My views on foreign policy

[Mafesto]

Some of the following may be used in an article, feel free to critique or chime in with your own thoughts.

If our founding fathers could return to see what we have done with that which they provided for us, what would they have to say?
Would they be fine with the idea that politicians could serve a term & be set for life?
Or that our veterans often survive below what society deems the level of poverty?
Would they find it wise to give billions away to craphole countries that burn our flags?
Would they also send soldiers, ambassadors & contractors to these countries have no intention of helping themselves much less repaying
the US for providing what they are unwilling to fight for themselves.
You may label these views as isolationalistic, and for the sake of discussion let's assume that to be the case. After all, we were raised to
help those in need and I believe that.
To illustrate my point let's call the world scene one big poker game. If you have most of the chips you
never really have to fold, you can play out and influence every hand. When your pile of chips becomes small you make decisions as to which hands
you remain in. These decisions are based on risk vs reward in hopes of building that pile of chips back up to a competitive level. Well I think
the US is playing like there is an endless supply of chips, remaining in hands that are impossible of winning and hands that aren't worth
playing out, the reward not being worth the risk.
We need to pull back, regroup so we can live to fight another day. Let these other nations fight amongst themselves while we get back in to
fighting shape. Let the world know we would prefer not to babysit for awhile and it would be best to leave us be. But if we are pushed hard
enough, we will react, but we may not mess around sending in ground troups.
We once silenced the world with a display of just what we are
capable of when pushed far enough. When we decide to fight, let's fight to win.
Many innocent lives were lost when we bombed Nagasaki & Hiroshima, but in the long run the greater good was served.
I do not feel those in power today have the same resolve required to make such a decision.
Once the dust settles we can decide if mercy and compassion are
appropriate at that point.


Let's have a debate regarding the ramifications of such policy.

 

[POLZIN]

I couldnt agree with your anology any more . we should focus on OUR problems defense spending should only be to defend our borders.

IMO all of our forieign policy has only cost us blood and treasure and gained us enemies.

And Im just going to say it ! FAWK Isreal .

 

[xc6rider]

Everyone here in the States wants our own gov't to leave us alone, imagine how it'd be if we were being bullied around by Germany etc...

We need to keep it state-side and quit policing the damn world!

No wonder were a constant #1 terrorist target.

 

[bholmlate]

Don’t take this the wrong way but are we suppose to talk about what the actual US <ST1</ST1foreign policy is here or what YOUR view of what the US Foreign policy is? I am willing to bet they are two COMPLETELY different things.

I am sure your view differs from mine and a lot of other peoples in this forum as well. Most of us are TRULY uneducated on what the US Foreign Policy actually is in this country because we are only told what they (the Government) wants us to hear.

<O</OYour analogy of the poker game is an interesting one. If one person is left at the table with all the chips, it isn’t much of a game now is it. This is the ultimate goal in poker correct? To keep the game going you would need to “redistribute” the share of the chips at some point right? I just had to use the word redistribute” because I know someone will get their panties in a bunch over it and try to label me a socialist and commy.

You said that "you can play out and influence every hand" which is correct to a point. Let’s say that you have all the chips at the table and I suck at poker and have nothing left. You can try to influence me all you want with your views. However if your goal is something that I fundamentally disagree with you wont be able to influence me. That is just a fact. Then what happens?? Remember I have nothing to loose and you have everything to loose before you make your next move.

When the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

</st1:country-region>US goes into these countries its has nothing to do with them not wanting to stand up for themselves and has everything to do with the <ST1</ST1US's own persuit of its goals. War is big business for a certain group of people and it is certainly not the group that has to get their azzes shot off either.

Just like in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Japan</st1:country-region> after we dropped the bomb, the US <ST1went in and rebuilt the cities with aid. Why because they got our tax dollars to go to war and now they get even more money in humanitarian efforts after. If you can get paid to blow stuff up and earn even more money with government contracts to rebuild the stuff you just blew up, why wouldn't you want to blow more stuff up? Sounds a lot like our millitary machine doesnt it. we blew up Iraq went in and started to rebuild the stuff we blew up
Afganistan and we are trying to rebuild it as well. I sense a pattern here.
<O</O

 

[Mafesto]

And doing all that on borrowed money is INSANE!

 

[bholmlate]

I agree with you on that one. But is it really borrowed money when the US <ST1</ST1government has the ability to print its own money?

 

[Mafesto]

I agree with you on that one. But is it really borrowed money when the US <ST1</ST1government has the ability to print its own money?

Good point.
It's actually fake money.

 

[polaris dude]

yeah I don't really understand the point of our foreign policy. We shovel money into these poor countries but what do we get in return? It doesn't seem like anything. But at the same time everything is done for a reason so whose benefiting from this? Im sure there is some big business that is(like big oil in the middle east). Also, why do we still have military bases in Germany and Japan???

 

[ruffryder]

Looks like Obama called out Libya and Muslims for their reaction to the movie..

bout time

 

[Super B]

Looks like Obama called out Libya and Muslims for their reaction to the movie..

bout time

That attack was coordinated and planned. The movie just happened to come out at the right time. The truth is it was a terrorist attack on our Embassy. Obama has his head up his azz again.

 

[ruffryder]

That attack was coordinated and planned. The movie just happened to come out at the right time. The truth is it was a terrorist attack on our Embassy. Obama has his head up his azz again.

The attacks seem so, but the riots don't seem like they were.

 

[bholmlate]

That attack was coordinated and planned. The movie just happened to come out at the right time. The truth is it was a terrorist attack on our Embassy. Obama has his head up his azz again.

Super_B I think the people who have their head up their AZZ is the media who reported that way not the OBAMA Administration. However since he gets blamed for everything these days why not pile some more on right?. The temps are dropping around my area that must be Obama's fault too because it was warm just a week ago.

Some of the protests were directly related to the film. However the attacks on the embassy's as it has been determined after the attacks too place were carried out by a small orginized terrorist group who seized the oppertunity and attacked us.

That film was out on the interent a long time before this whole mess started plus if you look there are so much other stuff out there that is way worse then this film and it has not cause anything.

 

[winter brew]

Looks like Obama called out Libya and Muslims for their reaction to the movie..

bout time

Words won't cut it....still sending billions in aid is not a show of force or "calling out". He won't do a damn thing but talk about it, he doesn't want to make waves until after the election....meanwhile we'll wait and see how many more Americans are sodomized and killed by our "allies".
As for the movie....it went on youtube in what March or May?? Had 3,000 views before 9/11 and somehow there were coordinated demonstrations about this movie in 20+ countries simultaneously? right. It was a coordinated terrorist attack in celebration of the 9/11 attacks which there were warnings about at least 6 days prior. How many of those "protesters" had seen the movie?...few to none.

 

[polaris dude]

the fact these people cannot take criticism of their prophet is proof enough of their lack of education. If their leaders would give these people an education the region would be so much better off. However, their religious "leaders" prefer to keep the people ignorant and stupid because they are much easier to control that way.

 

[winter brew]

the fact these people cannot take criticism of their prophet is proof enough of their lack of education. If their leaders would give these people an education the region would be so much better off. However, their religious "leaders" prefer to keep the people ignorant and stupid because they are much easier to control that way.

Are you referring to the USA?

 

[bholmlate]

I say if the shoe fits.... and if the glove doesnt fit you must acquit