So by run a country you mean spend enormous amounts of money and worry about a war across the globe when theres unspeakable problems in our own nieghborhoods?
Theres more to running a country than land use and hunting....
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So by run a country you mean spend enormous amounts of money and worry about a war across the globe when theres unspeakable problems in our own nieghborhoods?
Theres more to running a country than land use and hunting....
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is this why the obama lovers like him?
"We can't wait to fix schools, end global warming, save our streams, our rivers, our forests. That's why I'm running for president, right here, right now. We can't wait," he said, repeating that three times.
thats some very important stuff right there.when these are fixed.all of the other more important problems will just suddenly disappear.LOL
"We can't wait to fix schools, end global warming, save our streams, our rivers, our forests. That's why I'm running for president, right here, right now. We can't wait," he said, repeating that three times.
thats some very important stuff right there.when these are fixed.all of the other more important problems will just suddenly disappear.LOL
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Why worry about a war across the globe??
Oh wait, I think it has something to do with 3000 people being murdered by some terrorist flying planes into buildings. Ya remember that? Sure would have been nice if the former President would have actually spent a little more time on foreign affairs and a little less time getting nobbers.
Spending enourmous amounts of money?? I think you need to talk to your saviour about spending enourmous amounts of money. He is the one that wants to give away 850 billion dollars to countries in a vain attempt to make them like us. The guy is clueless.
Nobama is on a FACT FINDING MISSION overseas as we speak. Im sorry folks FACT FINDING MISSIONS to boost your election hopes in 6 month is complete BS. Bottom line you should know your FACTS before you want to run for the job of Pres.
FACT, Nobama states if elected troops will be home within 16 month. LMAO Obamas Musslim brothers will be back terrorizing the region all over again on the 17th month..... Even those that live in the region know that.
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FACT, Nobama states if elected troops will be home within 16 month. LMAO Obamas Musslim brothers will be back terrorizing the region all over again on the 17th month..... Even those that live in the region know that.
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OK I couldn't just let this one pass by Sorry.
Would that "more to running a country" part be showing up and voting Present on nearly every flipping vote be "running the country" When the Republicans did that to prove a point the Dems Called them out on it as it being nothing but a stupid stunt but don't say a single word about Obama doing it. GOOD EXAMPLE OF LEADERSHIP
For the most part the biggest issues we face economically could be fixed in a couple of bumpy years by Govt getting the F out of the way and dropping taxes and restrictions. But the All-mighty would never do that because "We just can't let everyone work and make money, we have to take it from those evil, smart, hard working, rich ones and give it to the less fortunate" in my most smarmy liberal voice
As for the war I far more trust McCain than Obama. Bad things happen to those that loose or quit wars, history tells us this by example.
On land use I don't like either of them. McCain has drank the global climate change Kool-Aide and will go along with greeny measure for popularity's sake. If Obama gets in it will be a Dem controlled Congress and Presidency and wil sign every measure they put in front of him no matter how damaging to our rights or our economy.
If Obama wins and the Dems retain the House and Senate we will be in trouble Economically, In foreign Policy, and In individual freedoms and liberties unless the only ones that matter to you are Gay Rights and Abortion Rights. But everybody will be miserable together and have the same amount of money, Oh but of course the Politicians and the mega rich will still have money just not everyone that actually has to do something to generate income to support themselves.
OK I couldn't just let this one pass by Sorry.
Would that "more to running a country" part be showing up and voting Present on nearly every flipping vote be "running the country" When the Republicans did that to prove a point the Dems Called them out on it as it being nothing but a stupid stunt but don't say a single word about Obama doing it. GOOD EXAMPLE OF LEADERSHIP
You talking federal or state congress here?
How does Iraq have ANYTHING to do with 9/11? That attack was from Al Qaeda, Iraq had ZERO Al-Qauda in the country prior to the war.
If that is really what this war is about why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia, since all of the attackers were from there.
I am all for being in Afghanastan but Iraq is a joke.
I heard a network news reporter comment how John McCain was going to have a hard time overcoming Obama on foreign policy after his "fact finding mission". What a flippin joke. I am not overly fond of McCain but he has thirty years of foreign policy experience, and has made countless oversees trips to the countries that are being affected by our policy. Obama makes one trip as a political stunt and this makes him an expert?
And as for Obama's mantra of change....
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."
Groucho Marx
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Federal.
Any record in state congress does and doesn't apply. In a way it does in the sense of overall outlook and views but not in the sense of specifics, there are too many unmentioned details to look at for the most part without rifling through the local interests, situations, and what not.
I'll use Jesse Ventura as an example for what I mean. From the outside looking in there were a lot of good ideas and nifty no more govt as usual things to hold high. In reality he damn near bankrupted the state when looking at the long road. Looked good at first but not for the long haul. Also he really didn't accomplish much except shaking things up a bit and restructuring the way the vehicle registration taxes were collected. In a way that was great for him and everyone else driving brand new cars but screwed the people driving 5-10 yo cars. Jesse was and is all about Jesse PERIOD for him Political service is just a way to make money and sell books.
Good point, but it seems to prove the opposite of what you were trying to prove with the whole voting "Present" thing. FYI, the voting for "Present" is only for Illinois state congress. It is a retarded thing they do, and I think they are pretty much the only ones that do it.
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Yeah I guess I worded that a little wrong. I was referring to the Republicans little trick on the "Iraq war funding bill" and the dem's call out on it, and that I feel that looking at voting records on specific issues should be held more on the fed level that the state.
However I don't care what anyone says the "present option" shouldn't be there. That's like saying I went to work today and should get paid for it but I didn't do anything. Voting Present does however help in the overall views portion that I referenced. It shows that he's just another career politician that's playing the game and trying to position himself for an election not for "Change". This is where my argument that he doesn't have experience comes into play. Not so much that he doesn't have it, it that we don't know what he'll do. known vs unknown evil argument, which I'm sure you've heard before.
But the fact that I don't identify hardly at all with the Democratic party of today and the fact that if Obama wins there will be a majority Democratic congressional Branch, Executive Branch and, with the Supreme court nominations that will be coming, a Democratic lean to the Judicial branch. That sounds to me like as close as a one party system as we can get to me and that's not a good thing either way.
However I don't care what anyone says the "present option" shouldn't be there. That's like saying I went to work today and should get paid for it but I didn't do anything. Voting Present does however help in the overall views portion that I referenced. It shows that he's just another career politician that's playing the game and trying to position himself for an election not for "Change". This is where my argument that he doesn't have experience comes into play. Not so much that he doesn't have it, it that we don't know what he'll do. known vs unknown evil argument, which I'm sure you've heard before.
But the fact that I don't identify hardly at all with the Democratic party of today and the fact that if Obama wins there will be a majority Democratic congressional Branch, Executive Branch and, with the Supreme court nominations that will be coming, a Democratic lean to the Judicial branch. That sounds to me like as close as a one party system as we can get to me and that's not a good thing either way.
You should take a look at what voting "Present" actually means in the Illinois congress. I think you are using it to mean something different.
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Well that all depends on the situation and the source from which you get that information.
In it's most basic for the "Present" vote is a dissension from the bill or parts of the bill.
It could mean something is not constitutional about it. But in that case wouldn't you want to vote NO?
It could mean that you would vote for it but there's an addendum that you don't like or that you would vote no but there's one that you do like.
Simply put if these A-holes would stop putting things on addendum that are unrelated a lot of those issues would be resolved. This is also why there needs to be a single bill structure to lawmaking or line item veto. It would also make it a lot easier for us as voters to vote for candidates based on their voting records.
In it's most basic for the "Present" vote is a dissension from the bill or parts of the bill.
It could mean something is not constitutional about it. But in that case wouldn't you want to vote NO?
It could mean that you would vote for it but there's an addendum that you don't like or that you would vote no but there's one that you do like.
Simply put if these A-holes would stop putting things on addendum that are unrelated a lot of those issues would be resolved. This is also why there needs to be a single bill structure to lawmaking or line item veto. It would also make it a lot easier for us as voters to vote for candidates based on their voting records.
I am for going wherever the chicken sh!t murdering ba$tards are, and whoever supports them. The bottom line is WE ARE FIGHTING RADICAL ISLAM OVER THERE, NOT HERE, AND HAVE NOT BEEN ATTACKED SINCE 9/11, not because they have not tried, but because our President and Republican congress had the balls to get security measures in place, in spite of the dems opposition. Why did we go to war with Germany when it was Japan that attacked us, or are you against that war too. Peace, at ANY cost?
For sure, if we elect a DFL party canidate we can be treated to so many special interest programs, goverment oversight and waste, and money going to everything that has Jesse Jackson's name and Al Scharpton involved with it.
Yeah, that's a good choice!
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His comment was about a war across the globe. So from my point of view, that would incompass Iraq and Afganistan. I am not going to get into Iraq with ya, we would pretty much destroy the thread.
It would also have to do with global politics, which would be something else Obama has ZERO experience, skill or knowledge about.
Easy to look like a saint when you haven't DONE anything. Never stick your neck out and you never make a mistake. Looks good, but your still worthless.
Iraq, Iran, Libiya, Afgan, Saudi Arabia, Lebannon & Syria are ALL middle east country's with governaments that support terrorism around the globe. They hate everything about western culture that hate toward our culture as well as there hate toward Isreal which is supported by the USA is what is driving this crisis......And than you add the oil commodity which the middle east has a lifetime surplus that could feed the world and you have a real mess.
I agree, 911 was all Saudi Arabia, the same Saudia Arabia, that owns a vast amount of prime USA real estate, the same Saudi Arabia that the USA/Saudi are envolved in more buisness deals together than anyone can count. Do the search BinLaddens family were educated in the USA.
And if anyone thinks that HomeLand Security is effective or can stop another terrorist attack, you've got wrong.
You can't help but wonder who the US governament is friends with. Saddam Hussin not very long ago was a friend of the USA. The USA even supplied weapons to Saddam to help boolster his army. Than you have Libya's Mommar Kaddafi, who for years was the #1 terrorist on the globe. Now he's turned saint and the USA now recogonizes Libya's Kaddafi as a friend.
The trouble with any governament that continues to do buisness with the enemy and i hate to say this exposes the entire country to trouble and turmoil.
911 gave GB a reason to attack Saddams Iraq out of revenge for Saddams attempt to have GB senior assinated after the 1st gulf war. There was no reason for a 2nd gulf war had Schwartzkoff been allowed to complete the war the 1st time . In fact Schwartzkoff in his biography became very frusturated at GB senior because the job should have been completed the 1st time when Schwartzkoff had the Maddas in his gun sight.
Fact, the USA has very strange bed fellows and because of that we all pay the price.
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I agree, 911 was all Saudi Arabia, the same Saudia Arabia, that owns a vast amount of prime USA real estate, the same Saudi Arabia that the USA/Saudi are envolved in more buisness deals together than anyone can count. Do the search BinLaddens family were educated in the USA.
And if anyone thinks that HomeLand Security is effective or can stop another terrorist attack, you've got wrong.
You can't help but wonder who the US governament is friends with. Saddam Hussin not very long ago was a friend of the USA. The USA even supplied weapons to Saddam to help boolster his army. Than you have Libya's Mommar Kaddafi, who for years was the #1 terrorist on the globe. Now he's turned saint and the USA now recogonizes Libya's Kaddafi as a friend.
The trouble with any governament that continues to do buisness with the enemy and i hate to say this exposes the entire country to trouble and turmoil.
911 gave GB a reason to attack Saddams Iraq out of revenge for Saddams attempt to have GB senior assinated after the 1st gulf war. There was no reason for a 2nd gulf war had Schwartzkoff been allowed to complete the war the 1st time . In fact Schwartzkoff in his biography became very frusturated at GB senior because the job should have been completed the 1st time when Schwartzkoff had the Maddas in his gun sight.
Fact, the USA has very strange bed fellows and because of that we all pay the price.
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