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Judge Emmet Sullivan at it again.....

And here we go again................:mad:

Park snowmobiling up in the air

published on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:12 PM MDT



By DANIEL PERSON Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday’s decision by a federal judge to throw out a winter-use plan for Yellowstone National Park divided locals down old fault lines, but one piece of common ground is the uncertainty about how the decision will shape the look of the park this winter and beyond.


CHRONICLE FILE PHOTO A bison cuts through a line of snowmobile and snowcoach traffic in Yellowstone National Park in this file photo. U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan Monday threw out the National Park Service’s winter-use plan, ruling that allowing 540 snowmobiles in Yellowstone every day starting this winter would increase air and noise pollution and disturb wildlife beyond acceptable levels. He ordered the Park Service to redo the plan.

“The Park Service now has to come up with a plan that is in keeping with his decision,” said Amy McNamara, Greater Yellowstone Coalition’s national parks program director. “What that will look like, we don’t know yet.”

But she knows what she would like to see, she said.

“Over the last five years, we’ve had an average of 250 snowmobiles. It would be appropriate to continue that level this year, but begin to phase down,” she said.

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Kerry White, a board member with Citizens for Balanced Use, had a different take on the ruling, which he said violated the spirit of the national park system and “removed all the certainty for winter use in the park this season by throwing out the plan that was 10 years in the making.”

“We think that 540 snowmobiles a day was a real good effort by the Park Service to uphold the mission of the park, which is there for the enjoyment of the people, and we supported that plan,” he said.

Asked whether the decision could be a foreshadowing of the end of snowmobiles in the park, he said no.

“I see it as: The fight continues,” he said.

Yellowstone officials, meanwhile, are trying to anticipate their next steps. This year’s winter season starts Dec. 15.

“It will take some time to analyze the opinion, to review options and to formulate a strategy,” park spokesman Al Nash said. “It is too early to speculate what this winter might look like.”

Park officials’ ability to digest Sullivan’s ruling was slowed by the fact that many of its employees who worked on the winter-use plan were in Wyoming for **** arguments before U.S. District Judge Clarence Brimmer, who is hearing another lawsuit concerning the park’s winter-use plan.

All this uncertainty all over again as to the fate of snowmobiling in the park is bad for West Yellowstone business, the town’s mayor said Tuesday.

The judge’s decision “goes out to national media and we have to spend an immense amount of time to go out and say, ‘Yes, we will be open,” Drew Barney said. “It’s basically two judges making decisions and we sit in the middle. We’re the ones who get hurt.”

In Washington, D.C., U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., said the ruling was like “a referee choosing a winner after the game clock has expired” and had been issued by a judge who “probably doesn’t know the difference between a cow and a Kawasaki.”

“This is a slap in the face,” Rehberg said. “It hurts small businesses in Montana. It completely ignores public access, and it undermines a cornerstone of our way of life.”

And U.S. Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., said: “We have to do a better job at finding an effective balance between allowing snowmobile access and preserving the outdoor heritage of the park.”

Daniel Person can be reached at dperson@dailychronicle.com or 582-2665.
 
i gotta say - if the wildlife hates the sleds and noise soooo much - what are they still in the Park? Jeez - it's called a PARK. I love how a certiain group of people think they know what animals are thinking.
 
I just don't get why they are trying to limit the amount of sleds in park which pollute less than a car BUT they have no limits in the summer time. I get disgusted when I go in the park during the summer months...it's like major city traffic!!! But yeah lets concentrate on the winter use, 3/4 less people much more peaceful and on a guided snowmobile trip you learn way more then driving around in your car all day.

This mentality of nature before are well being has to F'in stop.
 
its also amazing how people are even allowed to go in during the summer, to even get into the park in the winter, it has to be a super quite clean sled. but in the summer i could go in a drive a diesel that chugs black smoke and just cruise around all day, but that doesnt disturb the animals. its so F*CKING STUPID!!
 
Winter prohibition is just the thin edge of the wedge. The ultimate goal of the green crowd is to eliminate ALL motor vehicles and force all park visitors into tour buses a la Denali N.P. and the San Diego Zoo.

BCB
 
I know my letter to Yellowstone generated a good laugh for the environazis.

I told them to utilize all the geothermo energy and make electricity so they could run an electric tram system through the park.

That way they could ban humans and monitor the park from a satellite so the park rangers stop disturbing nature.

This will alow the people monitoring disturbing the park to go find employment elsewhere.

In conclusion I recommended the excess funds generated from all the geothermal electricity production and money can be used to all the nearby towns who used to make money from those evil fossil burning machines making their way to the park.

Plus the excess money generated from geothermal will be used specifically in nearby towns for ceating all the same activities people enjoyed in Yellowstone.

Plus this will create an overflow of wildlife in Yellowstone thereby allowing more hunting around the border.

I think some attorney should file a lawsuit showing the polution levels of a snowmobile verses a automobile.
Then file litigation to only allow the same number autos to enter the park as snowmobiles. Plus litigate human access to the the park in a similar fashion.
 
WOW.
ok. Here goes.
You guys are completely missing the point.
It's not about the animals.
It's not about pollution.
It's not about access.
It's about control.
It's about getting the legal presidence (sp?) the enviro-zealots want.
As they get more and more of the little things they want it adds up to big things.
A lot of laws have been written based on court desisions surrounding yellowstone and other major battle grounds. The enviro-zealots have no desire to shut out summer time people (yet). They have to get their ducks in a row and take out the little guys (read, US) so they can get the legal standing to then shut down all access that THEY don't approve of.

For those that remember, when Clinton signed his decree that all sled access is to be shut down, the next week the enviro-zealots put up a law suit that would have shut out the snow coaches by shutting down all grooming in the park. THeir standing was that the animals were using the groomed roads to exit the park and be slaughtered by farmers and huntere. The interesting part is that the snow coach owners were on the side of the enviro-zealots to shut down sledding in the park. They wanted sole access and by doing so could completely control the access and the people's ability to get to the park. Imagine their suprise when they were stabbed in the back.
 
Ollie,
You hit it spot on, they could give a sh!t about anything other than CONTROL. And they have Sullivan right in there back pocket. I'm no lawyer but I just dont understand why a discrimination lawsuit has not been filed.
 
What?? Another federal judge abusing his power?? No it cant be true! Im sooo glad we have these control freaks in D.C. telling us how to live our lives. So the people of West Yellowstone should just move because they dont know what is best for themselves in their hometown??

“Over the last five years, we’ve had an average of 250 snowmobiles. It would be appropriate to continue that level this year, but begin to phase down,” said Amy McNamara, Greater Yellowstone Coalition’s national parks program director..
 
Living near West Yellowstone I am not surpised this is happening. The Enviros didn't get the winter use plan they wanted so they just stop it with the likes of Mr. Sullivan. I live close to the park and have never ridden in the park on a snowmobile. My snowmobile is not allowed because it will cause a Buffalo to abort its calf on the spot. Maybe they need to emmisions check that VW bus that is billowing black smoke out the tail pipe and the soot is almost covering their Keep it wild bumper sticker.
Next will be the trails outside of the park. It will be said the animals need a buffer zone so they can live in peace... Well minus the peace they get when the wolves come out to eat. My guess is that wolves would cause more stress than a snowmobile that they have grow up there whole lives with. I think we need to change the moto of the park From The benefit and enjoyment of the people to The benefit and enjoyment of people that meet Their credentials.

Makes me sick
 
Mess

i find the whole mess so utterly ridiulous. the first time i went into the park
was 1972 with a church youth group. those old 440 cats were belching it pretty good. but the animals didn't seem to mind. you'd stop and look at them and they would lok at you...and then you would go on. and now...now that we want to take our autistic son into the park on a snomo not a stupid
snobus so that we can enjoy some alone time with him these wackos say that it can't be done, peacefully. aren't these the same types whosay they believe in access for disabled anywhere, anytime? that's what really tees me off...just my .02
 
I rode thru the park in 2001 and again in 2002.
The buffalo walked right past you. You could have just reached out and slapped em on the azz (I wouldn't recommend it though).

They did a big impact study. The last one they did the enviro-zealots did they absolute best to bury. It stated in no uncertain terms that the whole yellowstone/animal problem was more political and point of view than fact. It also stated that cross country skiers did more harm to the animals than sleds. Simply because they animals could hear the sleds and were used to them being on the roads, where as skiers would pop out from behind a tree and scare the animals.
Didn't hear about that did ya?

This ruling by the enviro-judge will be tossed out prior to the start of the season, unfortenetly the damage would have been done. More people would cancel their trips and sleds won't get ordered, buisnesses will close up shop all on the fact they think yellowstone will be closed. If the enviros can't get their way with law, they will simply destroy the economy of the town and then use the fact there are no services in the area as another excuse to shut it down.
 
butch of POOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Jan. 2003 a group of us(15) rode thru the park and we at different time had to ride around the buffalo . they stood there looking at us like I am not scared of you. These people need to find something else to botch about.
GET A LIFE AND TO GET REAL EVIROOOOOOS.
 
.... The enviro-zealots have no desire to shut out summer time people (yet). They have to get their ducks in a row and take out the little guys (read, US) so they can get the legal standing to then shut down all access that THEY don't approve of....

You are right on. If you read Sullivan's decision it looks as though his interpratation has laid the groundwork for a year-round shut out.

As long as we as a nation continue to shop without conscience and vote without our minds the zealots' machine will continue to grow.
 
Once they establish a legal presidence in the park, they'll use it to force a sky tram be installed for all park users. And, they will use the presidence to force all National Parks, Monuments, and wildlife areas to implement the same rules. Anywhere there's an endangered animal, this will be used as a reason for shutout. Then, after a while, they will use it to shut down the National Forest.

People need to stand up and be heard.
 
Oh what a stupid ruling! I think it is time if this is going to happen this winter then the NPS should kick out all summer traffic. It really is amazing how I can ride my Harley in the park for the last 3 years (coming home from Sturgis) and the amount of traffic and NOISE from cars, buses, people and motorcycles. So all of this noise and "greenhouse gas" is ok in the summer. The park really has become a big joke! I really hope that the Park Service does not run a groomer on the roads as well. Let the "friends of yellowstone" work at it to get in the park. It is time to stop this garbage and let the Parks belong to the people.

Our family and friends are going to make sure and take our winter trip to West. That town needs snowmobilers now more then ever.
 
This sucks. The buses and the RVs make more noise then the 4 stroke sleds they allow in the park. Just another attack on the snowmobile way of life. :mad:
 
So since this post [yesterday at 11:03am] I have gotten 5 calls from groups out east that are wondering if they should cancel there trip this winter. They have booked with us and do not ride the backcountry. Their concern is they don't want to fork out the money and have no place to ride when they get here. They are adimit about riding the park, and they remember the closing of the park the night before it was suppose to open to winter traffice a few years back. So to make a long story short even if the park will be open this winter we are starting to feel Sullivans hate towards sleds already. And one of the groups from Pennsylvania said it is in most of the news papers. JUDGE E. SULLIVAN CLOSES YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK TO SNOWMOBILES.
 
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