*HELP* TELL ME how well 4 stroke yamis boondock?

[snopro176]

any of you guys out there boondockin and sidehillin with boosted apexs or nitros?? I REALLY want some 4 stroke boost in my life but i do a lot of boondocking,small cliff drops n such and am scared that those sleds wont really do it like the lighter mtn sleds. A pg m8 i think would prolly be exactly what im looking for but i really want to try this 4 stroke gig. lets here it

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

have fun.. they can if you want to... thats all ill say, but a PG 2 stroke is gonna be a LOT of fun. is the power or maintinance the same? no. but especially if you wanna get tight and nasty with them, it just doesnt work that well. i have seen a few fella's put turbo 4 strokes in wild places, but they can ride pretty much anything anywhere they want.

 

[roughrider99]

from my experience is that the a guy can ride the 4 strokes . i spend over half of my riding in tight nasty trees with my riding buddies all on 4 strokes. we ride trees thick enough that most ppl won;t touch it. from i what i see the guys that wanna boondock with 4 strokes put the time and effort into learning most quit trying before passing through the tough learning curve.

thats why you see most people switch or stay with 2 strokes, they want spend a season getting stuck more often. those that stick with them get used to them and suceed well. i been on 4 strokes since 03 i have no problem following a boosted 2 stroke into the trees or leading for that matter

 

[Coldfinger]

What kind of mileage do the 4 strokers get from a belt, boosted and stock?

Are the clutches more reliable and/or less maintenance?

 

[snopro176]

good info guys! i think in the trees n stuff ill be ok,i know i can adapt but it will just take some time. Do any of you guys jump or do any cornice drops with them??

 

[msled]

Maybe take a look at the 1100 Cat http://www.arcticcat.com/snow/sleds/modelviewer/M1100TURBOHCR

 

[94fordguy]

Take your sled and duck-tape a 50lb bag of dog food to the hood, then duck-tape a 35lb bag of dog food to the tunnel.... That should get you pretty close on the weight difference, then imagine it with an extra 50-100hp to help speed it up.

 

[snopro176]

HAHAHAHA!! thats not a bad idea lol ive been thinking and thinking and im almost considering just a newer 800 and riding the piss outa it,then maybe a pg kit someday unless i find a deal on one. the new 1100 is badass but just not in the budget.

 

[dejadoo]

I have rode with a couple turbo yamaha guys that are great boondockers, but they are also top level riders. You need to have the skill to go a little faster through the trees than the average guy and be in good physical condition because it will wear you out. They are both small guys which helps keep the total weight on the snow down but have the ability to manhandle the sled. They are both excellent dirtbike riders also.

 

[beard]

hey,

they drop fine, land much heavier, with boost u gota be building boost before u leave the lip or wants to nosedive, really fun sleds when deep. i've done up to a 75 foot drop on my nytro before no prob....just make sure u got the snow for it.

whatever u decide your gonna have fun!!

 

[av8er]

T apex steers like a freight train when u r going slow

turning one back up hill suxs, a Tm8 is the cats meow in comparison over 100 lbs lighter than t apex

 

[Climbmax]

turning one back up hill suxs, a Tm8 is the cats meow in comparison over 100 lbs lighter than t apex

But the TM8 has no torque....or ground speed

The 4 strokes buttonhook uphill just fine.....you may need to work on the skillz a tad

Safe sleddin'
RS

 

[justinkredible56]

from my experience is that the a guy can ride the 4 strokes . i spend over half of my riding in tight nasty trees with my riding buddies all on 4 strokes. we ride trees thick enough that most ppl won;t touch it. from i what i see the guys that wanna boondock with 4 strokes put the time and effort into learning most quit trying before passing through the tough learning curve.

thats why you see most people switch or stay with 2 strokes, they want spend a season getting stuck more often. those that stick with them get used to them and suceed well. i been on 4 strokes since 03 i have no problem following a boosted 2 stroke into the trees or leading for that matter

That right there is my EXACT thoughts on the matter....there is a learning curve, you HAVE to LEARN how to ride one first in order to utilize all of the torque these things can put to the snow! Great post...just make sure your in shape or else you'll be heading home early...I work out twice a day during the off season specifically for snowmobiling believe it or not

 

[TNytro162]

Here maybe this will change your mind about Nytro 4 strokers and what they can do when set up with the right parts. Yami all the way baby!!

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2747134

 

[907to406]

Pretty sure sledneck rider Rob Alford is on a nytro these days and he's sending it just as big as ever with it. His isn't exactly stock though...

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

yeah, pretty sure his is a full chromoly frame from forteyonethirtey...

they are a lot of fun to ride, but one of the things i noticed is that due to the larger rotating mass, is the gyro affect, once i get that thing spooled and ripping it resists change in direction much more then smaller motors!! i know people notice it just from 600's to 8's and up to the 1L sleds. Dont get me wrong i have been ripping a yami powered sled the last 2 years and get it around i feel like better then a lot of folks do on the 4 bangers.. i let a friend ride it who is an awsome rider and makes anything look fast and you can tell its a handcap.

 

[winter brew]

I had a Apex, M7, Dragon, Rev, XP....lots of different sleds over the years and spend most time in the trees. If the snow is fairly deep/fluffy the Apex is as easy to ride and throw around as anything and generally "feels" alot lighter than it really is, especially boosted.....it does take some getting used to and more effort for quick maneuvers, no way to get around the physics of it. The problems for me arise when the snow begins to set up....trying to alter the course, especially if you are going downhill was MUCH harder and exhausting after a days ride. I suppose for a bigger guy in good shape, this would be less of an issue. For me the "fun factor" just wasn't there enough of the time to justify the weight.

 

[HandFullThrottle]

This topic never seems to go away.

You can learn more about a guys riding skills reading these post then you can about what the topic is suppose to address. It's a pointless topic because your answer to the question is going to be directley related to how skilled of a rider you are.

The best boondock riding in tight trees I've ever seen done was done by Troy Johnson from LLC in Alpine Wy on a boosted Apex. Just so you know who I get to campare it to, and I'm not taking anything away from any of these guys because they all ride unbelievable, I only use their names to try to answer the original topic of this thread...Brett Rassmussen, Keith Curtis, Chris Brandt, just to name a few. I might also mention he seems no worse for ware at the end of the day then any 2 stroke riders in any groups I've been with him in regardless of the snow conditions.

 

[backcountryislife]

This topic never seems to go away.

You can learn more about a guys riding skills reading these post then you can about what the topic is suppose to address. It's a pointless topic because your answer to the question is going to be directley related to how skilled of a rider you are.

To an extent though, that answers the question. NEEDING to be a more skilled rider to get the full capability of the machine is something some of us are all for, and some have no interest in.

I ride a turbo shorty in the mountains... it's a handicap for sure, but after a learning curve I'd never go back. I'd guess it's the same for a 4 stroke, it's just a different compromise. Considering everyone I ride with that went to a 4 stroke ended up coming back to an M8 or a PRO... it tells me that even after getting comfortable, there's a factor there that just is hard to get over in the long run.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

it tells me that even after getting comfortable, there's a factor there that just is hard to get over in the long run.

BINGO!

I LOVE my sled. i put a lot of miles on it this winter from november to may. the thing was so much fun to ride and the power is insane and the motors reliability and consistancy is unmatched in a yami 4 banger. That is one of the biggest things you could compromise for, constant reliable large(turbo) power all day everyday. Now to the other edge of the sword.

When the snow was deep i was loving my life and working it like there was no tommorow. the middle of winter hit, and then we started seeing some harder less fluffy days and the sled became a little more of a handfull.. come harder spring snow. i was wishing i was on my old rev..

get a light sled, put it in your garage and try to get it up on one ski. now have your friend sit on the hood and try it again... nuff said.