M8 vs M1000 final decision

[maelstrom57]

Looking at picking up a new 09 M8 or M1000. The question is which unit is more reliable. I'm not trying to mod either unit up too much but I don't want to be dicking around with them all the time. My riding is low elevation, 3000' max. I weight in at around 230 # plus gear and I'm worrying the 09 M8 won't have the beans to carry me around while taking some runs at our small hills with deep powder. I've settled on a 153" track length so now I need to decide on the engine. It seems from reading around that the M1000 is potentially more work. Is this correct or just that those owners want to max the 1000 out to it's full potential. Thoughts??

 

[backcountryislife]

The people that have left their 1000's close to stock have had a very reliable sled, the problem is most of us are hp crackheads that can't leave well enough alone!!

If you spend a FEW bucks taking a bit of weight from the front end you'll be very happy with the m1000.

A lot of the people that say the 1000 was difficult to ride are talking about the 07 which felt MUCH more nose heavy than the newer ones, mostly because of suspension setup.

 

[snowmobiler]

200 ccs is alot of beans

 

[OuraySledder]

The M8 will definately haul you around just fine. Even where we ride, 800's at 10-13k ft take us up some serious hills.

An M8 with an SLP single and can will make 160 hp. You don't need a tuner box for this and it puts you close to where a stock M1000 is.

I will admit to having a hp problem. The M1000 with an SLP single and tuner box will make 195 hp and be very reliable. For me, it is just too hard to pass that up. More power than that just means I am going to ride places I shouldn't.

Need just doesn't figure into this question. It is want... or greeeed

 

[M8Chris]

Sounds like you want and should get the 1000.

 

[cpa]

If you have decided on the 153" I would get the M8. If you were getting a 162" go with the 1000 IMHO. I have a very well running 05 M7 with a 153" that is just about as fun of a sled as you could have. I wouldn't want a 162" on it. I also have a 09 1000 with a 162". There is just no replacement for displacement. I had an 07 1000 with a 153" and really didn't like it. I think the 1000 needs the extra track.

Either way with the 09's I am sure you will be happy.

 

[maelstrom57]

The more I look at this, the more undecided I become. I thought that going with an 09 M1000 Sp was my best option, but after doing all the number crunching, including the freight to more a unit to eastern canada, it looks as if just getting a 2010 M8 LE is almost the same price. A little more $$, but I would end up with a new 2010 M8 with similar power as the 09 M1000. Also, I don't miind support the local dealer as long as I'm not getting the shaft. Not struck on the black LE but that's the only M series he has available.

 

[maelstrom57]

Further to my above post, my main problem black LE is not as much the hood as the tunnel and running boards. I could always put a graphic kit on the hood although I don't think anyone has anything which would cover up the black tunnel to any degree. Any ideas...

 

[Chazmanian]

Further to my above post, my main problem black LE is not as much the hood as the tunnel and running boards. I could always put a graphic kit on the hood although I don't think anyone has anything which would cover up the black tunnel to any degree. Any ideas...

I have an idea to throw out there.....a black 09' M1000 base model with a silver tunnel

I rode both a 2010 M8 and a 2009 M8 this past Sunday....Neither throw down that brutal pull of the big Uno Litre'.....That 2010 M8 is way stronger than the 09' and sure does feel light and nimble tho! But it aint gots that Big Uno torque monster motor. Its revvier and peaky. 1000 is an absolute beast.

I ride an XP and I'm simply amazed by my buddies big Uno Litre's ability to climb the steep stuff.

The guy on the 2010 M8 last weekend challenged by "Trenchy" the war pig?? Pointed us to a bowl to go climb and hightailed out on us.....Me on my XP cant climb with that 1000 either.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

slp has a pipe and power commander setup that as far as I've heard is pull and go(haven't heard of any problems). the 09 m1000 with all the slp pipe, Power commander, clutching, and some extra venting will stomp a 2010 m8 if you road both sleds one after the other. especially if you ride in heavier snow.

 

[Dale Hastings]

I ride an 09 m1000. rode it last winter stock. riding now with RKT heads and porting, speedwerx pipe and Ypipe,super Q can, BDX air intake, clutches vented front back side and top. those mods took about 25 pounds of the front end. I,ve rode with stock and modded XPs, M8s, dragons. Just the pipe an can was not enough weight loss or power gain. If you are going to leave it stock buy the 2010 M8. with my mods I a,m very very very! happy.

 

[Chazmanian]

slp has a pipe and power commander setup that as far as I've heard is pull and go(haven't heard of any problems). the 09 m1000 with all the slp pipe, Power commander, clutching, and some extra venting will stomp a 2010 m8 if you road both sleds one after the other. especially if you ride in heavier snow.

At 10-12K above sea-level with a 230 pound fatass on board.....The 09' M1000 with just a can will outpull and flat outmotor that 2010 M8 in most every scenario.

Out of the hole the 8's can get the Big Grande by a lenght or two....Then that frieght train just goes on by with skis in the air.

Maybe its our crazy high altitude thats just making that 1000 shine? Maybe its because we are both to fat for stock 800's?

My buddy who has been killing me on the long climbs on that stock M1000 now has a new PC111 sitting in the garage and the full SLP pipe setup enroute.....Last weekend that stock M100 was the only sled out of a few Poo's and my Doo to make it up and over superchicken hill at grand lake Colorado and literally launch off the top like an ugly black space shuttle with a fat kid onboard!!

Thinking when the UPS guy arrives with that big box holding 195 Horse's worth of XP spankin' power.

I'll tell him he is at the wrong address?

 

[WyoBoy1000]

in snow without a bottom(sugar) the stock 09 m1 compared to a 2010 m8 there is going to be "little" difference. Same hp but the m8 is a lot lighter, stock for stock. the only plus the m1 has on the m8 is a little more torque and when your running at full rpm up a hill torque doesn't play as much of a part, only when your off and on the throttle. In snow the m1 can hook up on it flat packs the fat a$$ over the hill.

 

[Chazmanian]

in snow without a bottom(sugar) the stock 09 m1 compared to a 2010 m8 there is going to be "little" difference. Same hp but the m8 is a lot lighter, stock for stock. the only plus the m1 has on the m8 is a little more torque and when your running at full rpm up a hill torque doesn't play as much of a part, only when your off and on the throttle. In snow the m1 can hook up on it flat packs the fat a$$ over the hill.

I always have mad respect for you Bro as you know yer' cats.....But I gots to disagree with ya on this one.

Rode the new M8 back to back with the 09' M1000 and an 09' M8 as well.

That M8 may say it has 162 Horsepower in them Magazines but it aint feeling like that on the snow compared to that M1000.

You push the flapper to the bars on that 1000 and you feel every stinking bit of that Buck Sixty....That M1000 makes my bad wrist hurt when I get on the gas. It pulls harder than a draft horse on crack and holds track speed like crazy.

The new M8? Honestly when I rode it I was expecting way more motor.

My 09' XP pulls that new M8 right outta the hole and feels faster and stronger albeit I have an RK Tek head and some clutch work. Then again I can pull the M1000 outta the hole but get reeled in and left with a face full of snow chunks in very short order as that fat fvcker sails by.

I will qoute the all-knowing BackCountryIsLife / Kaleb on this one

"I've owned a number of M8's, and M1000's. I currently own both an hcr-T & a 141 1000, just rode an 010 hcr on sat.
Anyone who tells you that the 010 is comparable to a 1000 is pulling your peter, tell them to stop".

 

[snowmobiler]

ive seen m7s with the attack 20 spankin 1000s in 4 feet of fresh.its a rare snow condition and i was pissed cuz i was on the 1000.LOL

 

[WyoBoy1000]

You have to factor in the snow quality. The snow I road in Saturday my slp m1000 would hook up on making the 2010 m8 shine. Still wont beat the slp m1 but I'm sure it would have beat a stock 09 m1000. My buddie is 45lbs lighter and the sleds should be within 5lbs of each other and we where neck and neck. I felt like I wasn't pulling half the power because the snow would stay under me, just spun it right out. He flies right up with less of a trench. A stock m1000 is at least 20lbs heavier than the 2010 m8 and 30 less hp. the weight to power ratio is within .1 but in sugar weight plays the bigger role.

 

[Chazmanian]

A stock m1000 is at least 20lbs heavier than the 2010 m8 and 30 less hp

30 less HP???

I thought that the M1000 dynoed at a true 160-163 Vs' the new 800HO M8 doing 157-159?

 

[backcountryislife]

ive seen m7s with the attack 20 spankin 1000s in 4 feet of fresh.

we can play scenario games all day long, the 1000 with a 121 track compared to an M8 with a 174, in early season snow, that m8 will spank the 1000, ...

stock to stock, track to track, same year to same year, boost to boost, $$$ of mods to same $$...
the 1000 wins. You may be able to create a scenario where this is incorrect, but I guarantee you the it's in the minority.

The 010 hcr I just compared to an 08 1000 with Y & intake only no weight loss, the hcr was laughable. 2 years newer, much lighter, and still got it's...umm, back 1/2 handed to it. (couple feet of crappy snow)

 

[WyoBoy1000]

30 less HP???

I thought that the M1000 dynoed at a true 160-163 Vs' the new 800HO M8 doing 157-159?

i meant comparing to the slp m1000, my bad. (I keep getting interrupted and leave off where I picked up.)

Don't fail to notice I am only giving the 2010 m8 a plus in just the right snow conditions and no where else.

 

[HiWaYman92]

That makes me feel a little better. Maybe I just need to get a little more serious about my suspension/clutching. Everything is bone stock. I have no idea how much air is the rear shock, and dont' really know what should in it... Can someone give me some pointers on setting this thing up for a 245 pound rider (without gear).