*HELP* TELL ME how well 4 stroke yamis boondock?

[sledfvr]

You've gotta ride 4strokes like you're trying to tear the bars off of them...If you do this then you can take them in tighter trees than most 2smokers. You have to "own" them or they will "own" you. If you have this attitude it will work out for you. If there's plenty of powder then they aren't any harder to throw around. Just my .02.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

You've gotta ride 4strokes like you're trying to tear the bars off of them...

no wonder i broke my bar mounts like 5 times this winter!!!

 

[Reeb]

What a loaded question....

These guys are right, if you are a good rider, and feel like you really push the limits of not only your own sled, but every sled you jump on.....you're a candidate for a wicked sleddin' experience on a 4s turbo.

But with that said, I've seen fairly new sledders jump into 4s power and over 3-5000km(1 to 2 years worth) they can ride those things like nobodies business.

I also recall highmarking a slew of 800's(mostly red ones) with a new '06 Apex that was bone stock. Doesn't mean the Apex was a better sled. Meant my step-bro and I were better riders than those guys. I also got that same sled stuck on the same hill trying a energetic line that didn't go right. The stuck was simple, on a 2s I woulda pulled the skis downhill twice, fire it up, and pop out of the hole. Instead I spent 30-40 minutes digging, and yanking, and swearing, and digging some more. When I came back down the hill my group wondered if I couldn't get the sled started or something mechanical. The damn thing just would not move. Lesson learned.

I've seen poor Doo riders jump on blue machines and become poor blue riders.
And like-wise, seen(many) excellent 2s sledheads make 4s do things I don't even want to try!

 

[HANDSOME]

Anybody can ride a light sled and not everyone is man enough to ride a heavy sled.

 

[Rprecision]

Anybody can ride a light sled and not everyone is man enough to ride a heavy sled.

Im sure theres a fat chick joke in there somewhere.............

To the point, I prefer the lighter sleds. Yes it can be argued to the moon.

There is one FACT. The heavier the sled the more energy it takes to move it.

 

[suitcase]

This has been a ongoing topic for several yrs. now, and I will say one thing,
someone still needs to show me that a boosted four can hang with a 2 banger, in the tight trees on a steep side hill. Has not happened yet, I'm waiting. ( And by no means saying it can't be done or is not being done)
Stick with the boosted two stroke!!!
Just my observations

 

[MORSNO]

This has been a ongoing topic for several yrs. now, and I will say one thing,
someone still needs to show me that a boosted four can hang with a 2 banger, in the tight trees on a steep side hill. Has not happened yet, I'm waiting. ( And by no means saying it can't be done or is not being done)
Stick with the boosted two stroke!!!
Just my observations

And you won't feel completely exhausted from working your butt off all day trying to show that a boosted 4 can boondock. You see plenty of turbo 4 stroke guys going back to a 2 stroke so they can once again enjoy our sport.

 

[sledfvr]

If you have 6" of powder or more the fourstrokes throw around good. Still not quite as flickable as a two stroke, but close. Setup harder snow is not fun on a fourstroke and will wear me down. I had a both types of sleds for a while and sold the 2 stroke and haven't looked back, but I don't ride hard spring snow anymore either. 80% of my riding is in tight trees and I haven't had any two strokes out-ride me in the trees. If you have a skid that puts all the weight on the skis then you will have problems. Around here everyone is selling their two strokes and buying yammis. I'm sure its the opposite in other places. Ask yourself if you want a lighter sled with less power and requires more maintenance or a heavier sled that's a little more reliable and has more power with cheaper fuel. Either way it's gonna be a helluva lot of fun.

 

[TurboT]

Yamaha boosted sleds have been @ the Apex for quite some time now! If you have the skill to ride a boosted 4, you can man-handle a boosted 2. I've never seen a boosted 2 stroke go somewhere a boosted 4 can't! Comparing 2 to 4's is like comparing gas/diesel. Torque is the key and we all know the answer to this one!

 

[907to406]

This topic never seems to go away.

You can learn more about a guys riding skills reading these post then you can about what the topic is suppose to address. It's a pointless topic because your answer to the question is going to be directley related to how skilled of a rider you are.

The best boondock riding in tight trees I've ever seen done was done by Troy Johnson from LLC in Alpine Wy on a boosted Apex. Just so you know who I get to campare it to, and I'm not taking anything away from any of these guys because they all ride unbelievable, I only use their names to try to answer the original topic of this thread...Brett Rassmussen, Keith Curtis, Chris Brandt, just to name a few. I might also mention he seems no worse for ware at the end of the day then any 2 stroke riders in any groups I've been with him in regardless of the snow conditions.

Troy does kill it on that Apex of his but he's also a pretty tall guy and has been riding bikes and sleds for a lot of years (thus proving your statement about being able to ride a 4stroke depends on your riding ability). Also Troy can get away with riding a heavier sled due to all of the lightweight titanium parts in his body he's acquired over years of injuries.

I've always been a firm believer that its 70% rider and 30% sled and that whatever you're riding you will get use to it over time and be able to make it do the things you want to do. Especially with the way these new sleds are being built (very ridable). That being said I still wouldn't want a 4stroke...

 

[zebiraross]

You really just have to ride one and make a decision off YOUR experience not a bunch of other peoples opinions including mine. Everyone can make a legit argument either way. What matters is your opinion after riding one. I know in some cases thats not possible to ride one first,but if at all possible try to ride one and then make a decision.

 

[kodpkd]

Question???

My teacher said.... "There are no stupid questions" Well,,,,, this is a stupid question... I think a trap. Light is right... Weight sucks. Go ride, to have fun

 

[MrClean409]

Wait till ya get the yamaha stuck. Then you will know who your real friends are after a couple of seasons.

 

[Steelman]

Take your sled and duck-tape a 50lb bag of dog food to the hood, then duck-tape a 35lb bag of dog food to the tunnel.... That should get you pretty close on the weight difference, then imagine it with an extra 50-100hp to help speed it up.

I agree, weight is what will be the issue. Had a friend that had a Apex, it was awesome sled to ride. It only downfall was weight. Everything else was a 10.

 

[←snow∞motion→]

I agree, weight is what will be the issue. Had a friend that had a Apex, it was awesome sled to ride. It only downfall was weight. Everything else was a 10.

I LOVE my Apex (except in the spring) I can throw it around just fine. I'm a bigger guy so the weight really doesn't bother me that much.

In the past my complaints really were the rear end and track, and a little underpowered carrying my "big bones" in some situations.

Ditched the skid and track, and am putting the SC on when I get home, so I think it's gonna be a whole new animal finally.

 

[m8sandman]

in the trees hp is not king, a lightweight manueverable sled is. i think saying a yami in the trees is just as good as a 2 stroke is like saying on a point and shoot hill a tm8 is just as good as a boosted apex. have never seen any 2 stroke even come close to keeping up with a 350+ hp apex on a big steep hill. just like i've never seen any apex/nytro that was anywhere near a much lighter and more agile 2 stroke in the trees. spend a day in the trees on each, see which one leaves you smiling at the end of a long day and which one leaves you wore out. i know just a 30 pound weight difference to me is a great thing, let alone more. for my riding style, a very aggresive technical tree rider, a light, quick, responsive sled that takes little rider input to quickly change direction continuously is what i'm looking for...

 

[christopher]

Wait till ya get the yamaha stuck. Then you will know who your real friends are after a couple of seasons.

Said as a DIE HARD Yamaha Nytro rider who LOVES his sled...

This is the solution to getting your Nytro stuck!
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245042

Yes, you will get stuck.
Yes, the sled weighs more than other comparable sleds today.
Yes, your Yamaha will likely outlast all the others and survive more punishment and abuse because of that extra weight.

Once I added this to my sled, I NEVER had a stuck problem again!

 

[albertaguy]

never road one but spent two rides digging out a nytro, rider was new though but when those things get stuck they get stuck. Also 4 hours with 6 of us getting an apex out after going over a 10 foot waterfall when the rider couldn't get it turned back up hill to save his life after a failed side hill. Again probably the rider but they sure didn't impress me. Also these guys were total trail wreckers, they would putt putt through the trees then pick a line and tromp on it and leave an almost impassable trench between the trees. Again probably riders but we have newer riders on 2 strokes all the time that seem to do okay and have fun. I don't think guys ask these questions as much for an answer as they do to get a sampling of current opinions so there is mine. I might be on a four stroke some day but for the next couple years it will be my pro rmk.