Keep the sway bar or ditch the sway bar on the pro?

[B00nd0ck3r4lif]

The sled handles fine with the sway bars in, actually it handles amazingly. Personally I felt there was no point in removing the sway bars, if this sled leaned over any easier it would be friggin dangerous!

Here is my question. In the amount of time it took to actually ask this question couldn't you have already removed them and just tried it for yourself?

 

[F-Bomb]

Tim didn't I ride around with you a little at the Terraces in Afton? I'm almost certain we have some video. Did you notice me having any trouble handling with the sway bar in on my PRO? This advice costs you one package of that incredible DELK. LEAVE IT IN...buy the fox shock kit...enjoy


I will expect payment at next years ride~!

 

[FatDogX]

I think Polaris in a sense answered this question with the removal of the sway-bar on the Assaults. Assaults have basically stiffer shocks with no sway-bar and the RMK's have a sway-bar with a softer shock setup. From what I've heard and observed, like many others both sleds are side hilling machines!

Both setups perform extremely well and really comes down to personal preference, riding style and what feels good. Basically what Mountainhorse said.

 

[elvis1280]

no don't be a sheep and follow the heard i'm into working on my own technique and what works for me instead of trying to copy someone elses. i guess you have to get to a certain level to realize this heck if those guys said to put peanut butter on your track to get farther up the hill half the yahoos out there with thier klim gear and 10k worth of mods, who still can't ride half a day off trail without almost killing thier lazy out of shape a$$e$, would be buying soo much there'd be a national shortage!!! i'm more into trying what works for me. they are great riders, i'm no slouch. not saying i'm in thier league, just a guy who has ridden all his life. i know what i like and what fits my style. don't need anyone telling me what will work for me or how i should set up my sled. I know they say no mt. bar or lefty, wouldn't leave home without mine!!! next they'll be telling you to take off your brake lever because its only slowing you down IMO, no gay bar...

warning: other opinions may vary, but i don't care

Sorry to disagree with you M8 (NOT ON REMOVING THE SWAY BAR), that is just preference. But i disagree on the NOT copying BURANDT. If you have noticed Dan Adams in videos lately? He is doing the hop over? wher do you think he got that from.

Dan has been riding as long as anyone probably and He is one of the best for sure! He still came here to CO and rode with Burandt for 2 weeks so he could learn how Burandt rides the way he does. Dan will be the first to admit who taught him some of his new moves he teaches in his clinics.

Second, Burandt will never admit he is the best in the World! But he is! I am no slouch (like you) and before I rode with him I was sure I was ready! I had seen all his videos and knew i could do those things. I had only been impressed by 2 riders and was ready. Not ready enough. lol. Out of the countless videos I have of BURANDT, they dont really show the crap he actually does! You have to see it to believe it.

My point, just as TIGER WOODS copied parts of the golf swing from the greats before him! I copy the things Chris Burandt or Brett Rasmussen does. They are the Best and nothing you have done with your style, they havent tried. And the way they do it, is the right way. NEVER USE THE MOUNTAIN BAR & THROW YOUR LEFT HAND THROTTLE IN THE TRASH. PERIOD. If you want to become better, like most of us without an ego do! We will change the things we do wrong because Burandt tells us we should. Burandt has his sway bar and evol x's. Did he try it without the sway bars? YES. Did he keep it that way? NO.

I am not gonna have Jim Furyk teach my son the Golf Swing, or try to copy it. I will have TIGER teach him, even if it involves him sleeping with my Wife.

Burandt

 

[deepdiver]

Tim didn't I ride around with you a little at the Terraces in Afton? I'm almost certain we have some video. Did you notice me having any trouble handling with the sway bar in on my PRO? This advice costs you one package of that incredible DELK. LEAVE IT IN...buy the fox shock kit...enjoy


I will expect payment at next years ride~!

Yes but Rob....you could ride an old yamaha with Pogo front suspension and still make it look easy.

 

[F-Bomb]

Nope and now I've spent the last three years on the best handling mtn sled money can build and buy which has completely ruined my skill set. Cheating! Old age and extreme wear and tear is kind of creeping up on me lately! OUCH

Extreme mtn sledding is hugely technique not unlike almost any athletic endeavor! What Burandt has is incredible technique mixed with amazing cat like athletic ability/balance not to mention the guy is absolutely physically fit. He gets to refine, practice, and experience over 150 days per season and he is on the finest equipment money can buy. That all piles up to make you numero uno and he flat out IS. (Chris Burandt, Shane Kelley, John Heston, Phil Yibar, DR from the 7 Devils Lodge, and myself litterly had a round table discussion on this topic on TUES) This was almost a direct quote from Burandt...sans the numero uno comment. I installed that after seeing the goods with my own two eyes. Since I've ridden with about 2000 misc people over the years many of whom are as famous as you get in this biz that is my current conclussion. WOW


I think when you guys get to playing with these PRO sleds and personalize the setups you will find out that the overall performance of having your suspensions all tied together is far superior in all around performance to having a sled that rolls up easier. A lot of very minor things really change the feel and response of this sled. Ski stance...handle bar height and position...shock pressures...spring pressures...your foot position..ect ect. If you struggle to sidehill either side, have to take your hand off the grips in any condition, and at all speeds from almost a dead stop to ripping you have a technique deficiency to work out. Get schooled 1 and 2 and then practice those techniques over and over until you are natural, confident, and automatic in a controlled and safe area. Then take it to the SCARY and experience the difference in your riding control and the effort it takes to make these moves. That all is just the basic start of things and builds the proper foundation.

 

[elvis1280]

Get schooled 1 and 2 and then practice those techniques over and over until you are natural, confident, and automatic in a controlled and safe area. Then take it to the SCARY and experience the difference in your riding control and the effort it takes to make these moves. That all is just the basic start of things and builds the proper foundation.

Perfectly said.

 

[TIM]

there is some funny **** in this thread.

I do need to say, just becasue someone is asking a sled set up question, does not mean they don't know how to sidehill or pull moves. It just means they are asking a question on a sled.

 

[Snodawg]

I tried mine (2011 Pro 155) with and without last year, and definitely like it better with. Without it, even with the springs cranked up, the front would want to dive over to the downhill side or into a tree well, especially at slower speeds.
This year, I have sent my shocks to FTXMOTORSPORTS for a revalve. One of the things they do is actually lower the ride height, to help alleviate the tippy feeling of the PRO. This gives it a more balanced feel instead of being flat or on its side. Hoping this works out. Reports have it that, that it is a major improvement. We'll see when the snow flies.

 

[Norway]

I tried mine (2011 Pro 155) with and without last year, and definitely like it better with. Without it, even with the springs cranked up, the front would want to dive over to the downhill side or into a tree well, especially at slower speeds.
This year, I have sent my shocks to FTXMOTORSPORTS for a revalve. One of the things they do is actually lower the ride height, to help alleviate the tippy feeling of the PRO. This gives it a more balanced feel instead of being flat or on its side. Hoping this works out. Reports have it that, that it is a major improvement. We'll see when the snow flies.

X 2 on all.

Removed swaybar in May, would turn uphill again easier and I could copy my bro-in-law's mooves on his M. But dive, oh yes!

I know I need to ride more, but still believe this front shock mod has merit.

Rune

 

[Dootimes2]

I ahve always been a remove the sway bar type of guy and i did that on a iq and that wasn't the best move.

I am coming off of a cat with out the sway bar and am wondering if i should remove the sway bar on the pro? personally i am thinking take the sway bar out and stiffen up the front shocks.

thanks
tim

Remember this. This is snowest and everybody on here has there own opinion. It takes nothing to try it both ways yourself and make up your own mind. And to all those who think that if because Burandt and the others do it it must be the thing to do, take off your blinders. If we had the same deep pockets and sponcers they do we could look like heros too. It's amazing how money and or free parts can make you try and pull off things you would never normally try and when successful make people think you are the cats ***.The thing is all you see is them looking like gods. How much editing of the stucks and break downs and hitting crap do you not see ( for good reason ). Don't get me wrong they are awsome riders, so are alot of others on here. Do what is right for you and the rest means little.

 

[traveler]

I left mine in, but in hard or set up snow, I found the sled more difficult to handle, so I removed the sway bar and loved the ease I could handle the sled. Now that I have more experience on the sled, I'm finding it a bit too easy to lay over and I'm putting the sway bar back on. Easy to do, so try it both ways. It is easier to lay over without the sway bar.

Have to agree w/ this statement.
Nothing better in the pow, but in set up spring snow the M8 does a better job specially w/ downhill to uphill sidehill transition.
Haven't had the chance to disconnect the sway bar and thinking of a quick disconnect.
Never find the perfect setup for all snow conditions, some adjustments have to be made.

 

[Clarke673]

Please tell me that most of you aren't running left hand throttles anymore.. please? I HATE them with a passion. Imo the rmk i road last didn't have a sway bar and i hated it.

 

[Oregonsledder]

Please tell me that most of you aren't running left hand throttles anymore.. please? I HATE them with a passion. Imo the rmk i road last didn't have a sway bar and i hated it.

Don't be such a hater....

 

[Dmill]

although there is a common misconception about the pro's (burandt) that they dont wreck and are perfect riders in every way shape or form... they are still human.. just because the videos show amazing moves doesnt mean they are perfect. granted they are better riders than most, but use what works for you.

personally i ran it in for a half a year, hit a tree bent my a arm and broke the link on it.. its been out since then and i agree on the trail it sucks.. but i personally like the sinking feeling.. i can throw the sled 180 degrees almost going downhill... play with your own settings.. set it up the way you like... other wise you can go get yourselfs some slednecks gear, a monster helmet and some monster stickers.. leave your swaybar in and try to copy the riding style of others...

do what works for you man!

 

[B00nd0ck3r4lif]

Leave the sway bar in. Unless you have shocks set up to run without swaybar (as others have said) you are just bottoming out your shock when you turn and allowing you to roll the sled over easier, so what happens when you hit something under the snow and you have no suspension travel in your shock left? You go over the handlebars and possibly break stuff on your machine.

Thats like weighing 300lbs and getting your sled setup for a 140lb guy, but hey if thats what you like then go for it!

 

[Tedd]

I left mine in, but in hard or set up snow, I found the sled more difficult to handle, so I removed the sway bar and loved the ease I could handle the sled. Now that I have more experience on the sled, I'm finding it a bit too easy to lay over and I'm putting the sway bar back on. Easy to do, so try it both ways. It is easier to lay over without the sway bar.

Have to agree w/ this statement.
Nothing better in the pow, but in set up spring snow the M8 does a better job specially w/ downhill to uphill sidehill transition.
Haven't had the chance to disconnect the sway bar and thinking of a quick disconnect.
Never find the perfect setup for all snow conditions, some adjustments have to be made.

although there is a common misconception about the pro's (burandt) that they dont wreck and are perfect riders in every way shape or form... they are still human.. just because the videos show amazing moves doesnt mean they are perfect. granted they are better riders than most, but use what works for you.

personally i ran it in for a half a year, hit a tree bent my a arm and broke the link on it.. its been out since then and i agree on the trail it sucks.. but i personally like the sinking feeling.. i can throw the sled 180 degrees almost going downhill... play with your own settings.. set it up the way you like... other wise you can go get yourselfs some slednecks gear, a monster helmet and some monster stickers.. leave your swaybar in and try to copy the riding style of others...

do what works for you man!

SO, what about having the best of both worlds in roughly 10 minutes of install time in your garage with no cutting and no modification to your original sway bar?
I have come up with a sway bar quick disconnect kit that fits all '09 and '10 Dragons as well as the Pro chassis sleds. This kit allows you to run the sway bar on the trail in and out, but disconnect the sway bar in the backcountry in roughly 10 seconds. I ran with this kit on my '09 Dragon all year last year for testing purposes and loved it.
These kits will be available at all of the Northwest snow shows this season EXCLUSIVELY at the 2Cool AirVents booth as well as through me, my Facebook page (Tedd Unlimited), and soon my website. I am currently in the patent and copyright process and am finally ready to release this kit to everyone. They are manufactured right here in the USA, not in China or Taiwan.

This picture shows the sway bar connected:

This picture shows the sway bar disconnected:

If interested contact me either by PM, through my Facebook page, or by email at teddunlimited@centurytel.net

 

[modsledr]

Tedd, looks like a great idea and a great product.

 

[550iq]

Tedd,
Nice way to slam the door on this never ending dilemma. Nice job, we'll be in touch.

 

[KAWGRN]

Will you be at puallup?