Is Riding An Avalanche Become The New Fashion ?

[Jaynelson]

X2 if riding in avalanche country isn't your cup of tea, stick to the meadows and trails, worry about some one you have never met before jumping the trail in front of you and you having a head on collision.... We will be up in the bowls tearing it up. If you can't deal with the fact that our sport is inherently dangerous then maybe you might want to stay home and watch csi, then you can die from a heart attack.... then you will just be part of a different statistic.

Thing is, it doesn't have to be that black and white. There are days when the big stuff is MUCH safer than others. Sure "anything" could still happen, but might as well try to have the odds on your side, no? Ain't much glory in your cool hillclimb video if yer too dead to watch it....

 

[J-Fly]

tired

im tired of people being safety police all the time. Worry about yourself. Im tired of these people that act like they know everything, and tell other people how to ride. Worry about yourself. Not everyone is a *****, and scared to die. If i die doing something i love, then i died happy. I ride alone sometimes because its better than sitting on the couch. I ride avalanche terrain, because i like steep runs. I used to ride with no beacon/shovel/probe because couldnt afford it. I have turned back, and not gone out when avalanche conditions were bad. I have also done runs where i have seens avalanches before, but thought the snow was safe. I have seen a whole avalanche class get caught in a slide.

If you think you know everything about slides, you know nothing. I want to ride as many winters as i can. I dont want to be in a slide, but i want to ride steep and deep.

 

[Uller]

Well let me help you with your snow knowledge.
A 200 pound guy on skis exerts more force in pounds per square inch than he does on a snowmobile.

The sled does weigh more but the snow feels less force.

I disagree with this statement. Yes, mathmatically there will be/could be more lb/sq in however, that isn't really how it all works. There are many other factors involved which make a snowmobile much more likely to trigger an avy than a skier. THE SNOW DOES NOT FEEL LESS FORCE FROM A SNOWMOBILE COMPARED TO A SKIER!

Additionally, I really don't understand what this has to do with the discussion started by OT or any other in this thread.

Me thinks that you need to go back to you avy course or book and read again.

 

[RGM]

I disagree with this statement. Yes, mathmatically there will be/could be more lb/sq in however, that isn't really how it all works. There are many other factors involved which make a snowmobile much more likely to trigger an avy than a skier. THE SNOW DOES NOT FEEL LESS FORCE FROM A SNOWMOBILE COMPARED TO A SKIER!

Additionally, I really don't understand what this has to do with the discussion started by OT or any other in this thread.

Me thinks that you need to go back to you avy course or book and read again.

With the new fat skis it is about the same when not in motion. When a sled has it skis in the air and only a couple of feet of track in the snow a sled has a far greater lbs/sq in

 

[cobbycat]

With the new fat skis it is about the same when not in motion. When a sled has it skis in the air and only a couple of feet of track in the snow a sled has a far greater lbs/sq in

I disagree with this statement. Yes, mathmatically there will be/could be more lb/sq in however, that isn't really how it all works. There are many other factors involved which make a snowmobile much more likely to trigger an avy than a skier. THE SNOW DOES NOT FEEL LESS FORCE FROM A SNOWMOBILE COMPARED TO A SKIER!

Additionally, I really don't understand what this has to do with the discussion started by OT or any other in this thread.

Me thinks that you need to go back to you avy course or book and read again.

Well let me help you with your snow knowledge.
A 200 pound guy on skis exerts more force in pounds per square inch than he does on a snowmobile.

The sled does weigh more but the snow feels less force.

when was the last time you saw a skier carve a 6' deep trench in the hill?!!

obviously the sled will dig through (and weaken) many more layers than a skier will cut. but skiers NEED a hill to ride, we sledders can be happy in a meadow in 4' of fluff.

so, an avy is caused by a person, not the sled or ski. so, I guess riding avalanches is a choice, and may be a trend for some sledders or skiers trying to get a rush. if they don't change their habbits, they will weed themselves out. it's just too bad that we will pay for their senseless and irresponsible deaths with the eventual end of mountain riding or heavy regulation of our beloved sport. it is up to us to regulate ourselves and keep our sport alive. ride safe, ride smart, stay alive!

 

[justadude]

Statistics!! HHAAAA!
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable.

Or,


Torture numbers, and they'll confess to anything.

Or,

Do not put your faith in what statistics say until you have carefully considered what they do not say.

or,

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

Statistics show that, believe it or not, the average person is involved in 9 avalanches before they are killed... some might get lucky and their number might be 20, while others fail the "final exam" on their first slide. I would rather not play that numbers game.... Like said earlier, better safe than sorry!

 

[justadude]

You are a numb skull!! A selfish one at that!! What about the people you leave behind?? Grow up and lose the punk azz tude, it just makes you look dumber than you probably are!!

im tired of people being safety police all the time. Worry about yourself. Im tired of these people that act like they know everything, and tell other people how to ride. Worry about yourself. Not everyone is a *****, and scared to die. If i die doing something i love, then i died happy. I ride alone sometimes because its better than sitting on the couch. I ride avalanche terrain, because i like steep runs. I used to ride with no beacon/shovel/probe because couldnt afford it. I have turned back, and not gone out when avalanche conditions were bad. I have also done runs where i have seens avalanches before, but thought the snow was safe. I have seen a whole avalanche class get caught in a slide.

If you think you know everything about slides, you know nothing. I want to ride as many winters as i can. I dont want to be in a slide, but i want to ride steep and deep.

 

[Sidehiller]

im tired of people being safety police all the time. Worry about yourself. Im tired of these people that act like they know everything, and tell other people how to ride. Worry about yourself. Not everyone is a *****, and scared to die. If i die doing something i love, then i died happy. I ride alone sometimes because its better than sitting on the couch. I ride avalanche terrain, because i like steep runs. I used to ride with no beacon/shovel/probe because couldnt afford it. I have turned back, and not gone out when avalanche conditions were bad. I have also done runs where i have seens avalanches before, but thought the snow was safe. I have seen a whole avalanche class get caught in a slide.

If you think you know everything about slides, you know nothing. I want to ride as many winters as i can. I dont want to be in a slide, but i want to ride steep and deep.

If you die doing something you love you will die happy? I promise you no matter what you are doing when you die, you aren't going to be happy about it!

 

[Sidehiller]

It sure does appear so.

What you don't understand is this: As long as you have your shovel in your backpack you will be safe no matter where you ride!

 

[knzee]

my 2 cents

What about the sled technology imporvements in the last 8 years??? We are buying, building, riding sleds that are pushing more horse power than most mini vans. Ten years ago we weren't getting into the snow we are today, unless it is April and rock hard and then it was usually set up not to slide. I don't think people are looking for avy conditions to ride in, I think we are just going where new sleds can take us. The main thing now is if you are buying or building a machine that will take you over the top, buy the safety equipment to protect you and help others to help you. If you are riding huge stuff without any safty gear, you are not only putting yourself at risk but everybody else in that area is now at risk. Whenever there is a slide and sled involved people are going to help no matter if they know them or not and that does AFFECT everyone. In the last two years in SW Montana the Avalanche Center has done an amazing job of posting warnings when conditions are bad and for what areas, every one you talk to that rides big chit seems to pay attention, so I would say, No people are not out looking for avy conditions to ride in.

Hatchers, that is some funny chit. "Who makes a good pipe for an 03' REV"?
Just skip the pipe and pull it behind an Arctic Cat, then it will go faster and up more stuff than it ever has. LOL

 

[cobbycat]

hey, whoever left me the unsigned "mountain riding is here to stay" red rep; I am a mountain snowmobiler who is completly obssesed with riding in the mountains of B.C. I have taken avy classes, have all of the gear, ride using my training for the conditions, dig pits and I have dug a lifeless corpse out of an avy. I don't want to do it again, ever, but I will if the need ever arises. my comments were directed at people that may be trying to ride avalanches for a rush, as people like me will be the ones digging out the unsuccessful. and the more people that die in avys, the closer our sport is to regulation or, worse, closures. I don't want this!! so to the spineless dickhead that left me the red rep for trying to preserve our sport; go fu@k yourself!

 

[justadude]

That was J-Fly!! He left me some too. spineless punk azz, so he failed to sign his rep!!! I'm sure he's nice kid in person!!

hey, whoever left me the unsigned "mountain riding is here to stay" red rep; I am a mountain snowmobiler who is completly obssesed with riding in the mountains of B.C. I have taken avy classes, have all of the gear, ride using my training for the conditions, dig pits and I have dug a lifeless corpse out of an avy. I don't want to do it again, ever, but I will if the need ever arises. my comments were directed at people that may be trying to ride avalanches for a rush, as people like me will be the ones digging out the unsuccessful. and the more people that die in avys, the closer our sport is to regulation or, worse, closures. I don't want this!! so to the spineless dickhead that left me the red rep for trying to preserve our sport; go fu@k yourself!

 

[Clarke673]

when was the last time you saw a skier carve a 6' deep trench in the hill?!!

obviously the sled will dig through (and weaken) many more layers than a skier will cut. but skiers NEED a hill to ride, we sledders can be happy in a meadow in 4' of fluff.

!

That's an opinion. Skiers don't NEED a hill, they can cross country ski as well.

 

[GrizTrack]

im tired of people being safety police all the time. Worry about yourself. Im tired of these people that act like they know everything, and tell other people how to ride. Worry about yourself. Not everyone is a *****, and scared to die. If i die doing something i love, then i died happy.

Well...while you are laying there under the snow thinking about how happy you are about dying, thank god for for letting you die that way...maybe even send a fews texts while you are at it to friends and loved ones stating hey...this is the best thing ever you should give it a try.

***Here's your sign***

 

[cobbycat]

im tired of people being safety police all the time. Worry about yourself. Im tired of these people that act like they know everything, and tell other people how to ride. Worry about yourself. Not everyone is a *****, and scared to die. If i die doing something i love, then i died happy. I ride alone sometimes because its better than sitting on the couch. I ride avalanche terrain, because i like steep runs. I used to ride with no beacon/shovel/probe because couldnt afford it. I have turned back, and not gone out when avalanche conditions were bad. I have also done runs where i have seens avalanches before, but thought the snow was safe. I have seen a whole avalanche class get caught in a slide.

If you think you know everything about slides, you know nothing. I want to ride as many winters as i can. I dont want to be in a slide, but i want to ride steep and deep.

obviously you are selfish and only think of one person......you. every other rider on the hill is affected by your decisions (if you are caught in a slide) and if you think otherwise you are sadly mistaken. give me all the red rep you want, that means very little to me, but if you get burried on the mountain I am on, I will do everything in my power to save your sorry a$$. the point that you are not getting through your thick skull is that your bad decision affects many people, including your friends, family, and all riders on the mountain. not to mention the slide could go a long way and take out other riders but you don't care because you only care about yourself. are you trying to put our sport in jeopardy? because attitudes like yours is exactly what they are preying on to try to close sledding areas. but you would probably just ride around the closure sign and get more areas shut down! the mountain snowmobile community doesn't need your type and neither does snowest. why don't you do us all a favour and sell your sled and your computer and take up knitting? bring on the red!!

 

[tudizzle]

whats the deal with all of the negative energy?

 

[Trashy]

whats the deal with all of the negative energy?

I dunno... some peeps seem to think you are a pu$$y if an avalanche scares you

I remember a shop teacher once saying that the day you lose your fear for the piece of equipment you are using will be the day you get dismembered. The same could be said for avys... they drive this into your head in every avalanche class and every book for good reason; the "human factor" is a huge reason for many of the mistakes made which end up involving people in slides. Hit me red all you want, if one person reads this and takes notice then from my point of view its all worth while.