORSE POWER IS THAT?
Yes, he had a strange LITTLE vibration on the mag side of the motor. Which could be several different things. A bad bearing, one of the throws out of phase, and yes maybe the air flow of my mag. rotor.
He picked up the sled on a Friday and I didn't feel good about his attitude toward my service so I called him two days later. Mon. and apologied if I sounded up set. And told his answering service that I would look at his mag. rotor (in which we have since perfected his has to much intake (air flow) which caused that strange vibration. I also offered to balance his 900 polaris for FREE!!! We have 6 Polaris 900 out in the field and all 6 have increased 200 to 400 RPM and they are no longer replacing belts on just about every ride.
Now to the 19 days in my shop. I didn't here him mention or read anything about my older brother dying of cancer and the days I felt I needed to be with him during that time. And then pasting away about a week later. I'm not going to apologize for that.
I'm glad my product is not on his sled so when the crank breaks or some other thing goes wrong he can't point fingers at PERKS.
We oil the cylinders when running the motors and we only run under a 3 horse power motor for less then a minute each time.
Even after all that and the disrepect showed to me I would still work on his sled for FREE to make him happy. The issue on his sled is not BALANCE it's air flow - it should have no intake air flow.
LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR - I WILL NEVER RUN AND HIDE OVER ANY ISSUE THAT INVOLVES PERKS SPIN BALANCE OR POST ON SNOWEST OR ANYWHERE UNDER SOMETHING OTHER THEN "7PERK"
Indydan the owner of that TRA clutch with 39 GRAMS in the front end of the clutch responded months ago that it had all new parts in the clutch assembly. He couldn't be happier with the balance job.
I will respond on all the other issues in the next few minutes. This is all I'm going to say about that Polaris 800. That sled was not filmed by him in my presence it was doctored up.
Perk Balancing
I will talk about the other issues that have come out on this thread.
1. Arctic Cat 900 that we balanced clear back in 2005 (it being the first Arctic Cat) This individual who is still slandering me today. Also knew it was the first. This is when we were removing the crank from the motor and drilling and welding the high density pins into the crank. The "New" Patent Pending process is a external spin balance using the clutch and a mag. rotor being the only way to balance any two stroke or any motor is a two plane balance to eliminate the force & or couple unbalance.
After a couple of times and still finding strange vibrations. I found out some different about Arctic Cats in relation to Polaris & Ski-Doo's. The ROLLER BEARINGS instead of the tight ball bearings. These roller bearings had .020 play in them instead of .005. And when the crank was ran under power of the sled or my 3 horse power motor the CRANK RUN OUT would be the .020. If you just turned it by hand you could read only .001 to .002. And if you have any knowledge of DYNAMIC BALANCING anything the reason for doing it is to eliminate or compensate for inperfections in the manufacture of such parts that rotate. I talked to the VP of Arctic Cat back in 2005 about this information and told him that Suzuki & Arctic Cat know what they are doing and that is - The roller bearings are allowing the crank to flex so they will not break like Polaris & Ski-Doo cranks.
The Flex is caused by the unbalance ( 160 grams on this Arctic Cat on each end of the crank opposite angles) in the crank and piston assemble which is creating CENTRIFUGAL FORCES of 1200 to 1500 lbs every revolution.
This is the KEY or proof - I placed an indicator on that crank and the CRANK RUN OUT was only .002 after the unbalance was removed, it didn't matter what RPM it was ran at.
Getting back to this individual he didn't believe me so he called a person who is really big in the snowmobile industry here in Utah to check the run out.
Now the story gets real interesting. I personally took the crank to this person and watched him check the run out and get it down to .001 or less, but he noticed that one of the wrist pins (where two of the parts press together) was .050 from being even, I didn't agree because I don't touch them in my process. He took the crank over to his fancy 75 ton press and ended up locking up one of the piston rods to where he would have too DISASSEMBLE the crank to release the rod and he would not do it in front of me he asked me to leave and pick it up the next day.
Now I need to ask this question - Keep in mind this is a 150 horse motor and my motor is 3 horses and this individual with the locked up rod and having to disassemble the crank and assemble and keep the throws in perfect alignment. The reason we went to the court room was I was accused of moving the crank out of phase. The person with the 75 ton press talked the both of us out of going in front of the judge. Why? Because he knew who had made the mistake.
I was willing to buy a new crank assemble and trade for the balanced crank with the ceranic grade B ball bearings. And by the way the crank was placed in another 900 and it is the fastest sled I have ever been on.
Sorry I'm taking up so much space that I will have to add another response to the other issues.
Also someone brought up a PASS partner I haved worked with him for 2 years.
I will talk about the other issues that have come out on this thread.
1. Arctic Cat 900 that we balanced clear back in 2005 (it being the first Arctic Cat) This individual who is still slandering me today. Also knew it was the first. This is when we were removing the crank from the motor and drilling and welding the high density pins into the crank. The "New" Patent Pending process is a external spin balance using the clutch and a mag. rotor being the only way to balance any two stroke or any motor is a two plane balance to eliminate the force & or couple unbalance.
After a couple of times and still finding strange vibrations. I found out some different about Arctic Cats in relation to Polaris & Ski-Doo's. The ROLLER BEARINGS instead of the tight ball bearings. These roller bearings had .020 play in them instead of .005. And when the crank was ran under power of the sled or my 3 horse power motor the CRANK RUN OUT would be the .020. If you just turned it by hand you could read only .001 to .002. And if you have any knowledge of DYNAMIC BALANCING anything the reason for doing it is to eliminate or compensate for inperfections in the manufacture of such parts that rotate. I talked to the VP of Arctic Cat back in 2005 about this information and told him that Suzuki & Arctic Cat know what they are doing and that is - The roller bearings are allowing the crank to flex so they will not break like Polaris & Ski-Doo cranks.
The Flex is caused by the unbalance ( 160 grams on this Arctic Cat on each end of the crank opposite angles) in the crank and piston assemble which is creating CENTRIFUGAL FORCES of 1200 to 1500 lbs every revolution.
This is the KEY or proof - I placed an indicator on that crank and the CRANK RUN OUT was only .002 after the unbalance was removed, it didn't matter what RPM it was ran at.
Getting back to this individual he didn't believe me so he called a person who is really big in the snowmobile industry here in Utah to check the run out.
Now the story gets real interesting. I personally took the crank to this person and watched him check the run out and get it down to .001 or less, but he noticed that one of the wrist pins (where two of the parts press together) was .050 from being even, I didn't agree because I don't touch them in my process. He took the crank over to his fancy 75 ton press and ended up locking up one of the piston rods to where he would have too DISASSEMBLE the crank to release the rod and he would not do it in front of me he asked me to leave and pick it up the next day.
Now I need to ask this question - Keep in mind this is a 150 horse motor and my motor is 3 horses and this individual with the locked up rod and having to disassemble the crank and assemble and keep the throws in perfect alignment. The reason we went to the court room was I was accused of moving the crank out of phase. The person with the 75 ton press talked the both of us out of going in front of the judge. Why? Because he knew who had made the mistake.
I was willing to buy a new crank assemble and trade for the balanced crank with the ceranic grade B ball bearings. And by the way the crank was placed in another 900 and it is the fastest sled I have ever been on.
Sorry I'm taking up so much space that I will have to add another response to the other issues.
Also someone brought up a PASS partner I haved worked with him for 2 years.
Perk Balancing
Now to cover the issues of the "New" product and services.
I will start with the problems or negative issues that are TRUE.
1. The aluminum rotor in the 2009 thru 2012 (Ski-Doo's) we have recalled because of 4 structual failures. Issue has been resolved with a high temperature high carbon steel material. (reports have been more power smoother, etc.). And yes for all those who haven't received their replacement, they will be sent this week if my machinist gets them produced.
2. Recoil breakage caused by clearance issues,shim thickness, centering the pull rope basket, air flow to much or not enough. It is noted in the instructions that Perks is not responsible for recoil issues because of BRP poor design in which they already had issues. With that being said, I'm in talks with an investor that we will help with compensation in the near future.
3. Late models 2008 and later rotor thickness and weight. All three issues have resolved
AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE MY COMPETITORS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You noticed "NO REFERENCE TO BALANCING PROBLEMS"
The person who started this thread the Polaris 800 It was BALANCED
The Arctic Cat man of 2005 It was BALANCED
The person from Montana with the three motors - They were BALANCED
He called me after his first ride on his Dad's and told me that he couldn't keep the clutches from turning on the crank - Well guess what that means it now has much more torque. His Dad has called me also and I have tryed to give them the new rotors but they will not work with me. And then I see he has unbalanced the clutch. This is unbelieveable !!!!
The only problem or possible BALANCE problem there's something else causing vibration. Two other people in Montana had Wiseco pistons which have a different angle of unbalance, the clutch had rotated on the crank, not following assembly instructions, Roller bearings on the Arctic Cats.
My prices are half of the competitors and the customer paid for a BALANCE JOB - THAT HELPS WITH BELT BREAKAGE, CRANK BREAKAGE, BEARING FAILURE, AND VIBRATION ISSUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the customer's belt breaks, crank breaks, or bearing fail they were already at the failure point. If it is a brand new sled (with little or no miles like my sled it will run for thousands of miles.)
EVERY SKI-DOO PRIMARY CLUTCH IS OUT OF BALANCE (2 PLANE) 5 GRAMS TO 40 GRAMS ON THE FRONT END AND 1 TO 5 GRAMS ON THE BACK END. THE NEW 2011 & 2012 POLARIS PROS ARE .5 GRAMS TO 3 GRAMS FRONT & BACK.
We just got done with a 2011 Polaris Pro (full engine balance) and went out and tested it. Top speed before was 86 or 87 mph. After balance at 300 feet to 500 feet (5 different times) 91 and hitting the REV LIMIT !!!
Because of the good balance job by the Polaris manufacture we will have a bolt on product "Eternal Engine Balance Kit" for the 800 Polaris Pros 2011 & 2012 (You can't believe how smooth).
With this new investor Perks will be purchasing a Track Dyno and let the customer film and witness the numbers before balance and then after and if there is no increases then the Balance is FREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now to cover the issues of the "New" product and services.
I will start with the problems or negative issues that are TRUE.
1. The aluminum rotor in the 2009 thru 2012 (Ski-Doo's) we have recalled because of 4 structual failures. Issue has been resolved with a high temperature high carbon steel material. (reports have been more power smoother, etc.). And yes for all those who haven't received their replacement, they will be sent this week if my machinist gets them produced.
2. Recoil breakage caused by clearance issues,shim thickness, centering the pull rope basket, air flow to much or not enough. It is noted in the instructions that Perks is not responsible for recoil issues because of BRP poor design in which they already had issues. With that being said, I'm in talks with an investor that we will help with compensation in the near future.
3. Late models 2008 and later rotor thickness and weight. All three issues have resolved
AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE MY COMPETITORS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You noticed "NO REFERENCE TO BALANCING PROBLEMS"
The person who started this thread the Polaris 800 It was BALANCED
The Arctic Cat man of 2005 It was BALANCED
The person from Montana with the three motors - They were BALANCED
He called me after his first ride on his Dad's and told me that he couldn't keep the clutches from turning on the crank - Well guess what that means it now has much more torque. His Dad has called me also and I have tryed to give them the new rotors but they will not work with me. And then I see he has unbalanced the clutch. This is unbelieveable !!!!
The only problem or possible BALANCE problem there's something else causing vibration. Two other people in Montana had Wiseco pistons which have a different angle of unbalance, the clutch had rotated on the crank, not following assembly instructions, Roller bearings on the Arctic Cats.
My prices are half of the competitors and the customer paid for a BALANCE JOB - THAT HELPS WITH BELT BREAKAGE, CRANK BREAKAGE, BEARING FAILURE, AND VIBRATION ISSUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the customer's belt breaks, crank breaks, or bearing fail they were already at the failure point. If it is a brand new sled (with little or no miles like my sled it will run for thousands of miles.)
EVERY SKI-DOO PRIMARY CLUTCH IS OUT OF BALANCE (2 PLANE) 5 GRAMS TO 40 GRAMS ON THE FRONT END AND 1 TO 5 GRAMS ON THE BACK END. THE NEW 2011 & 2012 POLARIS PROS ARE .5 GRAMS TO 3 GRAMS FRONT & BACK.
We just got done with a 2011 Polaris Pro (full engine balance) and went out and tested it. Top speed before was 86 or 87 mph. After balance at 300 feet to 500 feet (5 different times) 91 and hitting the REV LIMIT !!!
Because of the good balance job by the Polaris manufacture we will have a bolt on product "Eternal Engine Balance Kit" for the 800 Polaris Pros 2011 & 2012 (You can't believe how smooth).
With this new investor Perks will be purchasing a Track Dyno and let the customer film and witness the numbers before balance and then after and if there is no increases then the Balance is FREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe did tell me his brother had cancer and if he died I am truly sorry !!
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" PERKS NEW PRODUCT "
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( We just got done with a 2011 Polaris Pro (full engine balance) and went out and tested it )
This is pretty much the same sales pitch Joe told me about , only it was about a 2009 - 800 polaris that he had just done , When he talked me into doing the ( full engine balance ) on my snowmobile motor !!!
!!! I hope this helps you snowmobilers .
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( We just got done with a 2011 Polaris Pro (full engine balance) and went out and tested it )
This is pretty much the same sales pitch Joe told me about , only it was about a 2009 - 800 polaris that he had just done , When he talked me into doing the ( full engine balance ) on my snowmobile motor !!!
!!! I hope this helps you snowmobilers .
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Before calling Perks crooked, make sure all the facts are in because I know what it is like to be falsely accused for something and everybody jumps in to say, "Hang the prick". This happened to me on another forum and hurt my reputation yet I was innocent. Sometimes customers can be the problem and sometimes it is poor communication. And no, I don't know anybody involved here.
Responding.
Perks.... I don't claim to know everything, But I have been around the block when it comes to sled motors.
That being said, Your theroy is all wet and I can explain why.
As a matter a fact I really don't have to you already have.
4 or 5 months ago I posted that u cannot consistantly & effectively dynamic spin balance a complete motor.
Reason being...... Almost all crankshafts are not perfectly straight from the factory. and your balancer will pick this up big time.
A crankshaft that is out only .002 ( within factory specs ) at the PTO end tip with a 12 pound drive clutch hanging off the end will give you readings that will blow your mind. ( and if you balance to them you are giving the customer a bag of crap )
You said it yourself and you didn't even know it, You put in print that the problem you were having with the cat crank was the fact that it had roller bearing end bearings and they do not hold the crankshaft tru-enough.
You have a very nice balancer, And know one is saying balancing is not a good thing. I have balanced sled clutches for over 20 years. But you do not understand 2 stroke cranks well enough to claim a complete motor balance is the way it go. It is not.
You just put in print that your new patent pending process won't work.
Its ok to balance clutches, crankshafts, flywheels seperately but it is not a good practice to do assemblies that have factors that change.
And those changes effect the balance job of the complete unit and can render it worse then stock.
Balancing a complete motor with a crank that is .010 thou out of tru is stupid, And there are a plenty of them out there running around.
Dan
Perks.... I don't claim to know everything, But I have been around the block when it comes to sled motors.
That being said, Your theroy is all wet and I can explain why.
As a matter a fact I really don't have to you already have.
4 or 5 months ago I posted that u cannot consistantly & effectively dynamic spin balance a complete motor.
Reason being...... Almost all crankshafts are not perfectly straight from the factory. and your balancer will pick this up big time.
A crankshaft that is out only .002 ( within factory specs ) at the PTO end tip with a 12 pound drive clutch hanging off the end will give you readings that will blow your mind. ( and if you balance to them you are giving the customer a bag of crap )
You said it yourself and you didn't even know it, You put in print that the problem you were having with the cat crank was the fact that it had roller bearing end bearings and they do not hold the crankshaft tru-enough.
You have a very nice balancer, And know one is saying balancing is not a good thing. I have balanced sled clutches for over 20 years. But you do not understand 2 stroke cranks well enough to claim a complete motor balance is the way it go. It is not.
You just put in print that your new patent pending process won't work.
Its ok to balance clutches, crankshafts, flywheels seperately but it is not a good practice to do assemblies that have factors that change.
And those changes effect the balance job of the complete unit and can render it worse then stock.
Balancing a complete motor with a crank that is .010 thou out of tru is stupid, And there are a plenty of them out there running around.
Dan
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!!! Does perks complete motor balance kit work !!!
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!!! Does perks complete motor balance kit work !!!
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!!! Does perks complete motor balance kit work !!!
NO ! not on my 2009 polaris 800 snowmobile (fact) which perks guaranteed me that it would with great results !!!
Perks (Joe) problem is that he does little or no " long term " testing on his own snowmobiles !!
He is using his customers snowmobile for R&D ( Research and development , experimenting on, or being perks so called guinea pigs ) with out the customers knowing about it , and it is costing perks customers a lot of money and time and damage to there snowmobiles ..
1-Perks is guaranteeing there balance kits works and with great results
2-no more belt breakage
3- more rpm
4- more horsepower
5-no more bearing failure
6-no more crank failure
7-motor will last 10,000 miles or more
8-perks (Joe) snowmobile is getting faster and faster in his garage
9-perks (Joe) snowmobile will never have bearing failure
10- little or no more vibration
11-ext , ext , ext, guarantee , guarantee , guarantee, ( in perks spin balance videos)
And then when you have a problems with perks balance kit , and it fails to do what perks is guaranteeing and causes damage , perks then tries to shifts the blame on to the manufacture of the snowmobile , Because perks thinks this is the best way to avoid explaining the problems with the balance kits failing and causing damage to the customers snowmobiles !!!
!!! Perks you say that your glad your balance kit is off the snowmobile motor !!!
How much longer do you think I should have left your (complete balance kit) on the snowmobile motor , until the motor shook and vibrated into pieces !!! Just because your perks complete balance kit is no longer on the motor does not release you from future damage your kit has done to the motor , Just ask A few mechanics , that know a lot about snowmobile motors to watch the video ..
Ask the mechanics if they would put in writing , how long they would guarantee the motor to last on the snowmobile now !! ask them to write a parts list off what that balance job could have done !!
Then tell the mechanics that is your work , and you personally installed the balance kit on the snowmobile , and you also guaranteed it would not cause any damage to the snowmobile !!
Perks is claiming new product for 2011 and 2012 polaris pro snowmobile , and promising great results just after 5 runs at 300 to 500 feet !!! This is perks problem , not enough proven testing on there balance kits , and Joe makes the statement ,and puts it in print !!!
ABOUT the voice mail , the reason Joe called and left a message is because , I called Joe and talked to him about the POOR results of his (complete balance kit) ,loosing 450 rpm ,no pulling power and parts breaking and that I was not happy !!! And then Joe called back later and left the voice mail ,in which Joe said he had A " idea " about the vibration ...
And perks !! There is some very smart people on SNOWEST that do know a lot about motors ,balancing and snowmobile !!! Who do you think your fooling being dishonest !!!
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!!! Does perks complete motor balance kit work !!!
NO ! not on my 2009 polaris 800 snowmobile (fact) which perks guaranteed me that it would with great results !!!
Perks (Joe) problem is that he does little or no " long term " testing on his own snowmobiles !!
He is using his customers snowmobile for R&D ( Research and development , experimenting on, or being perks so called guinea pigs ) with out the customers knowing about it , and it is costing perks customers a lot of money and time and damage to there snowmobiles ..
1-Perks is guaranteeing there balance kits works and with great results
2-no more belt breakage
3- more rpm
4- more horsepower
5-no more bearing failure
6-no more crank failure
7-motor will last 10,000 miles or more
8-perks (Joe) snowmobile is getting faster and faster in his garage
9-perks (Joe) snowmobile will never have bearing failure
10- little or no more vibration
11-ext , ext , ext, guarantee , guarantee , guarantee, ( in perks spin balance videos)
And then when you have a problems with perks balance kit , and it fails to do what perks is guaranteeing and causes damage , perks then tries to shifts the blame on to the manufacture of the snowmobile , Because perks thinks this is the best way to avoid explaining the problems with the balance kits failing and causing damage to the customers snowmobiles !!!
!!! Perks you say that your glad your balance kit is off the snowmobile motor !!!
How much longer do you think I should have left your (complete balance kit) on the snowmobile motor , until the motor shook and vibrated into pieces !!! Just because your perks complete balance kit is no longer on the motor does not release you from future damage your kit has done to the motor , Just ask A few mechanics , that know a lot about snowmobile motors to watch the video ..
Ask the mechanics if they would put in writing , how long they would guarantee the motor to last on the snowmobile now !! ask them to write a parts list off what that balance job could have done !!
Then tell the mechanics that is your work , and you personally installed the balance kit on the snowmobile , and you also guaranteed it would not cause any damage to the snowmobile !!
Perks is claiming new product for 2011 and 2012 polaris pro snowmobile , and promising great results just after 5 runs at 300 to 500 feet !!! This is perks problem , not enough proven testing on there balance kits , and Joe makes the statement ,and puts it in print !!!
ABOUT the voice mail , the reason Joe called and left a message is because , I called Joe and talked to him about the POOR results of his (complete balance kit) ,loosing 450 rpm ,no pulling power and parts breaking and that I was not happy !!! And then Joe called back later and left the voice mail ,in which Joe said he had A " idea " about the vibration ...
And perks !! There is some very smart people on SNOWEST that do know a lot about motors ,balancing and snowmobile !!! Who do you think your fooling being dishonest !!!
perks on a pro
My buddy Got the Perks balance on his pro before he ever rode it when he went on his first ride it vibrated alot worse than my brothers pro so he took it off for the next ride and all i need to say is that he said it wont be going back on
My buddy Got the Perks balance on his pro before he ever rode it when he went on his first ride it vibrated alot worse than my brothers pro so he took it off for the next ride and all i need to say is that he said it wont be going back on
X2. I want to hear this from the donkey's mouth.
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madmini660
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why would I keep putting your rotors on my sleds and pay to put new recoils on to do your R&D for you not what I signed up for Joe and I'm done with your kit tryed it not anything that you said it was at all my buddy had one of your kits on his sled and the weights broke off the rotor and went flying when he was riding it if that would have killed him what would you have said thats brp's problem bring your sled to montana and show me all this horse power you are adding lmao your a joke and your investor must have rocks in his head or not know about all the problems your produce intales and my dad's 860 never moved on the crank I told you I thought it did because it was shaking so bad and when I got it in my shop and looked at it all your marks where still lined up and the spring from the recoil breaking so bad from your rotor you put on my dad's sled ripped off the pickups for the flywheel and the hook end of the spring got behind the flywheel and tore the crank seal so I had to pull the motor and put new crank seal in thanks thats why your vibrator isn't on any of my sleds because it cost me more then I payed for your kit to fix one of the sleds, almost killed one of my friends and didn't do anything but make me work more on my sleds so for people thinking of doing it have fun and dont say I didn't tell you because here it is and a snake oil salesman can tell you anything he wants but that doesn't make it true
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