M1000 vs M8 what's the real scoop

[edgey]

Alot of people say the pick the m8 over the 1000 why is the 1000 that much heavier? I have a 09 m8 with slp pipe and love it but would like a little more power and the wife likes my sled so I might look for a 1000 and give her the 8 so looking for some input on the 1000.

Does it not perform like it should or is it to much sled for alot of people? The aftermarket guys are claming big power out of them with some simple bolt on's are the numbers to good to be true?

 

[snowmobiler]

the 1000 is to much power for the average rider.heard this from several dealers that got feedback.in some snow conditions the big dog feels like it has twice the hp as the 800.you need to test ride one

 

[PSYCHO EYES]

I put minor mods to my 09 m1 and it became a handful. A simple D&D y-pipe to can setup, an aftermarket intake and RKT secondary kit was all I had done. Lots of power and low end grunt makes it feel just as light and nimble as any M8. Not taking anything away from the M8 of course. Its the best 800 in its class to date.

 

[doornenbal]

I have spent time on both and really the year makes a huge difference. 08 to 08 there is no comparison the 1000 is way better. When you start talking 08 m1000 to 09 m8 the gap becomes closer but the low end tourqe from the 1000 is so much fun in the trees. I have not had the ability to ride an 09 M1000 but if the same increase in performance happend wow!. This is only talking stock to stock as well.

Just my two cents but but I love my 1000 now if I only had money for a turbo!

 

[M.M. 700]

Maybe think of it this way. (Without getting into weights of aftermarket to stock Cat 1000) There is not alot of complaints about the extra weight of an aftermarket big bore's on a M7/M8

 

[Killerk]

Lots of variables to compare.
My .02:Track type and length makes a big difference on how they will perform against eachother.
I ride an 08 m1000 153 with the stock camo (now running an A-20)
The very deep pow days an m8 can run right with me at times... Especially if there is no run at the hill.
If I can get a run, I can usually beat them.
The 162 1000's do a lot better in theses conditions.
If the 1000 has a PC or A-20, the shorter track will do surprisingly well and usually outperform the 8.
If its not super deep, able to penetrate to a harder layer, or slightly set up snow, the 1000 will KILL the 8 every time!
The tourque and grunt of a 1000 cannot be matched.

Fun factor, the 8 wins everytime... The 1000 is not that much heavier, and is easily manageable but it absolutely has a different front end feel than an 8.

 

[edgey]

Thanks for all the responses I will have to see if I can ride one this winter. Just looking to do a pipe setup, fuel box, and some clutching so that it would still be a pull and go sled. Have the 1000's been as reilable as the 800's?

 

[smoothdawg]

I came off of an 07 M1000 162, SLP, chall extr. to an 09 M1000 sp 162 and I REALLY like the 09 in every way comparitively. Hard to believe stock for stock an 800 would even be close.

 

[Frostbite]

I certainly don't care to start the urinary olympics and to be honest, I have ridden a 09 M1000 exactly once, so I'm no expert for sure.

I rode the 09 M1000 at the same time I rode a 09 M8. I was coming off a RX-1 so I was looking for a light and flickable sled with plenty of power, and to me the M8 was it.

I know there is only a 30 lb difference in the weight of the sleds but, it felt to me like all 30 of those pounds were residing on the front bumper of the M1000

I was riding the sleds up and down the same hills and when I'd turn around at the bottom of a hill and nail the throttle, the sled would snap to attention and the nose of the M8 would jump into the air and become as light as a feather dancing up the hill where I wanted it based on slight changes in body english.

The M1000 may not have been set up as well but, it seemed to spin a bit more when I'd nail it at the bottom of the hill and the front end didn't jump in the air like the M8. It seemed to be building torque like a diesel vs. the snappy small block V8 feel of the M8. Now as you know, once a diesel gets into it's powerband nothing will stop it but, it's just not as fun to zip around on as the small block feel of the M8.

We even drag raced both 09 Sno Pros up the mountain. The M8 jumped the M1000 out of the hole but, the M1000 caught it in a couple hundered yards. The hill was too short to figure out what would happen next but, I suspect the M1000 would blow on by the M8 once it gets its legs under it but, for short pulls up reasonable sized hills, I think the M8 just might be a more fun choice, at least it was for me.

 

[Rprecision]

I rode a older 07ish M1000 and compared to my newer M8 it seemed notably heavier and harder to lay over. I was only on it for about 20 minutes.

All things being equal, I carry alot of crap with me, so if I had it to do all over again a 1000 may not be a bad route to take.

I think the best way to answer your question is to look at two things:

1. your total ride weight
2. your intended use

I think a m8 will be more nimble. If your goal is to climb up and down a hill all day, the m1000 may be the ticket. If not playing in the trees mixed riding maybe the M8.

Some of the deal I see folks getting on Turbo M8's you may be able to get both !

End of the day turbo or not Theres no replacement for dispacement!

 

[Samurai]

torque baby

 

[SLEDIOT]

torque baby

X2 very noticeable with mine. The torue is way more even more than MY m7-900 D&D big bore. Its just there even with minor pipe setup. The 900 is setup to be a real runner and just doesnt quite cut the 1000. Heres a pic of 4 m1000's runs on a steep fu@$%cker in Skagway Alaska. The bottom loop was done by an M8. It just needed some boost or somethin'

 

[Frostbite]

No doubt about it, if exclusively high marking is your game. Go M1000 (or a turbo M8).

If your idea of fun is busting power and boondocking, or playing in the tight trees, and you think highmarking is best left to the horse power junkies then maybe your type of riding is more suited to a M8?

Heck, they are both great sleds. I had myself convinced I wanted a M1000. No doubt about it. I figured if I changed the seat, the exhaust and added a BDX air box I could be very close to the stock weight of an 09 M8.

Then I rode both sleds back to back and for me it was game over.

 

[vdog0531]

when i made the switch to cat last winter from ski doo i was torn between 8 or 10 and when i went to the dealer, Dale himself looked at me, chuckled (i'm 6 3 and 240) and said, there is nothing to debate here, get the 1000. maybe a smaller size man would be ok on the 8 but with how easy the chassis is manuever... why not opt for the extra power? i put a boss seat and a can on it and that makes up for half the weight difference.

 

[Samurai]

Yup i agree with many comments stated above........if your bigger...take the 1000...if your a smaller or medium sized rider and experienced and strong....get the 1000 also ......set up properly with the right rider the 8 cant boon dock with the 1000 either. It's also nothing to drop 40 lbs of the 1000 chassis. We own 2 of each in the family...and my daughter inlaw who is 115 tops is a boondocking maniac.......if she comes out with us....a guy is riding a m8:d:d.

Many people make the mistake of riding machines to do comparisions in there stock form.....thats fine...and their choice...but many dont realize how even small mods... Change the nature of the beast.
Alot of these comparision shoppers should try a set-up 1000...and i mean a set-up 1000.
Alot of guys spend 1000's on a m8 to achieve what the 1000 came with from the factory.....now if that money had been spent on dropping the 30 lbs of the 1000...they would be miles ahead....WITH A WARRANTY THAT WONT BE DISPUTED DUE TO ENGINE MODS

there's no replacement for displacement!!!!!

 

[Dano702]

I am not a big guy , 6' 1'' and 195 . When i rode my 162 8 after it was broke in , i was not happy . I am an addict though , maybe some people dont mind that.

After one full year on race gas at 12-14 lbs , i am going to a TM1000 . When i bought my 8 i got a great deal , and there were no deals on M1000's. I got a race gas M8 for what a stock M1000 was going to cost , or close.

Power is a drug , and i cant seem to get enough . When i get more than i need it never lasts long. The 8 is a great sled , on 12 lbs it will scare the hell out of you . For a little while.

Now that there is a new 8 out , now might be a good time to be looking for an M1000.

 

[Bearcat]

My pal bought M1000 153 -09 and I had some time on it last winter. In stock form it was big dissappointment! Absolutely no throttle response and the power didn't feel so huge compared to 800. Actually my CF 7 SP -06 with RS 8 bb kit felt stronger. But the chassis felt really superb! I can't understand why people says it's heavy. To me it's really nimble and fun sled to run - even compared to my own sled which is only 141".

Pal was dissapointed for the sled (mean the power). Luckily we put SLP pipe and BD box in and sled woke up! After pipe there was no comparesion to 800cc - any brand. Pal's clutching is still stock and it will be our mission for the next year.

So if you are going to keep it stock, I'd get M8. But with minor mods M1000 will be really fun sled! I'd get M1000.

 

[DesertSportsman]

How does the new 2010 800 compare to the 1000. It seems as hp is very close now and the 800 is supposed to rev like a 600-700? Just curious how they will perform against each other... thx

 

[sunbather1969]

desertsportsman

torque=distance from pivot x amount of force or "work" horsepower=work divided by time = no replacement for displacement. not being smart just explaining,if youre a big guy or have a big track with deep pow you want cubes.

 

[Samurai]

torque=distance from pivot x amount of force or "work" horsepower=work divided by time = no replacement for displacement. Not being smart just explaining,if youre a big guy or have a big track with deep pow you want cubes.

sums it nicely