I've been told by two different turbo manufactures that a m7 or m8 will out climb any big bore out there, but I had a long talk with a guy who builds 1200's and he said his 1200 on mid grade would out climb a turbo m1000. He said with nitrous it would beat a rg1000. He estimates his 1200 at 240 w/mid grade and 300 w/nitrous, plus it is lighter. Any of you guys have problems with the na1200's?
NA 1200 vs. 800 or 1000turbo
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If he is talking about running at sea level then he is not too far off probably, but take them to 10,000 feet and the rg TM1000 is going to kill his 1200 unless he is running a lot of nitrous. And if that is the case just keep hitting the hill until he runs out of nitrous. Besides if he is running that much nitrous he will probably be running race gas.
From what I have seen an M7 or M8 race gas turbo setup will work over any 1200 kit. Like stated above, altitude has a lot to do with it. This is at 7-10,000 feet, where we ride. 1200 kits run really good, but not gonna get a turbo that is set up right.
OK,
Normally I'd be on the other side of this argument, but the idea that a 1200 would beat a RG M1000 seems pretty preposterous to me.
Normally I'd be on the other side of this argument, but the idea that a 1200 would beat a RG M1000 seems pretty preposterous to me.
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Going West
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Sounds like hes trying to sell his product. I dont think ive ever heard anyone claim they could beat a race gas 1000 with a n/a sled. Maybe if your just talking about some of that lame hill racing and your going to throw stupid amounts of nitrous at the motor, but thats not going to work for every day riding. I think brent linderman has beat up on a few full race setups, but i garuntee hes not riding that sled every day.
When his sled beat a rg1000 they were drag racing and I didn't ask how far they raced. The 1200 was on the bottle, but he said it wasn't working like it should so the 1200 kept hitting the button instead of keeping a steady flow the whole way, but still managed to pull a couple of lengths. I am more interested to know how a 1200 wo/bottle compares to a pg1000 or rg800 because this is the power level I am wanting to be at. The 1200 kit is around $1500 less than a pg kit, should have way more bottom end, and the sled will be lighter.
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mtn_extreme
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" and the sled will be lighter. "
You are going to be hard pressed to be lighter than a race gas 800 turbo. Just too much weight to loose from the m1000 platform base.
You are going to be hard pressed to be lighter than a race gas 800 turbo. Just too much weight to loose from the m1000 platform base.
Sorry, I was comparing it to another 1000 because that is what I am planning on boosting. The only reason I brought 800's into the discussion was because there is a ton of 800's on boost. So I figured one of you guys might have run across a 1200 out on the hills. Of course if you gave a 1200 a wallopin' he might not admit he was big bored.
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sidewinder
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my 2cents
Something to think about even if the power could be close (which I vote with the turbo crowd) Big bore motor = custom jugs and pistons, which if you sieze or burn down are farther away than a fully stock motor with a huffer on it. Just a thought since I usually get to buy some parts before I get things tuned in to my satisfaction.
Something to think about even if the power could be close (which I vote with the turbo crowd) Big bore motor = custom jugs and pistons, which if you sieze or burn down are farther away than a fully stock motor with a huffer on it. Just a thought since I usually get to buy some parts before I get things tuned in to my satisfaction.
Why not just do both?
1200 on boost!! "Now that's the ticket"!!
1200 on boost!! "Now that's the ticket"!!
i love bigbores...but i aint blind...the turbo rules..its just running the race fuel on the rgt..affordability is the only consideration...most bigbores end up costing very close to pgt..
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SSWIM
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Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a winner. Elevation will make ALL the difference. 10k-13k' will put a hurting on na sleds. Maybe a very poorly setup TM1000 would have a hard time with a very well set up NA M1200 at say 8-10k'. But if they are both setup properly I believe you will see the TM1000 work the na M1200.
Sam
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Most time will be spent in the 6000' to 8000' range. From the numbers I have seen this should be high enough for a lightly massaged pgt1000 to shine. However I have no real world experience with either of these. So I was trying to keep an open mind and hear some real world accounts from the people running the kits instead of the people selling the kits.
Most time will be spent in the 6000' to 8000' range. From the numbers I have seen this should be high enough for a lightly massaged pgt1000 to shine. However I have no real world experience with either of these. So I was trying to keep an open mind and hear some real world accounts from the people running the kits instead of the people selling the kits.
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bigbull
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PLEASE OH PLEASE, enough with the Drags. Keep it for Fairview! Who the he11 cares about drag racing when you are: #1 not geared for it, #2 Not tuned for it, #3 designed your fuel curve around boondocking and climbing. So sorry, but if I hear another drag race comparison I think I might puke.
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I agree that is why I made sure everyone knew it was a drag race, but this was the only comparison I was given from the na side.
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Klimbing Kitty
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Alright I have both and both are set up perfect at 6000 feet the 1200 running 1/3 110 octane fuel and the M8 running RG there is no comparison. The TM8 will win every time. The 1200 will take it off the line but that is about it the Turbo will catch it and walk away.
Racing mountain sleds across a lake is pointless. Put them on a hill and compare how they climb that is what they are made for. If you want to race on lakes buy a short track
Racing mountain sleds across a lake is pointless. Put them on a hill and compare how they climb that is what they are made for
. If you want to race on lakes buy a short track
Racing
OK from what I have read it sounds like they are drag racing and if that be the case on flat if set up right meaning the 1200 he might beat him in a 500 ft race. Put it on the mountain and it is a different story the turbo M8 will kick it all day long.
With that said you should not say that a normally aspirated sled can not kick a m1000 T but at the beaver hill climbs Brad Wursten 1600 water craft in a Polaris kick several M1000 and 1200 Turbo,s Butt it was in sane and I do not plane on lining up with raided X any time soon either. I think that is what it is called the sled that rolled going up the race hill at the Big Iron shoot out.
OK from what I have read it sounds like they are drag racing and if that be the case on flat if set up right meaning the 1200 he might beat him in a 500 ft race. Put it on the mountain and it is a different story the turbo M8 will kick it all day long.
With that said you should not say that a normally aspirated sled can not kick a m1000 T but at the beaver hill climbs Brad Wursten 1600 water craft in a Polaris kick several M1000 and 1200 Turbo,s Butt it was in sane and I do not plane on lining up with raided X any time soon either. I think that is what it is called the sled that rolled going up the race hill at the Big Iron shoot out.
