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Hoyt Peak avy - 1 buried...anybody have details?
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snengineer
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SledsWest
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Heres a clip from channel 4 with a more in depth story:
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=3329120&navCatId=20021
More info posted in another thread:
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3014612&postcount=7
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=3329120&navCatId=20021
More info posted in another thread:
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3014612&postcount=7
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bradb1us
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That guy should absolutely be dead. What a miracle.
Lucky
What were they thinking? Notiice the old slide on the right?
What were they thinking? Notiice the old slide on the right?
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Here's the info. I have... 24 year old guy, son of one of the guys at Weller's. They knew better, just forgot to use the most important component of their avy safety gear...their brains. I know he had all the other gear too, but did not use it. I heard they started digging where they saw him go down and hit his helmet about 4 1/2 feet down. 25 min. under the snow is a long time for a survival to come out of it. This is all second hand information, and I realize the real guys on the scene will have much better details.
Lucky....thankfully!
BE SMART! Make sure you have all the gear, but most importantly USE YOUR BRAIN!!!
Lucky....thankfully!
BE SMART! Make sure you have all the gear, but most importantly USE YOUR BRAIN!!!
I'm sorry but some people are just stupid. They said "he knew the avalanche danger was high" he still attempted to highmark. No beacon. Knowing the danger is high + no beacon = Pure stupidity. He's very lucky. At least have the right gear if your heading into the backcountry whether the danger is low or high!
Chris
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"Usually wears a beacon, but decided not to this day"
"He knew the avalanche danger was high"
Talk about shear Sh*t luck he was found. Just digging and hit a helmet?
I have to say, I am losing sympathy for those that are in the backcountry totally unprepared. This is unsafe (obviously) and inconsiderate to everyone around them- physically in the BC and figuratively in their lives.
Let's continue to make the snowmobile community look like a bunch of knuckleheads. It only creates more resentment and that resentment can generate power politically to get sleds out of the places we want to go.
I hope the story is missing something and I am completely wrong. However, with all the stories this year of people being buried without avalanche gear/training or videos of people riding in terrain traps or ignoring wind loaded slopes- I feel I am on point.
I stopped myself the other day as I was riding in a powder filled, untouched, flat field with fun trees; just so I could watch some Douc*e ride an avy prone slope (with 3 slides right next to his line) in case it ripped so I could go help if this di*k got buried.
We all have lapses in judgement or take a certain amount of risk- Calculated risk! I love to push my limits. However, riding in the mountains without proper gear is not calculated, it is just plain lack of any intelligent thought. This ignorant, total disregard for safety needs to stop!
Pull your Sh*t together people. Get your head out of your As*!
I realize these folks are friends and family and I mean no disrespect. I do feel that these people being caught (I refer to the unprepared, egotistical, ignorant people) are themselves disrespecting their family and friends.
Please no one quote this as if people find it offensive, I will erase it out of respect.
"He knew the avalanche danger was high"
Talk about shear Sh*t luck he was found. Just digging and hit a helmet?
I have to say, I am losing sympathy for those that are in the backcountry totally unprepared. This is unsafe (obviously) and inconsiderate to everyone around them- physically in the BC and figuratively in their lives.
Let's continue to make the snowmobile community look like a bunch of knuckleheads. It only creates more resentment and that resentment can generate power politically to get sleds out of the places we want to go.
I hope the story is missing something and I am completely wrong. However, with all the stories this year of people being buried without avalanche gear/training or videos of people riding in terrain traps or ignoring wind loaded slopes- I feel I am on point.
I stopped myself the other day as I was riding in a powder filled, untouched, flat field with fun trees; just so I could watch some Douc*e ride an avy prone slope (with 3 slides right next to his line) in case it ripped so I could go help if this di*k got buried.
We all have lapses in judgement or take a certain amount of risk- Calculated risk! I love to push my limits. However, riding in the mountains without proper gear is not calculated, it is just plain lack of any intelligent thought. This ignorant, total disregard for safety needs to stop!
Pull your Sh*t together people. Get your head out of your As*!
I realize these folks are friends and family and I mean no disrespect. I do feel that these people being caught (I refer to the unprepared, egotistical, ignorant people) are themselves disrespecting their family and friends.
Please no one quote this as if people find it offensive, I will erase it out of respect.
Hi marking is so yesterday. lol
What is high marking?
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DRAPE
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Wow, the pics in this link bring a different perspective to the hill then the video. Simply insane.
High marking = small man syndrome, my opinion.
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FUAC
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More Hoyt Peak details here along with some important lessons learned.
Some good points:
Always wear your beacon. Going out alone, going out without enough snow to go high, whatever - always carry your beacon. At the very least, packing makes you look serious.
Practice with your gear. Know what it feels like to dig through debris and make sure your shovel will stand up to serious abuse. Make sure you can get your probe out and locked in in seconds without thinking about it and make sure the locking mechanism is bomber. For some reason some probe locks seem to get tweaked more easily than others and you need to make sure they are still working now and then.
Pros don't just do practice beacon searches, they bury packs and practice complete rescues. That is the only way you will pick up details like not setting your gloves down, learning to dig upslope towards your partner, the length of safety cord that you need for your beacon, remembering to probe in a spiral, what a probe strike feels like, sorting out the confusion of searching for multiple beacons, etc. Doing a fast, effective search is hard and figuring that stuff out while your buddy's brain cells are going dark is a really poor way to learn.
The hardest part this year seems to be the inconsistent snow weakness we are seeing. Every single steep slope we look at is a game of Russian Roulette - you might get away safe and you might not. Are you willing to take that chance?
Talk about this with your partners and pass this video around. You are the best way to spread this awareness and if each of you shares this with a half dozen others today we can save some lives this spring.
Some good points:
Always wear your beacon. Going out alone, going out without enough snow to go high, whatever - always carry your beacon. At the very least, packing makes you look serious.
Practice with your gear. Know what it feels like to dig through debris and make sure your shovel will stand up to serious abuse. Make sure you can get your probe out and locked in in seconds without thinking about it and make sure the locking mechanism is bomber. For some reason some probe locks seem to get tweaked more easily than others and you need to make sure they are still working now and then.
Pros don't just do practice beacon searches, they bury packs and practice complete rescues. That is the only way you will pick up details like not setting your gloves down, learning to dig upslope towards your partner, the length of safety cord that you need for your beacon, remembering to probe in a spiral, what a probe strike feels like, sorting out the confusion of searching for multiple beacons, etc. Doing a fast, effective search is hard and figuring that stuff out while your buddy's brain cells are going dark is a really poor way to learn.
The hardest part this year seems to be the inconsistent snow weakness we are seeing. Every single steep slope we look at is a game of Russian Roulette - you might get away safe and you might not. Are you willing to take that chance?
Talk about this with your partners and pass this video around. You are the best way to spread this awareness and if each of you shares this with a half dozen others today we can save some lives this spring.
I just got done watching this video. A must watch for every snowmobiler. I think one of the areas sledders and skiers fall short on is practicing with their gear and knowing how to use it properly. In this video the rider with the helmet cam gets out his beacon and starts his search at the snowmobile. Although the victim didn't have a beacon on, you should always start your search at the last point seen and work down from there until you find a signal. Good gear is a must. Personally I won't pack a plastic shovel. I just don't have the confidence in them that I do with metal shovels. Anyways a lot of good info in the video that we can all apply in our lives. Best bet is when the danger is high, don't climb.
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SledsWest
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I've seen posts about turning off cell phones, SPOTs, and gopros when doing beacon searches. However, what about when the person that is buried is the one with a gopro on and has his cell phone or SPOT in his coat pocket? I've seen a couple of vids this season of guys with helmet cams on as they got buried, is that going to interfere with the searchers' beacons?
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