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Health Care Spin from WH - the truth from doctors

Our company premiums increased by 30% this year...

So have ours But does anyone really think the goverment can /will do any better ? all logic,eveidence,prior precident etc,etc. screams otherwise! I am the first to agree something needs to be done But the Gov. cant help or it will just get worse and be harder to fix later like everything else those idiots do.

I do believe the Japanese have the best NAtional helthcare in the world (Statistically anyway ) They have the best overall health ,gratest life expectancy and all with only 8% of their G.D.P . Not 35% or whatever rediculous number they are using which would almost certainly be higher than they expect !
 
maybe when it hits $2000 a month with 35 pages of noncoverage stuff,people will start thinking that ok healthcare is better than no healthcare.:)
 
I just thought of something. I'm listening to this doctor at one of the hospitals I work for have a discussion with the nursing staff about a patient and someone asked what gender the patient was. The doctor said "he's male...at least he was last week." (laughter follows)

Even the doctors get confused. There was yet another sex-change case last week and I wasn't sure if the patient was originally a female or currently a female. Years ago a doctor started calling the patient an "it" because it got upset if you called it a he or she, whichever the original sex was.

So that makes me wonder...with all the sex change operations/gender re-assignments, boob implants in males, breast reductions in females, hormone therapies, etc., how's that gonna fit in with nationalized health care? Do we get to pay for that (along with abortions) because of mental distress and privacy clauses?
 
I would not base all hospital experiences based on the Mayo clinic... Your right the Mayo is very very good.. but I don't think it is very representative of ALL hospitals.

I know I've been to better....and to worse. Just saying we do have access to the best in the world and it doesn't always matter if you are filthy rich or not.
 
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I hate to think of one of my kids having to flip the bill or go through a government system to get the issue's taken care of that we had to go through with my son these last 10 years or so. We have Dakotacare and didn't have a lick of trouble getting anything taken care of out of either of his surgeries and many years of traveling back and forth, 6 hour drive and I'd drive there if I had so much as a sore leg. My wife basically works for our insurance, I'm self employed so she gets a better deal than I can offer but it's still spendy and she just got a notice last week that it is going up 20% ($160/mo). Wont be long and she'll be paying to go to work, but from what I've heard so far..... I hope I can stay with non socialized health insurance.

I feel there is a bigger need for health care reform than there is socialized care.
 
This takeover of healthcare is not dead so if you don't want to see our healthcare destroyed you need to make yourself heard quickly and often. Swampy:eek:

The situation:
President Obama's stealth government takeover of our health care system is starting to lose momentum. Earlier this week Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) announced that the full Senate will not vote on a health care reform bill until September. In contrast, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) still predicts that the full House will vote on its health care reform bill before the August recess; however, in light of the financial concerns of the Blue Dog Democrats in the House, this prediction by Pelosi is not a certainty.

For further information read "Why Obama's Government Takeover of Health Care Is Bogging Down," an article with many embedded videos and numerous links to recent news articles.

The prospects for passage of Obama's health care overhaul:
Whereas passage appeared to be a slam-dunk certainty a couple months ago, now defeat of the health care reform legislation appears possible. The latest polls are showing a majority of Americans opposing Obama's health care proposal. The Rasmussen Reports "Presidential Approval Index," which has been declining slowly all year, crossed over into a negative rating early in July. The longer the wait for voting in the House and Senate, the more opportunity there will be for opponents of the overhaul to gather strength and potentially force defeat of the legislation.

The need for action is now:
The full House could vote as early as next week. The full Senate plans to vote in September. We need to ramp up the pressure on both the House and Senate to defeat any health care reform legislation which includes any provision for immediate or gradual transition to a single payer, completely government-funded and -operated health care system. This will be tricky because President Obama and congressional leaders will no doubt appear to compromise on almost any aspect of this reform legislation in order to get something on the books that can be transformed gradually into their goal of a completely government-run health care system. And, you can't be too trusting of the Republicans on this issue. They have proven themselves quite capable of building Big Government during the years when they constituted the majority.

What you can do:
Contact your representative and senators immediately in strong opposition to the present legislative proposals to increase the extent of government involvement in health care. Send emails. Make phone calls and personal visits to district and DC (when feasible) offices (Click here to identify your representative and senators along with their office locations and phone numbers). Activate others in your social networks to do likewise. If we're going to stop this government takeover, we'll have to do a lot more than just send an email.

This health care legislation is a very big deal. We must not allow the 17 percent of our economy represented by health care to become completely government-run. Freedom and prosperity for you and me and our children and grandchildren are most definitely at stake.

Let's rise up, reject this Big Government thinking for once and for all, and restore our freedom under the Constitution as it was bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers!

TAKE ACTION NOW to send an email to your representative and senators!
 
imo it will end up something like the credit card bs.cant raise prices without a 30 day notice or some crap.ob will get credit from a few,for doing nothing to help.and the prices will rise after you get your 30 day notice.
 
The MSM and WH keep saying the GOP is the party of no. The GOP has come up with solid plans for everything the WH is trying to cram through.

With health care "reform" (read overhaul and transformation) the GOP wants to deal with
1) frivolous lawsuits (tort reform)
2) the billions in Medicare and Medicaid fraud
3) allow people to get insurance out of state
4) allow small businesses to join together for better ins. plans (like co-ops)
5) reform HSA's (health savings accounts)


And, yeah, what X said. We do have the best. But there are problems that need to be worked out. It's maybe not run the best way.

Just out of curiosity, if there was REFORM like jsledder mentioned (not overhaul or socialized or single-payer), is there anything additionally to the five things above anyone thinks could improve the system without putting a burden on responsible taxpayers?
 
Just out of curiosity, if there was REFORM like jsledder mentioned (not overhaul or socialized or single-payer), is there anything additionally to the five things above anyone thinks could improve the system without putting a burden on responsible taxpayers?

drug prices...but then you get into crap like Atlas Shrugged. Drugs are expensive for a reason and I get it....but if you have a drug that is the wunder kid for a certain disease, why keep it "yours" for 10 years or whatever until a generic can be made?

Like I said I get that drug companies spend tons of money to develop drugs so they deserve the chance to make it back(and apparently then some, if you don't think so find a drug rep and check out their life) but then again if you get a wonder drug why not share it with the masses by releasing the formula for generic options...

flame on
 
X, I agree with you. I think there is definitely reform that needs to go on in the drug companies and also the way they deal with doctors.

On a different note:
From CNN and reported by Rush

"In promoting his health-care agenda, President Obama has repeatedly reassured Americans that they can keep their existing health plans -- and that the benefits and access they prize will be enhanced through reform. A close reading of the two main bills, one backed by Democrats in the House and the other issued by Sen. Edward Kennedy's Health committee, contradict the President's assurances. To be sure, it isn't easy to comb through their 2,000 pages of tortured legal language. But page by page, the bills reveal a web of restrictions, fines, and mandates that would radically change your health-care coverage."

Here's number one, the five freedoms that you would lose, according to CNNMoney.com. Number one: "Freedom to choose what's in your plan. The bills in both houses require that Americans purchase insurance through 'qualified' plans offered by health-care 'exchanges' that would be set up in each state. The rub is that the plans can't really compete based on what they offer. The reason: The federal government will impose a minimum list of benefits that each plan is required to offer. … Connecticut, for example, requires reimbursement for hair transplants, hearing aids, and in vitro fertilization." Many states require these "standard benefits packages" and they're a major cause for the rise in health care costs along with tort reform.

The number two freedom you would lose, they say, "Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs. As with the previous example, the Obama plan enshrines into federal law one of the worst features of state legislation: community rating. Eleven states, ranging from New York to Oregon, have some form of community rating. In its purest form, community rating requires that all patients pay the same rates for their level of coverage regardless of their age or medical condition. Americans with pre-existing conditions need subsidies under any plan, but community rating is a dubious way to bring fairness to health care. The reason is twofold: First, it forces young people, who typically have lower incomes than older workers, to pay far more than their actual cost, and gives older workers, who can afford to pay more, a big discount. … Second, the bills would ban insurers from charging differing premiums based on the health of their customers."
That's like having a good driving record getting you no break on your auto insurance premium. So all this talk about we're going to live healthier and we're going to mandate this and mandate that to lower costs, which, by the way, we've cut smoking in half and where are the savings? They don't exist.

The third freedom: "Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage." You're going to lose that. "The bills threaten to eliminate the one part of the market truly driven by consumers spending their own money. That's what makes a market, and health care needs more of it, not less." So if you want a high deductible coverage, you're not going to be able to do that. That would lower your premium, by the way.

Number four: "Freedom to keep your existing plan. This is the freedom that the President keeps emphasizing. Yet the bills appear to say otherwise. It's worth diving into the weeds -- the territory where most pundits and politicians don't seem to have ventured." You will lose your health care plan under his plan.

And five: "Freedom to choose your doctors. The Senate bill requires that Americans buying through the exchanges -- and as we've seen, that will soon be most Americans -- must get their care through something called 'medical home.' Medical home is similar to an HMO. You're assigned a primary care doctor, and the doctor controls your access to specialists." And the last couple sentences of this piece: "For now, we suffer with a flawed health-care system, but we still have our Five Freedoms. Call them the Five Endangered Freedoms." There's a lot more than just these five that we're going to lose, and now the Democrats, this is the AP: "'Democrats Alone Can't Deliver Obama Health Care' -- Democratic and GOP officials acknowledged Sunday that Obama's ambitious plan would not pass without the aid of a doubtful GOP, whose members are almost united against the White House effort."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072709/content/01125107.guest.html
 
A medical home is not an HMO... not at all, and controlling access to specialists? Not sure on that one.. looks like the normal scare tactics as usual. But then again, what else would you be posting? :p

Lots of large companies are already moving this direction as a means of cutting costs and increasing coverage / services.
 
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You know... I see a lot of cutting a pasting of articles here, and there doesn't seem to be much analysis or thought as to the validity of the articles.. Do you guys real soak all this stuff up that easily?

I am amazed at how quickly info is thrown out there as fact. Especially when it is just an editorial from some person about what he thinks and feels about something.

Pretty loose if you ask me, but then, you didn't.
 
everyone can relax......it'll be the quality of care comprable to a VA hospital, combined with the customer service of the Dept. of Motor Vehicles. It'll be GREAT!
 
You know... I see a lot of cutting a pasting of articles here, and there doesn't seem to be much analysis or thought as to the validity of the articles.. Do you guys real soak all this stuff up that easily?

I am amazed at how quickly info is thrown out there as fact. Especially when it is just an editorial from some person about what he thinks and feels about something.

Pretty loose if you ask me, but then, you didn't.

not nearly as loose as your boy obama! curious as to why you never post any questions regarding what he says or are you amazed(or should i say beguiled:p) at the info he throws out there as 'fact'?!:)
 
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