New 850 or stay with 800ho?

[Blobben]

This may sound crazy.. !! If i don't need more power, I just need durabilty. Now i have 17 sks.
My question is: do you guys have any problems with the 800 engine?? (Not prob like tps,relays).

Ihave freinds that ride 800ho and no engine has broken down.

Polaris says the new 850 has improved durabillty.

 

[mountainhorse]

What's wrong with your 17?

The 18 sks is the same other than the 840 powerplant.




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[Blobben]

Nothing wrong with my sks. I like it. But im wondering if im going to sell it while I get sone money for it, and buy the new 850. This sled or if I buy a new one im gong to keep it atleast for 5 years.
So is the 800 durable? How many miles/km have people run it?

 

[mountainhorse]

You've taken the hit on it already.

The 850 is in the same chassis with only minor changes to mounts and electronics.

The front end is the same.

You won't take that 'big hit' on resale till they have a new chassis IMO.



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[Blobben]

Thinking of keeping my sks and spend some money on upgrades, like shocks.

 

[Spaarky]

You've taken the hit on it already.

The 850 is in the same chassis with only minor changes to mounts and electronics.

The front end is the same.

You won't take that 'big hit' on resale till they have a new chassis IMO.

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Minor changes??? The TPS alone is huge. Tired of checking TPS. Wiring, relays.... When you drive 10-16 hrs to ride. It sucks to be down. Hopefully this cures the electrical gremlins. Plus added voltage. Ohhh yeah what about motor mounts.

Guys see the motor but it's a lot more than motor. If the motor is as advertised it's just a bonus.

Plus 4 year engine warranty... Maybe I look at things different.

 

[mountainhorse]

I hear ya spark, and agree with the 840 that it has some significant improvements.

But still an unproven CONSUMER engine.... we'll have a good gauge of the situation with the 840 around this time next season. Possible to trade some minor demons for some major ones with a first year release.

Ben said that his was working well... and overall, the 800 AXYS sleds have worked reliably.... Plus, he said he was happy with his power level.

His concern, I read, was more about depreciation and durability.

The 2017 is a formidable current tech sled and should give great riding for years and miles to come.

Relays... seems we have a handle on that with preventative-Maintenance (PM).
Motor mounts/tq-arm are easy/inexpensive to change as PM.

Spark, with your kind of riding... I would assume you need to buy a new sled more often than most... and I KNOW you are really good at maint/repairs... plus you are boosted, n'est ce pas?

What are you riding now for a sled? (year, mods etc)



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My take is that this new 840 will be delivered in a new chassis for 2021... (5 years on the current chassis [same duration for chassis as the IQ and ProRide] )

 

[tdblakes]

imo... if you have the funds and can make it financially work, I would go for the 850. The true test of durability is in the consumer's hands but what I was told by the engineers when I test rode the 850, they have a lot of time into this unit and are confident in it. They've been working on it since before the launch of the 800HO and have 100k+ miles on it. The standard 4yr warranty would make me pretty comfortable with it, but it is a risk either way... so its up to you to weigh your options. The 850 would be worth it to me... jmo

 

[Blobben]

The problem for me with the 850 is that I live in sweden= 2 years warranty. Not 4 years. If we had 4y I would by the 850 direct.

 

[tdblakes]

The problem for me with the 850 is that I live in sweden= 2 years warranty. Not 4 years. If we had 4y I would by the 850 direct.

Ah I see... decisions decisions ?

 

[Jona$]

Are you sure about that? Sounds weird polaris shouldnt stat behövs tjejr 4 yeay warranty just because ute in Sweden.

 

[DUKHTR3]

Doesn't anyone remember Polaris last try at over 800 cc? If it runs as good as the 900 I think I would be sticking with the 800.

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[Spaarky]

I hear ya spark, and agree with the 840 that it has some significant improvements.

But still an unproven CONSUMER engine.... we'll have a good gauge of the situation with the 840 around this time next season. Possible to trade some minor demons for some major ones with a first year release.

Ben said that his was working well... and overall, the 800 AXYS sleds have worked reliably.... Plus, he said he was happy with his power level.

His concern, I read, was more about depreciation and durability.

The 2017 is a formidable current tech sled and should give great riding for years and miles to come.

Relays... seems we have a handle on that with preventative-Maintenance (PM).
Motor mounts/tq-arm are easy/inexpensive to change as PM.

Spark, with your kind of riding... I would assume you need to buy a new sled more often than most... and I KNOW you are really good at maint/repairs... plus you are boosted, n'est ce pas?

What are you riding now for a sled? (year, mods etc)



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My take is that this new 840 will be delivered in a new chassis for 2021... (5 years on the current chassis [same duration for chassis as the IQ and ProRide] )

Maybe not the entire point, but a lot of the changes were geared towards durability. I don't know how to say this so I will probably talk in circles. Back in the carb sled days maintanence was simple. Keep up with clutches, carbs... Very few working parts. Wiring was very simple.

Sleds are still fairly simple, but maintanence has increased with all the electronics. Tps, electronic valves... Someone said to change plugs in a Doo you need to take it to the dealer. Maintaining a stock sled properly is almost a full time job. If you want to maintain peak performance. I think that's the key.

If this new 850 is more durable. Don't have to set tps, better wiring, better clutch life, motor life... That means I get to spend my wrench time testing set ups and fine tuning. I am all for it. Every indication is Polaris has hit a home run.

I understand the Internet glorifies things a bit. Look at the guys in the Axys section chasing RPM issues. It's a dog fight sometimes to figure out what it is. I am a Polaris guy through and through. It's the only thing I own and probably will own. I don't see the other guys chasing these issues.

I have the choice to add a used HO Axys with BD ST kit to my stable or a new 850. This may be the first year since like 03' I don't ride a boosted sled. Sorry boost Gods, please forgive me. At least my main ride. When I looked at it head to head. I want the "proposed" durability of the 850. I guess time will tell.

Yeah chasis is coming. If you don't take a risk when do you buy. Not next year, following year is new chasis... Wait I don't want first year of new chasis. What if they introduce skinny sled and you have two new chasis .... It's a vicious cycle.

Being in Sweden adds another spin to it. I know it's way more expensive. That would make it a hard decision. I have a question, WHY DO YOU GUYS ALL GET OHLINS!!!! And we can't get em
In the states. I want a set!!!!

Hopefully somewhere in my rambling is a point.

 

[Jaynelson]

Doesn't anyone remember Polaris last try at over 800 cc? If it runs as good as the 900 I think I would be sticking with the 800.

Ski Doo's 1000 was every bit as bad as Polaris' 900 ... yet here we are. From my time in the financial world....

"past performance is not an indicator of future results"

 

[Jaynelson]

Yeah chasis is coming. If you don't take a risk when do you buy. Not next year, following year is new chasis... Wait I don't want first year of new chasis. What if they introduce skinny sled and you have two new chasis .... It's a vicious cycle.

Nailed it. The best year to buy a new sled is the year you want one.

 

[BeartoothBaron]

I'd say stick with what you've got if you're happy with it. The new 850 is not a proven motor yet. Polaris can talk about the development and improvements all they want, and hopefully they've learned their lessons from the 900s, early CFIs, etc, but we won't know until we've got through a couple seasons. I mean, do you have more faith in what a company says, or its track record? Don't get me wrong, I do believe there are some worthwhile improvements there, but it's a little early to come to any conclusions. Also, don't forget your 800 has a Fuji crank where the 850 doesn't...

 

[Madtown]

Thinking of keeping my sks and spend some money on upgrades, like shocks.

I am doing the same on my Pro RMK. See how this first year of the 850 goes then decide if its worth the switch.

 

[turboless terry]

Better to have and not need than need and not have. 850.

 

[MKULTRA]

I'd say stick with what you've got if you're happy with it. The new 850 is not a proven motor yet. Polaris can talk about the development and improvements all they want, and hopefully they've learned their lessons from the 900s, early CFIs, etc, but we won't know until we've got through a couple seasons. I mean, do you have more faith in what a company says, or its track record? Don't get me wrong, I do believe there are some worthwhile improvements there, but it's a little early to come to any conclusions. Also, don't forget your 800 has a Fuji crank where the 850 doesn't...

if the crank is stopping you then you will never owns a another sled since fuji is out of business.

 

[BeartoothBaron]

if the crank is stopping you then you will never owns a another sled since fuji is out of business.

Not saying it's a show-stopper, but it seems that and the single piston ring are question marks on the 850 where the OP's 800 has a potential advantage with regard to durability. In his case, I just don't see an advantage going from a decent (though not bullerproof) motor to a just-released one if he's happy with what he's got. Also, just a technicality, but Fuji is very much in business. They make, and in fact call themselves, Subaru these days; they've pulled out of all small-engine production and sold that off to none other than Yamaha...