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Is this gonna be our new President?

I would love to learn more about this theoretical point at which self reliance can become a problem.


If a person is capable, they should do for themselves what libs want to do for them. the problem starts when we cloud the issue of what people are capable of. People are capable of incredible things, I have seen it in my life and the lives of others around me. When taught to do things for yourself rather than rely on others, how can this do and individual harm?

government handout recipiants have no idea what a hard life is about with there cell phones, multiple vehicles, Big screens, houses.

good points, let me try to explain my point of view. Lets get 2 groups of people A and B. A is middle class and above while B is lower middle class and below. Lets assume that B is larger than A and is growing larger than A. (should be an easy assumption since it is similar to reality) Assuming free markets and whatnot, with the mantra of self reliance, I would think that the majority B would eventually get tired of hearing that they are poor because they don't work enough..... tired of blaming themselves for everything when they are constantly seeing others living better that seem no less deserving than they do. The majority now think that something should be done, given the democracy/republic in govt. affairs it is possible to do something about it and demand things.

So here is the breaking point. Things can be given to group B little by little through the political process. If nothing happens for group B what will then happen. I would assume that you anger a group (especially a majority) enough that the result would be riots/revolution and other forms of rebellion.

If you think that revolts won't happen, ask yourself this.. Who has more to loose, the guy with a house, business, cars, workers (Group A) or the guys flipping burgers (sorry all you burger flippers) (Group B).

So if group A doesn't give in, the result is chaos. The point at which chaos will happen is seen as being further away (more extreme differences in groups A and B) for republicans and closer (less differences in groups A and B) for democrats.

So did any of this make sense? It did in my mind, but I don't know now. How else can you justify the democratic point of view of more govt programs (ie. moving to more socialistic)? It can't be that they are in it (to be more socialistic) for personal gains can it? Seems difficult to make money by giving it to people. I guess it depends whose money they are giving away.

Keep it going. Good thoughts.
 
Baracks the man! Hillary would be scary. And MCain will get you nuked for sure. He wants WAR! If thats what your into, then vote for him.:beer;
 
So if group A doesn't give in, the result is chaos. The point at which chaos will happen is seen as being further away (more extreme differences in groups A and B) for republicans and closer (less differences in groups A and B) for democrats.

I can see this happening, as in creating chaos. The point at which those in your group A get tired of financing those in group B, and decide they don't want to play any more. Who then will pay to fund all these great programs?


So did any of this make sense? It did in my mind, but I don't know now. How else can you justify the democratic point of view of more govt programs (ie. moving to more socialistic)? It can't be that they are in it (to be more socialistic) for personal gains can it? Seems difficult to make money by giving it to people. I guess it depends whose money they are giving away.

Keep it going. Good thoughts.

Ding ding ding; I think we have a winner!:D

In all seriousness; ( I know, this is Snowest, and this is such a serious place. LOL) there was a thread on here not too long ago about the tax structure in this country and how those in group A feel sometimes. Searching the threads is not my best skill but anyhow, it used the analogy of 10 guys buying drinks and how they divide the cost among the group. And then what would happen if the bar decided to give a discount.

OK, I found the thread... This is exactly how I feel, and I don't think I'm alone
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65059
 
we are all going to hell in a handbag ....Obama is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad news ......take a look at my avy
 
To put it simple.

Democrats feel you are to inept to do anything without their direct help and oversight. YOu should work so they can take the money and do the "right" thing with it.
Dems feel that if you are successful you somehow got that way illigaly. You obviously stole the money from somewhere so they will take it back so they can give it to the people you stole it from.

Ken Climb. Boy am I glad your in canada.
Obama's idea of a good thing is increasing our taxes by 30% (above where they are now) so he can give huge amounts to the rest of the world. He feels it is our duty to suffer for our success. He's a moron, oh and he is all for bombing Iran and even suggested we should do it before they can do anything to us.
 
Depends on the issue, most of it though I lean up or down (complete opposite of either left or right).

I agree with the republican view point of self reliance, but I believe that there is a point were that statement does the individual more harm than good. I am not sure where that point is, but I know democrats view it as closer while republicans view it as further away.


Typical "liberal" crap, dance around every issue with useless rhetoric rather than show your actual unequivical beliefes on issues. Like the idiots who claim to be fiscal conservatives but liberal on social issues, a complete oxymoron. A conservative has no problem with their position, self reliance, extremrely limited government, free market economy, no gun control, active enforcement of criminal laws with quick decisive punishment, srong enforcement of immigration laws including enforcement against employers who hire illegal aliens, a strong desire for the federal government to do it's main job of defense of our country and citizens etc,etc,etc. I have no problem with my position, I will state it rather than hide behind meaningless liberal rhetoric. Swampy:D: :):beer;
 
If Hillary gets elected..........what a ride that will be! :eek:

McCain, i think is a dem in the dark!

hmm..............
 
I have no problem with my position, I will state it rather than hide behind meaningless liberal rhetoric.

wow, and I thought I was giving a simple rebuttal to a simple statement. I guess I should have typed a paragraph :rolleyes:

If you want ask me a specific question about my viewpoint on something and I will tell you. You might not like it though. Might be best to start a new thread or something......
 
wow, and I thought I was giving a simple rebuttal to a simple statement. I guess I should have typed a paragraph :rolleyes:

If you want ask me a specific question about my viewpoint on something and I will tell you. You might not like it though. Might be best to start a new thread or something......

Funny but all I see is rhetoric in your posts, why don't you just put forth your stand on the issue and let us decide if we agree, most of us have no problem with that, but maybe we are more sure of our facts. Swampy:D:beer;
 
Depends on the issue, most of it though I lean up or down (complete opposite of either left or right).

I agree with the republican view point of self reliance, but I believe that there is a point were that statement does the individual more harm than good. I am not sure where that point is, but I know democrats view it as closer while republicans view it as further away.


Typical "liberal" crap, dance around every issue with useless rhetoric rather than show your actual unequivical beliefes on issues. Like the idiots who claim to be fiscal conservatives but liberal on social issues, a complete oxymoron. A conservative has no problem with their position, self reliance, extremrely limited government, free market economy, no gun control, active enforcement of criminal laws with quick decisive punishment, srong enforcement of immigration laws including enforcement against employers who hire illegal aliens, a strong desire for the federal government to do it's main job of defense of our country and citizens etc,etc,etc. I have no problem with my position, I will state it rather than hide behind meaningless liberal rhetoric. Swampy:D: :):beer;

Good summary there Swampy. I agree with all you say except that the Republicans currently in office will never enforce immigration laws against employers who hire illegal aliens because most of these lawmakers are in the pockets of big business.:(
 
Good summary there Swampy. I agree with all you say except that the Republicans currently in office will never enforce immigration laws against employers who hire illegal aliens because most of these lawmakers are in the pockets of big business.:(

Right on SLDGY!!! Your not so bad for a hippy.:D:beer;
 
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