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Wheel House Motorsports

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I am more or less just collecting info for a little side project.

How are the sleds running, boost, elevation, problems so far if any, and how are they comparin to race gassers? Propane is awsome stuff, I am just curious how the 2 strokes are taking it at these higher power levels.
 
I have 16 GB of helmet cam to sort through, I will put up some real vids soon. Really fell in love with the sled this past week in Dubois area, 13 lbs was an animal at 9000 ft and not even pushing the limits. Ran all week, got as many as 75 track miles out of a tank of fuel and still wasn't empty (just too low to see how much was left). Clutching felt right so I left it the same all week. Used the same belt for the whole week and had even put some miles on it before we left, it must be pushing 500 miles and is still good to run. Towed a guy home 10+ miles too which can be hard on belts and no problems. Ran with n/a guys and had roughly the same or better fuel range than them which was what I was hoping for.

Biggest problem I had was accidentally only running with one bottle valve on and it ran out of fuel halfway through the day. Once I figured out that the other tank valve was closed my problem was solved. Other problem I had was the low flowing valves in my fuel supply forklift tanks were slowing down my filling process. They are great containers but the valves on some of them are so touchy. Asked my propane salesman if I can disable the efv's on all the tanks and he didn't have a problem with it. Otherwise I want to put the highest flowing ones on that I can find. Tanks and fittings on the sled are fine, it's just my filling tanks are slowing down the process.
I am still trying to get this sled to idle right, it's not that it can't be done, I am just usually having too much fun on vacation to want to take the time to make the minor adjustments. If Arctic cat made their throttle stop easier to adjust my problem would be solved, the fuel mixer adjustments are easy enough, just cats throttle body design and the aluminum plate in the way are making it harder to get at than I want, it runs fine now but it will idle so low that eventually it dies if you leave it for a minute.

I was hoping it would be a boondocker and not just a hillclimber and I was happy with it in that regard, I was afraid the side exhaust would be a problem carving in deep snow but you just have to get used to giving it a touch more throttle when carving to the right than you need to when carving or sidehilling to the left. In a week of riding (about 350 miles or so) I think it snuffed the sled out resulting in a mild stuck once maybe twice. I really can't say that a ski-well or tunnel dump would have been any less or significantly less problem as far as snow restriction. Experience will only improve it as well, knowing when to add a little extra throttle to keep it from bogging. I have no plans of messing with it. Everyone loves how it sounds, tough as nails but not obnoxious (with the "quiet muffler").
Cold start first thing in the morning is tough but predictable. I don't use the primer which might help things a bit, I have a friend hold it WOT until it starts to pop and then eventually it will fire a bit longer and you can try to catch it at idle and you are good to go. Kind of like a finnicky carbureted motor that you know how to work, I can leave it for a couple hours and no problem starting, but leave it overnight in the cold and that rope is tough to pull to say the least. Compression got lowered so the only thing I can think of is that the residual oil in the cylinders is not getting washed with gasoline to make it slipperier once it's really cold. I don't use the primer because the problem i see is not getting the fuel to the engine, it's getting the engine to spin over fast enough to get it to light up. Anywhere around or above freezing this is not a problem, just in the teens and below. Another propaner told me to get some heat in the motor before pulling and the problem is solved. Haven't thought of a safe easy way to do that yet so until then I just pull harder. Warm starts are ridiculously easy, 12-18" of rope is all you need.

Videos when they are ready, maybe I will get some time today to work on them.
John
 
good to hear yours is a little cold blooded as well.. I have done 2 homemade propane turbo conversions and they both hard to get started when sitting overnight. but once warm they kick over super fast, barely pull on the suckers.

thanks for the review. makes me much happier in my setups.
 
I think if I was super worried about it I could find some kind of a heated engine blanket to lay in there or something but really you just need a friend and a strong arm and in 2 or 3 minutes it's ready for the day. Glad to hear this isn't a problem that only I have. I swear if the rope was 12 inch long that would be all I need to get it going during the day...

Another great thing is this sled doesn't get the start stop cold pipe issues that gas sleds can get. Can run, idle, sit, start and take off right away without any dogging or burbles. Full power right away.
 
Propane sled

Lovin the sled especially how little $ it takes to fill it up. Running 14#s quite regular now had areed problem one day but fixed it and good to go. What I did to make it easy to adjust the idle I used a hole saw in the heat shield under the pipe and have a piece of foil to stick over the hole after. Works great. No problem cold starting I do use the primer and hit it 7 times and hold the throttle part open and it fires 2nd pull the just pull twice more with part throttle and it starts right up and I hold the flipper steady no pumping until it runs for about a minute then good to go. The coldest I have done this is at -20to-23 celcius and once warmed up it starts with a short pull. Still playing with clutching just to get it to my liking. So far I wouldn't change anything.:face-icon-small-hap:face-icon-small-hap
 
Will try that, still just feels like regardless the fuel mixture my spaghetti arms couldn't pull it over fast enough to get it to run. We'll see how it goes in Colorado I guess.

Here is some video, more to come. Visibility sucked all week, this day was no exception, thing would keep climbing and climbing I felt, but had to keep it interesting for the n/a sleds:)
 
How does the propane turbo act when cruising in the mid range for extended periods? I understand the Idle and WOT mixture adjustments but is the mid range a burn down issue like regular turbos?
 
Midrange

No problems in the midrange I have to watch sometimes if cruising with very light throttle but generally at 30 mph I;m in the low 14s or even 13s on the afr.
 
Had 2 LP turbos out last week they ran awesome. 60 miles per day in spectacular spring conditions. 12-14 lbs boost these 2 sleds took approx 2 min total for tuning time for 3 days. Just pull the rope and go. I am so happy with this setup nothing but smiles and $35 per day in fuel. :)
 
ignition timing

is the ignition timing altered on the OVS propane kits?using offset key to give more preignition?are you running stock compression ratio?does OVS make a kit for the PRO rmk?want one for my Pro bad:face-icon-small-hap
 
Give Travis a call at OVS for info on the pro. No timing change but the head was reconfigured. Just for more info I geared mine up to the 1000 gears 60/60 and added 11 grams more weight and it pulls hard and way faster. Very noticeable against a race gas m8 on the hill with stock 55/65 gearing. I'm sure Klimbing Kitty may chime in on this.:face-icon-small-hap:face-icon-small-hap
 
I just got back from Colorado today, Yesterday I rode with Chris Burandt. On Friday I had some time and was messing with boost levels, clutching, and afr. I was able to get it to 22lbs at 8400 ft there at the ranch for a couple short rips!!! Holy crap! The thing practically wanted to come over on me! I was planning on riding trees that day and not alpine though so I turned it back down to "only" 16 lbs and adjusted my weights for that. I have 2 weeks worth of helmet cam to dig through, I'll try to get some up here soon.
 
That sounds sweet! I pulled 18 the other day at 7000 and I thought that was crazy. These things rock!
 
I haven't had the chance to put it on a scale yet but from Travis's thread last year they should be very similar in weight.
 
i think these are the way to go mainly just because of high boost runability and really cheap fuel.
 
Interesting results. Sounds like a cool set up. I have one question though, does a propane turbo set up make the same amount of power on "X" amount of boost that a race gas turbo would on that same "X amount of boost? Say at 12 pounds on both set ups, do they make the same power? The reason I ask this is because I could of swore on the propane set ups on the 4 stroke Yamaha's they needed to run more boost to make the same power as the race gas setups on less boost. I realize Propane has a much higher octane than race gas but I think was an issue.
 
Having a certain propane turbo out here for a vaca for a while we found a HUGE problem with these sleds.


You have to fill it up AT LEAST once a week... who knew!!! :behindsofa:


Proper sight glass operation is CRITICAL on these sleds.. :D:face-icon-small-ton

Again, pretty impressed with the sled, it seems to be running closer power to gas now after some of the getting to know you tuning, and after digging one out a few times I can't say that it's TOO noticeably heavier. If they could make the tanks more integrated, I'd be all over it, it's a really cool kit.
 
Weight is a wash between petrol v LPG kits. In general automotive applications the energy output of LPG is less than petrol. In 2 strokes sleds this theory may be meaningless. Meaning there isn't a "significant" difference between a race gas and lpg at equal boost. Even if you feel the need to run more boost to keep up with petrol sleds you will be smiling when its time to refill the tanks... So hardly a concern.


Those are impressive boost numbers you guys are running! Has anyone found the detonation limits? If so what boost/elevation did you set off the sensor?


I'm not sure how they could integrate those tanks any better. The only way would be a square storage under the seat and those would be even more costly to manufacture and wouldn't meet any DOT requirements. Simply put i doubt their insurance would allow anything different then what they have. I like their current solution.
 
So what are yo doing for filling, same as your BBQ, or can you transfer from a larger tank in your trailer.
 
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