Not a truck but 78 MPG
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If this video is legit, which it sounds pretty legit! The government is freakin Stupid, the government should allow people to buy vehicles that get better mileage and they should just borrow the money from Japan and China(like they do for everything else) to build roads. Why is it our fault that the government is so bad with money that we have to suffer with lower quality engine technology!!
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Its legit, but off. The guy has his units wrong with the diesel mpg. There is a difference between UK and US gallons. Also, the ratings are based off of different driving metrics, so it is difficult to compare metrics from one country to another.
In the next couple of years the EU and US emissions requirements will become more inline which will result in the greater possibility of diesels being sold here. Before the US has had much stricter emissions requirements than the EU, especially with respect to NOx (smog) pollutants.
He makes a great point about the fuel taxes though. A system that has a funding source based on use that is being minimized will see ever decreasing resources.
Another thing I think can be worrisome is that electric vehicles have many less parts that gasoline engines. Batties, motors, brakes, chassis. Pretty much all major parts. There are much much less consumables in an electric vehicle compared to an engine. That means much less sales in parts and in services.
Something to think about.
Oh, and diesels have been around for a while now. I still see Mercedes 300D's out there, VW has been making them here for ever, and I own a diesel Jeep Liberty that gets 26 MPG on my normal commute.
Diesels are here, just most people don't buy them..
NEVER
This country should NEVER borrow money from any country. The USA has enough resource to self sustain and sell SOME of the excess to balance the budget.. As far as technology,, the feds or who ever designed this system do not want it used here because the majority of americans have become so stupid to believe the feds can make things better. We now live in an archaic system. OH,, don't forget GREED but hey no one wants to get involved,, as long as they can run around with their head down and just excepting their pay check alls good because what goes on outside is depressing.. We have the technology to do these things and MUCH more but when the moto of business in america is LIE, CHEAT , and STEAL and the few greedy rich try to control what goes on here then ya,, we are no longer going to be a leader in the world...
This country should NEVER borrow money from any country. The USA has enough resource to self sustain and sell SOME of the excess to balance the budget.. As far as technology,, the feds or who ever designed this system do not want it used here because the majority of americans have become so stupid to believe the feds can make things better. We now live in an archaic system. OH,, don't forget GREED but hey no one wants to get involved,, as long as they can run around with their head down and just excepting their pay check alls good because what goes on outside is depressing.. We have the technology to do these things and MUCH more but when the moto of business in america is LIE, CHEAT , and STEAL and the few greedy rich try to control what goes on here then ya,, we are no longer going to be a leader in the world...
Wow, this is an interesting topic that could go so many ways.
First, 78 Km/gallon is really close to 48 MPG, but why would you mix Km and gallons? The UK normally uses Km/L (liter). My point is that I wonder if this guy has his conversion ration correct for the UK.
Regardless of that conversation, the US government has destroyed the sale of diesel motors in the USA. Emissions is the primary reason. I sat through a diesel class that explained the addition of DPF, DEF, EGR's and the rules for the auto industry using diesel motors. The guy told me that in a really foggy city, a clean burning diesel (with DPF/DEF/EGR's) will exhaust cleaner air than it breathes in. WTF? Why are we responsible as diesel owners to make that transition? Yes, we should be cleaner but don't drop the burden on diesel owners. He also mentioned that many companies that buy large trucks are using gasoline motors even though it won't last as long and won't haul as much/well. It is just cheaper to use gasoline motors in the USA.
There are so many good diesel motors in Europe that the USA never gets because of emissions. I really want to see the 1/2 ton trucks get the mini diesels but that program is in jeopardy for GM/Ford/Dodge.
Sad story, because I'm addicted to diesel now.
First, 78 Km/gallon is really close to 48 MPG, but why would you mix Km and gallons? The UK normally uses Km/L (liter). My point is that I wonder if this guy has his conversion ration correct for the UK.
Regardless of that conversation, the US government has destroyed the sale of diesel motors in the USA. Emissions is the primary reason. I sat through a diesel class that explained the addition of DPF, DEF, EGR's and the rules for the auto industry using diesel motors. The guy told me that in a really foggy city, a clean burning diesel (with DPF/DEF/EGR's) will exhaust cleaner air than it breathes in. WTF? Why are we responsible as diesel owners to make that transition? Yes, we should be cleaner but don't drop the burden on diesel owners. He also mentioned that many companies that buy large trucks are using gasoline motors even though it won't last as long and won't haul as much/well. It is just cheaper to use gasoline motors in the USA.
There are so many good diesel motors in Europe that the USA never gets because of emissions. I really want to see the 1/2 ton trucks get the mini diesels but that program is in jeopardy for GM/Ford/Dodge.
Sad story, because I'm addicted to diesel now.
I think the US to UK conversion makes it 65 mpg on a US gallon. Pretty good.
That VW is Euro 5 emssions - I had hard time finding how that compared to US - but still be cleaner than >95% of all vehicles on road in US (considering most people are not driving 2010 and newer vehicles.) Plus of course using fewer gallons of fuel for the same number of miles driven.
How is it that 20 years ago I had a 1992 Honda CRX HF (gas) that was EPA highway at 52 mpg? I drove that car over 300,000 miles and that was the highway mileage. One trip averaged 56 mpg.
I hate to see crap like this, the US sucks. I am a firm believer in diesel technology and own a 2006 Duramax that I have removed the EGR, muffler, and Cat on as well as retuned using EFI live that I haul with. It runs cleaner now than it did new thanks to my friend that tunes for me. I also drive a VW Jetta wagon with a TDI for my daily, I have never gotten less than 40 mpg since I bought it.
right on. and that 52 mpg i was talking about was a gas. even that POC geo metra was once EPA 56 MPG (pretty sure it was that but I'm absolutely positive on the Honda CRX HF which was 52 mpg highway)
I think it is a little more complicated than "blame the EPA for everything"...
Looks like the testing has gotten more severe / realistic based on peoples driving habits.
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06009.htm
note it is from 2006, 6 years ago.
here is another one talking about changes coming in 2011...
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06069.htm
Looks like the way they measure it can have quite an impact on the the results..
Looks like the testing has gotten more severe / realistic based on peoples driving habits.
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06009.htm
note it is from 2006, 6 years ago.
here is another one talking about changes coming in 2011...
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06069.htm
Looks like the way they measure it can have quite an impact on the the results..
what year where the vehicles?
Here is an interesting article.
http://www.automobilemag.com/green/...onda_insight/behind_the_wheel_experience.html
If you check out the weights of the same models over the years, you can see that they have gained a lot of weight. I think most of it is due to more stringent safety / crash standards for vehicles, even smaller ones.
Check out this wiki.. scroll down for weights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CR-X
would be interesting to see what it would weight now, but the trend is clearly to increase the weight.
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