If you look at the national debt chart in the 8 years clinton was President the nation debt barley rose mabey 200 billion dollars ( just a guess but somewhere in that area) the 8 years after he left office the national debt raised close to 8 trillion dollars while bush was in office 6 trillion of it when the senate was republican. now i am a junior in high school and dont worry about bills but i still can see even with my simple mind that bush ran our country into the ground and o yeah how much for that ocean front property in montana sounds like a good buy.
Hey obama...try and take guns away from these guys!
- Thread starter ragincajun
- Start date
awesome vid...
K
Kevco
Well-known member
Exactly what I was thinking!I wonder how much $$ they went through in Ammo in the vid!!???
J
JHG
Well-known member
I was going to put you in for the "idiot of the month" award after this post....
But after this one I guess I have to nominate your parents
I don't recall any innocent Americans getting murdered during the last 8 yrs like they did during the Clinton years. Did they teach you about Ruby Ridge and Waco in your school???
big flip you do not even pay taxes.........your head is in the sand.........you should be readingand working on homework
You my friend have a very, very hard life ahead of you if this is how you think.............
What do you think caused the first Trillion of that????? Maybe al qaeda blowing up three of our buildings? What the heck do they teach you kids in schools these days? What exactly would Al Gore have done any different, or Kerry? You need to hang out with some people that don't lick Obama's Hinney.
So, how much oil did Bush get out of Iraq? How many people now have a chance to be free from a dictator that murdered his people? (BTW, I don't think we should have gone to Iraq, but only because there were people in Afghanistan we need to be killing.) Bush didn't start the war, he just finished it. What did Clinton do to protect the country???? Try to see things from both sides, and don't just repeat what your teachers told you to think.
Where was that film taken. Kinda looks like Bullet County Kentucky, no there really is a machine gun shoot there every year. Just south of Louisville Ky.
w
big hoe i was joking when i was talking about the oceanfront property in montana i live there i think i would no that the nearest ocean is over 1000 miles away you just couldnt sense the sarcassm haha and secondly yes i do pay taxes and i know taxes are needed the income tax idea put forth by Mckinly was one of the greatest ideas in history is what gives our country money and for all those out there who hate taxes news for you we need them we cant function with out them on who should we tax more the rich who can afford it or the poor who cant you dicide. and i agree that we should have gone after al quada but al quada is not in Iraq it is in Saudi Arabia and the mountains betweet afgahnastan and pakastahn. this whole Iraq thing was a big mistake ounce we found out that didint have WMD's we should have left. and now a bunch of you are gunna say well what were we gunna do with sadaam hussain just leave him in charge. well yes sadaam was a tyrrant but even the Iraqi people say that under sadaam they had better lives less freedom but more cival services like electricity for example and if you dont beleive me then just watch 60 minites then you will find all that i am telling you is true. there are many things that democrates do that i think is dumb, like gun controll and all that PETA **** but i think all that is less important than the world collapsing around us and i am not sayin that it is all George bush's fault but it just so happend to go down hill when he got in so you Conservitives even have to admit he did a pretty poor job at alot of things.
big hoe i was joking when i was talking about the oceanfront property in montana i live there i think i would no that the nearest ocean is over 1000 miles away you just couldnt sense the sarcassm haha and secondly yes i do pay taxes and i know taxes are needed the income tax idea put forth by Mckinly was one of the greatest ideas in history is what gives our country money and for all those out there who hate taxes news for you we need them we cant function with out them on who should we tax more the rich who can afford it or the poor who cant you dicide. and i agree that we should have gone after al quada but al quada is not in Iraq it is in Saudi Arabia and the mountains betweet afgahnastan and pakastahn. this whole Iraq thing was a big mistake ounce we found out that didint have WMD's we should have left. and now a bunch of you are gunna say well what were we gunna do with sadaam hussain just leave him in charge. well yes sadaam was a tyrrant but even the Iraqi people say that under sadaam they had better lives less freedom but more cival services like electricity for example and if you dont beleive me then just watch 60 minites then you will find all that i am telling you is true. there are many things that democrates do that i think is dumb, like gun controll and all that PETA **** but i think all that is less important than the world collapsing around us and i am not sayin that it is all George bush's fault but it just so happend to go down hill when he got in so you Conservitives even have to admit he did a pretty poor job at alot of things.
Yada, yada, yada. Where is the answers to my question?
Put a paragraph break in there every once and a while.
Do you remember the Killian document farse? It's the attack perpetuated by Dan Rather and 60 Minutes, against Bush, that ended up costing Dan his job. So, I don't think their the best single point source of "truth" when it comes to anything Bush.
Yes, Bush has done a lot of things I don't agree with. But, this mess started after the legislative was taken over by the Dems, and the Presidential run ups started. Basically, there's plenty of blame for everyone.
And, could you tell me why middle class families need a break from taxes anymore, than they have for the pass 100 years? Everyone needs tax relief. Life's tough, and it's not fair. Next time you talk to one of these middle class families that need a tax break, stop and try to figure out why they don't strive to do better. Personal responsibility is a big part of being a provider. If they truly are trapped by circumstances, then I can have compassion for them, but if their like most people, they made some bad decisions in life, and don't take advantage of opportunities available to them.
By the way, when you become "RICH", you won't think you can afford to pay your UNFAIR share of taxes, and keep all of your employees.
My answer to your question seldhead is, it wasnt a bill that he passed that led us to this deficit, it was the fact that we are spending 10 Billion a month in iraq that is what alot of the deficite is from. and when you give all those tax breaks to the rich and they still raise their prices ( oil companys) then you have to relize that maybe these tax breaks for the rich arent helping anything maybe we she lower taxes on the middle class and maybe we should tax the rich more heavily on their profits so they lower prices because lower profit = lower taxes the rich know that. and all bush and cheny's buddys in the oil bizz kept these tax breaks alive. and i think it is as much chenys fault as bushes cuz he is a very controlling man. now does that answer you question?
J
JHG
Well-known member
BigFlip, I don't know why I care, but I'm going to try to break this down for you.
My previous comments about the "idiot of the month award" had nothing to do with the ocean front property in Montana. It was a reference to the content of your uneducated post.
Next, let's talk income taxes...You say you want to tax the rich because "they can afford it." Let's say I'm Joe millionaire, I own a construction company that builds highways. My business brings in $10 million dollars a year. The government has two options regarding my taxation. They can lower my income tax 5% or raise it 5%. If you lower it, I keep an extra $500,000 and in turn expand my company with the money I save and hire 16 new employees that I pay about $31,000/year. Or they can raise my taxes and I will cut 16 jobs, because no matter what, my bottom line needs to remain constant. So go ahead and tax me if you think its a good idea because ultimately, me the millionaire, will retain my wealth even if it means you the dump truck driver lose your job. People say the millionaire have so much money that they can stick it in the bank and live off the interest. That is true and if you raise taxes that is what will happen. If that happens, they are not investing in businesses that employee you and in turn, you have no job. Although this isn't probably a big deal for you living with mom and dad, I bet it would be a big deal if your parents lost their jobs.
Now let's talk war. You say that Iraq and Afghanistan are not related. I'm about to give you some incite from someone that has been to both places several times. The excuse of WMD was a mistake. We should have never used that excuse for going in Iraq. When I was in Afghanistan BEFORE the war in Iraq broke out I worked on a team searching buildings and blowing up old weapons and ordinance. While I was working near the border we stopped a truck entering Afghanistan. This truck contained kits used to make bombs. They had the blasting cap wired to a cell phone, all the det cord needed and detailed instructions (i.e. plug wire A in to hole B) on how to assemble an improvised explosive. The kit had everything you need except the ordinance. The phone was even a prepaid phone with the phone number taped to it. They were supposed to set up the bomb and go to an observation point and wait for us to come along. When we got close, they called the phone, the voltage being sent to the speaker for the ringer was diverted to the blasting cap, which exploded the bomb. Now, when the Office on Special Investigations and the FBI researched the origin of the kits, can you guess where they came form???? I think you probably guessed it, a terrorist cell within Iraq. Now this is only one example of the link between the two, I'm sure there are many more but I have personal experience with this one. Don't just regurgitate what you hear on CNN, they don't always know whats going on, and when they do they often don't report it accurately.
If you are basing what you believe is fact and fiction from what you hear on 60 minutes you have a lot to learn. They report some useful information but you should probably research the unbiased facts for yourself before you run around proving to the world you are just a sheep.
My god man, read the random button presses you typed in before hitting the "Submit Reply" button. Your English reflects upon your projected intelligence.
How is taxing me more, gonna get back at the oil company? I got nothing to do with them. Or, in your CNN world, do all rich people work for the oil company? Lower profits do not always equal lower taxes. Lower profits over greater quantity can result in more taxes. Ever hear of bulk? Take a class in economics. And when you start making serious dough some day, remember that a guy called Wade told you you'd be voting Republican. Because, you'll be tired of seeing all the sheep stealing your money. Trust me, some day you'll get mad at someone; for reminding you that you once thought democrats were the shiz.
Last edited:
“No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction, be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people.”-WILLIAM RAWLE (U.S. Attorney for Pennsylvania, appointed by President Washington)
The old guys knew what they were doing....its "We the people" NOT "We the Government"
The old guys knew what they were doing....its "We the people" NOT "We the Government"
