Some of you guys go crazy on those carbides! I just take a dremel tool, ramp both ends and take the sharp edge off the top. Takes less than 5 minutes, makes them a lot less grabby and doesn't cut up the trailer runners.
Issues with Axys aluminum a-arms
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Holy cow, this is craziness! just get out and ride!!!!
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snowmobiler
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no snow.
I remember when I bought my first edge. Excited to go ride it and buying it used I wanted to go make sure it ran right. Took it out one night after work and went to wheely out of a small creek bottom in low snow. Caught the edge of the other bank and didn't even hardly feel the hit. thought it felt weird so I stopped and looked. I bent a trailing arm, bent a tie rod end, and cracked the tunnel. Chit happens. You ride in the early snow, you pay the price. It doesn't mean your a-arms on your axys are going to bend on the first ski-tug...
The ti runners from Alt Impact are crazy nice, really light, and not very expensive. Might even be less than buying carbides
A sleddder who just couldn't wait for enough snow, just has to get the first ride in, hits a rock and $500 in damages happen.
This thread has determined
1. We need to carry spare a-arms in our backpacks
2. As long as there is snow, there are no rocks therefore no damage should occur.
3. Glued metal sucks but in tests, the metal breaks not the glued joint.
4. Polaris designed the a arm to bend instead of the bulkhead.
5. Axys owners should order 8 sets of a arms because of a looming shortage of epidemic proportions and all sledding will cease immediately.
6. If one doesn't bend an a arm in 3 years and 5000 miles, then it stands to reason he never will and any damage is the someone else's fault.
This thread has determined
1. We need to carry spare a-arms in our backpacks
2. As long as there is snow, there are no rocks therefore no damage should occur.
3. Glued metal sucks but in tests, the metal breaks not the glued joint.
4. Polaris designed the a arm to bend instead of the bulkhead.
5. Axys owners should order 8 sets of a arms because of a looming shortage of epidemic proportions and all sledding will cease immediately.
6. If one doesn't bend an a arm in 3 years and 5000 miles, then it stands to reason he never will and any damage is the someone else's fault.
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snowmobiler
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hahahahah!!!
What about, If you dont break the weak stock A-arms you must not ride hard like me?
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jhurkot
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Axys aluminum a-arms
Kanedog, give me a break. I never said it wasn't my fault. I clearly hit something. I was going quite slow purposely trying to stay on the track. It was what I thought to be a light impact. Not something that would push my ski back 4 inches. The point is for early season riding you should have some spares available especially if you're travelling. Listen to that podcast where the engineer flat out laughs when the guy asks him if the new forged arms are stronger than the glued ones. They are definitely not. Sorry to get all the brand loyal Polaris tramp stamp die hards panties in a bunch.
Anyone remember on snowandmud in 2013 when someone said they broke their driveshaft loading their sled on the deck?
For what it's worth the new chassis and motor are amazing. Made my 2014 feel heavy and slow.
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Kanedog, give me a break. I never said it wasn't my fault. I clearly hit something. I was going quite slow purposely trying to stay on the track. It was what I thought to be a light impact. Not something that would push my ski back 4 inches. The point is for early season riding you should have some spares available especially if you're travelling. Listen to that podcast where the engineer flat out laughs when the guy asks him if the new forged arms are stronger than the glued ones. They are definitely not. Sorry to get all the brand loyal Polaris tramp stamp die hards panties in a bunch.
Anyone remember on snowandmud in 2013 when someone said they broke their driveshaft loading their sled on the deck?
For what it's worth the new chassis and motor are amazing. Made my 2014 feel heavy and slow.
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geo
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Don't take offence. As it was pointed out every early season there are warnings of "weak and underbuilt" parts.
With the 3 point contact of a sled it is possible to have the majority of the weight on one point (I hear the AXYS is tippy in low snow). That could be 700 lbs of force (you and the sled) locked it by a carbide into frozen dirt right in front of a little rock, multipled by speed and length of contact to bending point.
Possible to be over 1500 ftlb of instant torque which would be close to locking a 2 ft tube in a vise, sliding a 4' cheater tube on the end and having yourself and a buddy lean on it with a jerk.
Chances are if your were going quicker or leaning 5 degrees more the other way nothing would of happened except a great ride report about how much better the new model is over the old.
I see we are in the same area so if your serious about getting rid of the other three PM me a price. I expect to see the next threads soon. You know " I just rolled off and it nudged a tree" and it totalled the front end.
I may be able to make some money here.
With the 3 point contact of a sled it is possible to have the majority of the weight on one point (I hear the AXYS is tippy in low snow). That could be 700 lbs of force (you and the sled) locked it by a carbide into frozen dirt right in front of a little rock, multipled by speed and length of contact to bending point.
Possible to be over 1500 ftlb of instant torque which would be close to locking a 2 ft tube in a vise, sliding a 4' cheater tube on the end and having yourself and a buddy lean on it with a jerk.
Chances are if your were going quicker or leaning 5 degrees more the other way nothing would of happened except a great ride report about how much better the new model is over the old.
I see we are in the same area so if your serious about getting rid of the other three PM me a price. I expect to see the next threads soon. You know " I just rolled off and it nudged a tree" and it totalled the front end.
I may be able to make some money here.
No, I saw multiple glued joints pulled apart in person.
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I don't think it was posted here, but has anyone looked at how close together the arms are, and how long the spindle is below them? Massive amounts of force are being put on those arms through that long spindle and close arm mounting points. Much more than last years sleds.
Look guys. All we are saying is that the two of us on this thread bent these a arms on very light impacts. An impact that in my opinion no matter how hard you ride, or weather there's enough snow or not, etc... it's likely you'll bend them. On or off the trail. When I was explaining that I ride these things to the point of destruction it was just to illustrate that this wasn't that type of warranted damage. It was not to infer that others don't ride hard as well. What you do with the information that those of us provide that have actually bent them is up to you.
I for one planned on removing them anyway for a narrower front end. Unfortunately the new ones hadn't arrived before I damaged this one. Those that were happy with the pro width will be happy with the axys. Those that wanted a narrower stance on a pro will want one on these too. The sled feels a lot like the pro to me... just better.
I for one planned on removing them anyway for a narrower front end. Unfortunately the new ones hadn't arrived before I damaged this one. Those that were happy with the pro width will be happy with the axys. Those that wanted a narrower stance on a pro will want one on these too. The sled feels a lot like the pro to me... just better.
While I'm not on a Polaris, Alternative Impact makes a set of A arms for these sleds, and I would go that route if you're prone to breaking A-arms. It's one of the better mods I've done. There is a "sacrificial" rod end between the spindle and the lower arm. I snap several a season on my Doo, without bending the A arm or the bulkhead (S-module). I buy the cheapest rod ends I can (around $7 on Ebay), they don't usually last more than a month before I break one. I can change the rod end in 10-30 minutes on the mountain (depends if thread stub gets stuck in the arm or not) and continue on my ride. Anyway, just something to consider. Here's a link in case you've been hiding under a rock and not heard of Alternative Impact: http://www.alternativeimpact.com/polaris cro-moly a-arms.htm
I like the idea of no carbide too, I'll have to give that a shot & just run wear bars.
I like the idea of no carbide too, I'll have to give that a shot & just run wear bars.
Luckily the aftermarket has come to the rescue! Not only for those that have sharp carbides, ride hard, abuse their equipment, could break an anvil with silly putty and are irresponsible for riding this early but also those other guys. We have sold a boatload of Zbroz and have a bunch of the stock a-arms available for the guys who believe in the stock arms but just had bad luck!
I have stockers and Zbroz on hand so we can take care of everybody...No matter which group you fall in to.
I have stockers and Zbroz on hand so we can take care of everybody...No matter which group you fall in to.
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Slight bend in one of my lowers today, threw me off the sled.
Umm.....I was going to ditch the carbide and just run wear bars, mainly because I'm tired of tearing up the floor in the shop.
Grinding them down right now and will see how it goes.
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Grinding them down right now and will see how it goes.
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