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just curious, this guys sleds?

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Does this guy ride a sled? Has he got ANY clue why we do what we do?

SW mag generally isn't something I rave about, but I've never seen anything so clueless with their name on it before.

I'm sure a few seat sitting meadow mashers probably agree with him, but does anyone who actually RIDES a sled feel like this is anything but drivel?
 
that sounds more like liberal anti-fun type writing then a rider.

its freestyle. its not about saftey. its about pushing the limits of what one can due with a limited amount of time in the air, the more you try to do, the less likely you are to come down safely. so the competition is inherently dangerous. going bigger, higher, and faster, in the quest for a bigger score just creates a higher risk. its part of the game and you know that if you want to be involved. great risk great reward, if they wanted a job with no risk im sure they wouldnt be out doing best trick on sleds.
 
"So I guess the question is: Who is to blame?"

blame for what? It was a tragic, tragic accident. This country needs less people thinking like this and take personal accountability.

THIS.


That one line disgusted me more than anything else in that stack of BS.

That right there seems like a perfect example of why guys like that should stay in their cubicles & not come out.

People have choices. Caleb chose to hit that hit, he chose what trick he wanted to do on it. It doesn't make it suck any less, but expecting that someone else is to blame for the choices we all make is a huge problem imo.
 
Didn't he get some flack for leaving peopl behind or something like that years ago?

Yes he did.



As for his blog is he really that far off???? I mean nobody wants to see anybody hurt or killed for that matter. I dont think he is on with his ideas leaning towards "do we really need this" Or especially the "whos to blame".

No one is to blame! We take risks knowing the rewards and have the ability to take the risk. I would think Steve is just trying to point out some safety concerns may need be taken.
 
Yes he did.



As for his blog is he really that far off???? I mean nobody wants to see anybody hurt or killed for that matter. I dont think he is on with his ideas leaning towards "do we really need this" Or especially the "whos to blame".

No one is to blame! We take risks knowing the rewards and have the ability to take the risk. I would think Steve is just trying to point out some safety concerns may need be taken.

Hell I took a risk crossing the street. You know what I made it. You make some and you miss some just depends one the day!!!:juggle:
 
What a joke! Maybe we should get full body armor before we get on our sleds every day to make sure that nothing goes amiss! Its a dangerous sport, I think that danger is a part of the reason we all ride!
 
I think he is right about the media culture of ratings with little regard for human capital. I also think agree with the point that someone here made about personal responsibility. Unfortunately the competitive environment doesn't serve both, it was a very sad and tragic accident, although it appeared that it was his sled that inflicted the fatal blow and not the jump itself. They use artificial lighting for safety, removes the sun/shade effect and provides consistency, that has been one of the driving principles with snowboard halfpipe competition. I wish the industry would get more behind backcountry riding as I feel that it represents the best part of our sport. Very sad to see that happen.
 
Yes he did.



As for his blog is he really that far off???? I mean nobody wants to see anybody hurt or killed for that matter.

IMO, yes he is.

We all choose the risks we take. When someone takes a risk, not knowing the potential consequences, then it concerns me a bit, but Caleb had been injured heavily before, he knew the risks he took... for god sake look at the amount of concussions he had, he knew the game, and he kept playing.

I used to push HARD at kayaking, but after seeing a few friends die, and others come VERY close, I decided to back off. I don't look at the guys running 5+ now & say they're stupid, or that someone is responsible for MAKING them push. When I knew my wife was pregnant I promised I'd stop the really nasty stuff, but till then it was my call & I continued to keep making it.

There's no media & no money to speak of in that sport, so IMO it's a great example of something where we risk our lives in a VERY dangerous sport (FAR more dangerous than sledding will ever be) & it's all us... no outside forces... and tons of guys keep doing it. I've lost more friends in that sport than everything else I've ever done in my life (climbing, fighting, snowboarding, downhill biking, sledding, kiteboarding...) and none of them took the risks because someone made them, none of them did it for money, none of them did it for fame... we do it because it's what keeps us alive.
 
340 people die each year in bathtub accidents. Are we going to have to stop this dangerous activity? American society has turned everyone into a bunch of safety nazis. Life is dangerous. You can either live it up and have fun, or go hide in the house cause you might die if you go outside.
 
Life is a risk

There are fatal accidents in every sport. What happened to Caleb Moore is a very, very tragic accident but it was HIS choice to compete and he did it very well. How many jumps did he miss in his lifetime? I'm sure it was a hell of a lot. This one just went wrong, period. Accidents happen every day. Don't try to seek blame where there isn't any.

Some people are perfectly ok with staying on the sidewalk and some feel the need to push it to the limits. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to push the limits. If there was, we'd all be riding 30 HP trail sleds.
 
I think he is right about the media culture of ratings with little regard for human capital. I also think agree with the point that someone here made about personal responsibility. Unfortunately the competitive environment doesn't serve both, it was a very sad and tragic accident, although it appeared that it was his sled that inflicted the fatal blow and not the jump itself. They use artificial lighting for safety, removes the sun/shade effect and provides consistency, that has been one of the driving principles with snowboard halfpipe competition. I wish the industry would get more behind backcountry riding as I feel that it represents the best part of our sport. Very sad to see that happen.

Jorli 100% nails it here. Tragic event, but they knew what they were getting into when they signed up for it. My condolences go to the family of Caleb.

...BUT I will say this. I think the author of the BLOG does have a point, it was just written and construed a little funky. The event IS designed around marketing and funding. And it DOES create and platform for people to do things they normally wouldn't try or have the courage to do, big lights and sponsorships do this. I don't think the jumps are built with any sort of negligence but I do think the event is run with negligence. There should be NO event that doesn't require some sort of engine management kill switch. I feel just as bad for the young gentleman who got his leg crushed by Jacko's sled, as I do for the Moore family. Both Tragic events. That shows the negligence in it's entirety right there. What sport has no protection for spectators? And the excuse that they can't do tricks with tethers is ridiculous. There are options out there. Look at freestyle monster trucks or anything else that involves a motorized vehicle that can take off on its own. They all have safety precautions, and motor shutoff requirements. Not a thin mesh fence... They are not required to wear tethers because they would not be able to perform certain tricks, thats why in that event it is not required, to let them be able to go all out and create the biggest audience for ESPN. So rather than mandate some sort of alternative to a tether, they let it ride and hope for the best. Negligence.

The other issue I do not like, and see becoming more and more relevant in XGames, is kids who just have courage and skill, but not a love for the sport. And this goes beyond just our sport. You should not be allowed to galavant around and just decide to try a sport to get some notoriety, or an X Games gold medal, or TV credentials for the hell of it. This means riding a sled for a month before X, then competing, then dropping it until the following year. If you don't ride and do the sport as a profession, or semi profession you should not be allowed to compete in that event. IMHO.

This is a quote I found, shows exactly why athletes are getting injured in our sport. Because they don't understand the sport in entirety, they do it for the fame. Strong said in an interview on his sponsor's website that he got the idea to take "The Jack" from motocross to snocross when "I was drinking one night and thought of this awesome idea. ... I also just really wanted to go to Aspen. Did a few mental practice runs in my mind, said it's possible and went for it." -

Awesome. Well planned. Like I said, condolences to the Moore family and friends, this truly is a humbling happening in our industry. But we need look at some of the actions that are being taken in our sport, both on the personal level and on a bigger scale.
 
Shane, while I agree about the tether issue, where the spectators are at risk, and they don't realize it, and it's a preventable thing... THAT I agree the was negligent... To expect an entity/ event like X games to be about anything other than self promotion & ratings/ dollars though, is wishful thinking. That's why they exist.

They don't care about ANY of our sports, or they wouldn't put the mentally challenged MTV type announcers in there... That's not their purpose.

They provide a platform, one that allows the best to compete, and one that allows the couch sitters of the world to watch.

I agree as well about the crossover types... IMO the idea that someone can just "give it a try" during x games seems asinine to me.
 
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I think he is right about the media culture of ratings with little regard for human capital. I also think agree with the point that someone here made about personal responsibility. Unfortunately the competitive environment doesn't serve both, it was a very sad and tragic accident, although it appeared that it was his sled that inflicted the fatal blow and not the jump itself. They use artificial lighting for safety, removes the sun/shade effect and provides consistency, that has been one of the driving principles with snowboard halfpipe competition. I wish the industry would get more behind backcountry riding as I feel that it represents the best part of our sport. Very sad to see that happen.

Shane, while I agree about the tether issue, where the spectators are at risk, and they don't realize it, and it's a preventable thing... THAT I agree the was negligent... To expect an entity/ event like X games to be about anything other than self promotion & ratings/ dollars is wishful thinking. That's why they exist.

They don't care about ANY of our sports, or they wouldn't put the mentally challenged MTV type announcers in there... That's not their purpose.

They provide a platform, one that allows the best to compete, and one that allows the couch sitters of the world to watch.

I agree as well about the crossover types... IMO the idea that someone can just "give it a try" during x games seems asinine to me.

Agreed, the event does exist for those reasons, and yes it is wishful thinking but I think that "they" whoever that may be haha are the ones that conditioned us to expect what we expect in the sport. I dont think anybody at any one time said that we had to start flipping and doing flip tricks to keep the sport alive. Cory Davis' whips are just as entertaining to me as the flips...Maybe I am wrong. But I know there are others out there that are more than qualified to partake in Xgames freestyle, and dont because of one reason or another, mostly reasons involving how it is ran.
 




Agreed, the event does exist for those reasons, and yes it is wishful thinking but I think that "they" whoever that may be haha are the ones that conditioned us to expect what we expect in the sport. I dont think anybody at any one time said that we had to start flipping and doing flip tricks to keep the sport alive. Cory Davis' whips are just as entertaining to me as the flips...Maybe I am wrong. But I know there are others out there that are more than qualified to partake in Xgames freestyle, and dont because of one reason or another, mostly reasons involving how it is ran.

Not to give you too much SH**... but you know that guys were flipping sleds WAY before they were in the X games, right? If we're looking to demonize someone for our expectations & pushing this sport, I suppose it would be Slednecks.

I'm no fan of the tools that put that SH**show on, I've been there twice & never will again, but I don't have any illusions about WHO is pushing them/ us to ride harder, it's US. It's the desire to whoop your buddies, it's the same game that got played all weekend long, every time guys go ride together.

On sat my group & I went out, found the first untracked landings & put bombholes as far down the hill as we could... nobody MADE us do that, we just push each other... that's the nature of what we do.
 
Not to give you too much SH**... but you know that guys were flipping sleds WAY before they were in the X games, right? If we're looking to demonize someone for our expectations & pushing this sport, I suppose it would be Slednecks.

I'm no fan of the tools that put that SH**show on, I've been there twice & never will again, but I don't have any illusions about WHO is pushing them/ us to ride harder, it's US. It's the desire to whoop your buddies, it's the same game that got played all weekend long, every time guys go ride together.

On sat my group & I went out, found the first untracked landings & put bombholes as far down the hill as we could... nobody MADE us do that, we just push each other... that's the nature of what we do.

The difference to me is just that though. We love to do what we do, there is no reason to do it other than because we choose to push ourselves. Slednecks is just the same, all people who enjoy riding and doing what they do. Not guys going out for notoriety to try something just cuz it will be on TV and viewed by thousands...
 
The difference to me is just that though. We love to do what we do, there is no reason to do it other than because we choose to push ourselves. Slednecks is just the same, all people who enjoy riding and doing what they do. Not guys going out for notoriety to try something just cuz it will be on TV and viewed by thousands...

If you feel that what someone does because Jason or Phil, or Jaya or whoever is filming them, is different than what they'd do because the camera of ESPN is on them, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't feel it is. I feel people step up when there's a camera, or an audience, but I don't think that changes depending on WHICH camera.

Hell... I've seen more guys get hurt just trying to do something because my wife did it than because of a camera... the whole "well, Abby did it... I'm sure I can" thing has caused some pretty stupid injuries in guys who have ridden with us. People push beyond their limits for all sorts of reasons, but I have yet to see anyone forcing them to. This isn't the hunger games... it's sledding. We're big boys, we make our own choices.
 
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