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Veedy
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I know, not sled related, but I thought people should know about this. Just in case, you never know...
Continuous chest compressions
Continuous chest compressions
Learn to save a life.
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Veedy
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I think a lot of people get freaked out with the mouth to mouth respiration part. This way you know that at least with CCC you are getting blood to the brain. It gives the person in need a fighting chance until the medics arrive, but I would say that if your out somewhere far away from help, you will need to follow proper first aid techniques ( chest compressions and respiration ) to ensure oxygen is getting to the right places. I used to take a saint johns ambulance CPR and first aid course every year when I worked for the railway (20 years ) but since I left that job, I would like to take it again for refresher. Never know when it can come in handy. Knowledge can be dangerous as well as helpful.
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Duke
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I take the Canadian Red Cross - Standard First Aid CPR/AED Level C course every three years. The last time I took it, they were still teaching 30 & 2. (30 Chest Compressions & 2 Breaths). They accept the Continuous compression method if you have witnessed an adult collapse and know the body hasn't used up all of its oxygen (eg.say not to use it for a drowning, or a respiratory emergency that may have caused the cardiac arrest) - probably not recommended for an Avalanche victim.
"The Canadian Red Cross recognizes that compression-only CPR is an acceptable alternative for those who are unwilling, unable, untrained, or are no longer able to perform full CPR."
http://www.redcross.ca/article.asp?id=26902&tid=001
"The Canadian Red Cross recognizes that compression-only CPR is an acceptable alternative for those who are unwilling, unable, untrained, or are no longer able to perform full CPR."
http://www.redcross.ca/article.asp?id=26902&tid=001
I take it every 3 years for work. Take the CPr for health care workers through Red Cross
general thought it there is enough O2 inteh blood most times to just do compressions. Thought is then the brain for sure gets O2, whereas we expell mostly CO2 and in the heat of the moment seldom is proper rescue breathing done....let alone compressions.
But it's harder to screw up compressions so that's what's recommended for the lay person.
Also I asked about helmets and injury since I sled and ride bikes. Basically if the person is breathing, even just shallow small breathing and they wadded up then leave the helmet on and perform compressions if needed.....don't touch the helmet (unless they and you have the nifty Shock Doc Eject System, used my all MX/SX racers, it removes the lid without worring about the neck).
However if they have wadded up and are not breathing then you are best to say F the spine and get that lid off to perform breathing....better to risk broken neck then death.
Good topic Veedy, I'
d love if there wasa CPR and first aid for the back country motorsports group....our injuries and emergencies are going to be on a whole other scale vs even skiers, etc.
general thought it there is enough O2 inteh blood most times to just do compressions. Thought is then the brain for sure gets O2, whereas we expell mostly CO2 and in the heat of the moment seldom is proper rescue breathing done....let alone compressions.
But it's harder to screw up compressions so that's what's recommended for the lay person.
Also I asked about helmets and injury since I sled and ride bikes. Basically if the person is breathing, even just shallow small breathing and they wadded up then leave the helmet on and perform compressions if needed.....don't touch the helmet (unless they and you have the nifty Shock Doc Eject System, used my all MX/SX racers, it removes the lid without worring about the neck).
However if they have wadded up and are not breathing then you are best to say F the spine and get that lid off to perform breathing....better to risk broken neck then death.
Good topic Veedy, I'
d love if there wasa CPR and first aid for the back country motorsports group....our injuries and emergencies are going to be on a whole other scale vs even skiers, etc.
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Cpt.Ron
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Great thread Veedy, one never knows if or when it will be neccesary, but the training is very important, I have lost track of how many times I have taken First Aid & CPR training through work over the years, ..I hope to never need to put this training to use, but if I should be required to, at least I will be prepared.
As X-rated pointed out, a specific course for Back Country Motorsports enthusiasts would be cool.
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As X-rated pointed out, a specific course for Back Country Motorsports enthusiasts would be cool.
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Duke
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http://wildernessfirstaid.ca/wilder...s/index.html?gclid=CO3b6-6J658CFRTyDAodEi3BZA
These would be good courses.
P.S. Do the snow dance for me for Monday !!
These would be good courses.
P.S. Do the snow dance for me for Monday !!
To the bolded part. If a person is breathing then their heart is beating. Don't administer compressions to a breathing person. Sometimes the reverse is true...they have a pulse but are not breathing. If they're unconscious and turning blue in the face/lips they are probably choking. Perform the Heimlich if you know how. If they are not blue then rescue breath for them.
CPR/First Aid is inexpensive and many employers either offer the class in-house or will reimburse you for attending.
Here in Alaska a snowmobiler died of a heart attack while out riding this season. It's not always avalanches that get us.
Thanks Veedy
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Thanks for this Veedy! This is important stuff for people to know. 
I keep up at the first aid level now......I was a volunteer EMT with our local Ambu for 10 years, during which time I was also a Certified AHA CPR Instructor. One never knows when they'll need this.
I keep up at the first aid level now......I was a volunteer EMT with our local Ambu for 10 years, during which time I was also a Certified AHA CPR Instructor. One never knows when they'll need this.
been doing some thinking on this. What do you guys think it would take to get a Dr, EMt, etc to sit down and write/figure out a curiculum for an 8 hour class on the basics for this?
I know there is a road bike outfit that has classes on accident scene management (can't think of the name but I almost took the beginner 8 hour class and they have an advanced 8 hour as well). Perhaps something like that could be easily adapted?
I am on the lookout for a Dr who would fit the bill at my work...but well their all morons and I think this is an idea best brought to a person who shares our passions for recreation.
I know there is a road bike outfit that has classes on accident scene management (can't think of the name but I almost took the beginner 8 hour class and they have an advanced 8 hour as well). Perhaps something like that could be easily adapted?
I am on the lookout for a Dr who would fit the bill at my work...but well their all morons and I think this is an idea best brought to a person who shares our passions for recreation.
Good post Veedy, these classes are very easy to get in on, everyone should take them on occasion if possible. All it takes is one time to make a differance in how a bad situation may turn out.
Myself and alot of the people that work for the same company get a 4 hr. !st Aid training class every 2 yrs.,is a good deal, we even get paid to be there.
Myself and alot of the people that work for the same company get a 4 hr. !st Aid training class every 2 yrs.,is a good deal, we even get paid to be there.
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Veedy
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If someone was smart, they would organize a team of folks with the knowledge to offer a class that offered basic survival, first aid, avalanche safety, etc, etc. Maybe spread it out among three weekends. I'm sure there would be a lot of interest.
It's getting to the point now where we as back country recreationalists are going to require some type of certificate to step " out of bounds ". Whether you are on touring skiis or a snowmobile, motorcycle, ATV, or hiking, I believe eventually people will require proof that they have some sort of training knowledge to go up a mountain. Far too many inexperienced people are getting lost or killed, and require S&R to risk their butts to get them out. It's a daily occurance around here.
As for basic first aid, I think everyone should have some level of knowledge of it. It should start in school. Kids should learn basic first aid from a young age, and carry it through to their elder years.
It's getting to the point now where we as back country recreationalists are going to require some type of certificate to step " out of bounds ". Whether you are on touring skiis or a snowmobile, motorcycle, ATV, or hiking, I believe eventually people will require proof that they have some sort of training knowledge to go up a mountain. Far too many inexperienced people are getting lost or killed, and require S&R to risk their butts to get them out. It's a daily occurance around here.
As for basic first aid, I think everyone should have some level of knowledge of it. It should start in school. Kids should learn basic first aid from a young age, and carry it through to their elder years.
Everyone should know how to properly do CPR, with that said success rates are still extremely low. I am talking probably 20% maybe a little more depending on the age and history.
Chest compressions are great and the very minimul that should be done. Rescue breathing should be done if you know the person and are comfortable exchanging bodily fluid. IF I don't know the person, I WON'T be doing breathing. You can catch a disease ffrom rescue breathing during CPR. I promise you the person WILL throwup. I've unfortunately had to do CPR twice. Both peole did not make it but one had an ongoing heart condition and another was found far too late but CPR was administered for the family's sake. It is not a fun thing. You will hear ribs breaking, it is a violent act. I am only saying this so if you ever do have to perform this act you will know. I don't think they do enough to tell people how violent this process really is. If a person survives they will be extremely sore from this. Lots of pain.
but... with that said. The alternative is death, so this is really their ONLY chance of survival. An AED greatly improves the chances of survival, if this happens in a remote area, chances of survival are extremely low.
For those looking to learn this the link is great, but you can usually stop by a hospital or ambulance shop and ask questions. They can generally either show you or point you towards and instructor/class.
Chest compressions are great and the very minimul that should be done. Rescue breathing should be done if you know the person and are comfortable exchanging bodily fluid. IF I don't know the person, I WON'T be doing breathing. You can catch a disease ffrom rescue breathing during CPR. I promise you the person WILL throwup. I've unfortunately had to do CPR twice. Both peole did not make it but one had an ongoing heart condition and another was found far too late but CPR was administered for the family's sake. It is not a fun thing. You will hear ribs breaking, it is a violent act. I am only saying this so if you ever do have to perform this act you will know. I don't think they do enough to tell people how violent this process really is. If a person survives they will be extremely sore from this. Lots of pain.
but... with that said. The alternative is death, so this is really their ONLY chance of survival. An AED greatly improves the chances of survival, if this happens in a remote area, chances of survival are extremely low.
For those looking to learn this the link is great, but you can usually stop by a hospital or ambulance shop and ask questions. They can generally either show you or point you towards and instructor/class.
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