I Join the ranks of the Diesel guys tomorrow~!

[skidooer1]

If you actually read my post, you'll see that I didn't leave the number out, I included the extra $6,100 that it takes to buy the diesel engine. When you take into consideration that you have to buy the engine, it takes about 100,000 miles to break even strictly on the $$.

Another point:
If only towing miles are considered, it would take even longer to break even. Example; my buddies new duramax vs my hemi, he gets 12 mpg, I get 9 mpg towing a 4 place enclosed. With this example there is only $1,640 difference in fuel costs over 100k so that same diesel would cost over $4,400 more to buy.

Now, there is no denying that a diesel is far nicer to drive when it comes to passing ability, and the ability to drive faster without as much lost fuel economy, but it is the initial investment that hinders alot of people from buying a diesel. Myself included, I refuse to buy an expensive truck that will literally be used for nothing but towing the sled trailer. In my case, with the few # of total miles being put on the truck, I would never reach the break even point to justify buying the diesel. If I didn't have so many other hobbies, or just liked being in alot of debt, maybe then I could justify buying a diesel, but it just costs far more than I'm willing to pay. I too, was in the car business for a long time and long ago recognized that newer vehicles are extremely expensive to own and operate. I'm much more content to own used cars that cost less to buy, maintain, operate, insure, and liscense, thus leaving more money for more toys and a comfortable living.

skibreeze. it costs 6100 for the diesel option But when you sell it, guess what it still has a diesel.lol and is worth 5000 more than any gas truck comparable.go to nada and see how much a diesel loses on the option. next to nothing

 

[skibreeze]

skibreeze. it costs 6100 for the diesel option But when you sell it, guess what it still has a diesel.lol and is worth 5000 more than any gas truck comparable.go to nada and see how much a diesel loses on the option. next to nothing

I never said that you don't get resale value when you sell it. Simply that it takes 100,000 miles to break even money wise. The fact is, you have to have the extra money out of pocket up front, which is more than alot of folks can or want to afford. That extra $6,100 over a 5 yr loan will cost most folks another $1,000 in interest as well.

Another issue with some diesels, I'll use Dodge as an example. They wear out balljoints and unit bearings much faster than the gas motors due to the extra engine weight. They are also notorious for lift and injection pump failures, which are extremely expensive repairs.

 

[J-Roc]

Holy thread hijack! NIIIICE rig Pat! You'll be happy with it i'm sure! I REALLY wish that interior came in the new 6.4s....

Oh, and for all you guys freaking about the diesel prices, come up to (ironically enough) oil country.... I paid $1.30 per LITRE for diesel on sunday. That's $5.14 per gallon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[skidooer1]

I never said that you don't get resale value when you sell it. Simply that it takes 100,000 miles to break even money wise. The fact is, you have to have the extra money out of pocket up front, which is more than alot of folks can or want to afford. That extra $6,100 over a 5 yr loan will cost most folks another $1,000 in interest as well.

Another issue with some diesels, I'll use Dodge as an example. They wear out balljoints and unit bearings much faster than the gas motors due to the extra engine weight. They are also notorious for lift and injection pump failures, which are extremely expensive repairs.

ski breeze, how does it take a 100,000 for the diesel to payoff. we showed you that you can be ahead in 20,000 miles yet you still don't comprehend that.YOU GET THE MONEY BACK FOR THE OPTION WHEN YOU SELL IT. how hard is that to put through your little head?

 

[RMK7SledHead]

This is going to kill ya. 07 Cummins 5.9 4spd auto HD2500avg mpg combined is seldom less than17-18mpg. (at avg 7000' altitude) I only have 6000 miles on it, not even broken in yet. Open road at 65 -70mph 21 mpg. 75-80 drops to 19 - 19.7

I knew what I was buying when I bought it...the transmission and exhaust brake alone are worth the mileage.

 

[skibreeze]

ski breeze, how does it take a 100,000 for the diesel to payoff. we showed you that you can be ahead in 20,000 miles yet you still don't comprehend that.YOU GET THE MONEY BACK FOR THE OPTION WHEN YOU SELL IT. how hard is that to put through your little head?

If you don't have the money in the first place, it doesn't do you much good does it. The $6,100 has to come from somewhere, put that in your little head.

 

[skidooer1]

its an invesment, when you sell it you get it back.and even if you financed the option, the intrest is still worth it.

heres what i save in the summer owning a diesel.

biofuel @ 70 cents per gallon(made by myself) x 10,000 miles or so i will drive over summer and fall @ 15 mpg is about 450 dollars for fuel

gas truck @ 13 mpg paying 3.50 a gallon @ 10000 miles is over 2500 dollars for fuel.

btw if anyone has any questions on how to make fuel for that price or less pm me, i would be glad to hook you up with some info. matt

 

[racingpit]

Thats why i bought a 7.3 2 wheel drive 20+mpg I could have bought or leased a brand new 150 but they get 13 mpg at best so this truck made alot more sense! and I seriously just love the way this truck was built its got a pimpin interior. besides anyome ever saw anyone cut their fuel with used trans fluid??? that will bump the cost effectiveness!

That sounds interesting. My Dad did some work for a company that runs a fleet of trucks. From what my Dad was telling me, they take the old oil from the oil changes, and mix it in with the fuel (some special way). I don't know many details about it though.

 

[WC820]

thanks Jay I am super happy with the truck and it was less money and better milage and cheaper fuel wise due to the new emissions than a lease on D plan from ford on an 08 F-150 super crew. so 4 dollar diesel at 20 to 22 mpg "Tested already" VS 13 MPG with 3.29 Gas! I opted for the for the bigger cooler nicer truck and I will own it.

 

[masneri]

Just one question though, why did you buy a 2 wheel drive? I always tow in 2 wheel drive on the highways and most back roads i can make it. Although there are plenty of times you need 4 wheel drive....

 

[Kong]

I think your mpg numbers are a little flawed. I drive a 5.3 gasser, my brother has a diesel. Both are '07 gmc's, similar driving style and I get better
milage.

I don't think you can compare a 5.3 gasser to a Duramax. Their capabilities and design aren't in the same universe.

 

[WC820]

Just one question though, why did you buy a 2 wheel drive? I always tow in 2 wheel drive on the highways and most back roads i can make it. Although there are plenty of times you need 4 wheel drive....

I live in Iowa "Flatlander!" secondly milage why drag it ia ya dont need it? its just logic to me is i have never had it and it saves alot of money initally and over time why wouldnt I ???

 

[J-Roc]

I guess it's what the market dictates, eh? Around here, you would NEVER see a truck like that, and if you did, it would likely NEVER, sell. Then again, there is that one guy like yourself that is a two wheel drive guy. People complain about me buying standards all the time as well, but there's always one guy that's a die hard. VERY clean rig, sir! Congrats!

 

[rocketron]

Nice truck. I put a DP Tuner chip (changed from hypertech), 4" exhaust and cold air intake on my '01 and gained a couple mpgs (when I can keep my foot out of it).

 

[WC820]

Well pulled the chrome pinstripe (faded) had it restriped ditched the steele wheels for ford racing 18" wheels with Michelin LTX's smoke bug sheild (ditched the chrome one) window tint done and snagged the six disc from an Expodition that we auctioned. put the edge evolution in it I am not sure about that thing yet. She looks nice all shined up!

 

[robrstopr]

Better get driving and break her in...lol Cummins gets the best fuel mileage of'em all. My 02 took 38k to break in, went from 12 mpg to 21 over night. My 07, started at 15 mpg now with 28k its pulling 23. This is the first site I've heard Ford peeps claim 20+. Ford is usually 15 tops.

 

[bonz50]

YOU GET THE MONEY BACK FOR THE OPTION WHEN YOU SELL IT.

you only get part of it back and these days diesel resale isn't all that great... at over $4 per gallon diesels are really taking a bath on resale in most areas...

 

[RMK7SledHead]

Better get driving and break her in...lol Cummins gets the best fuel mileage of'em all. My 02 took 38k to break in, went from 12 mpg to 21 over night. My 07, started at 15 mpg now with 28k its pulling 23. This is the first site I've heard Ford peeps claim 20+. Ford is usually 15 tops.

is your '07 a 6.7 or a 5.9?

 

[WC820]

is your '07 a 6.7 or a 5.9?

thats what i was wondering because I herd the new motors suck too on dodges its the DPF thats the problem but lose ur warranty and get fined if you remove it Guess I better be good to the old girl.

 

[R J]

Congrats! Now bend over and spread 'em

My thoughts exactly. I miss the engine, but I sure don't miss the oil changes, the fuel costs, the ho hum mileage even though everyone always says they are getting more then they actually are etc. etc. etc.

I hope it turns around some day, I would like to have it back but not at current day economics.

The diesel market in pickups has to be showing a downturn right now, doesn't it? Also I'd bet this delays any of the OEM's from bringing out thirsty 1/2 ton diesels anytime soon.