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Having Avalanche equipment does NOT reduce your responsiblity in the mtns....

Scott, there is one thing though. your brain. That is one piece of equipment that can help prevent this and it is the most valuable equipment you have.
I know the Fernie/Sparwood avy is a touchy subject, but some things have to be discussed about safe practice. (I am not saying that any of these were not practiced in this situation, but from what I read it appears like a couple of things might not have been.)

Here is a general description of safe practice in my mind not in any order. Feel free to add or comment on my list.
-read the avy reports daily before you head out (this is a general outlook. conditions do vary from one place to another)
-test the snowpack in the places you are going to ride
-assess terrain traps
-spot the imminent dangers
-if the group has to cross a sketchy spot, one at a time
-where to park while watching
-find an escape route before you need one
-make sure your sled is ready to go in the right direction in a split second's notice
-one at a time on any hill
-let the guy dig himself out ALONE on the hillside
-keep your backpack on your body when in any danger zone
-keep all avalanche equipment and radios on your person, not your sled
-learn how to use all this equipment PROPERLY and EFFICIENTLY!

IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE AVY REPORTS AND DIGGING A PIT

You will never keep people out of the backcountry, no matter what you tell them or how dangerous the conditions may be.
I myself am a good example. If the conditions are favorable for an avy, I may still go out, but I stick to simpler terrain.I know of some sweet spots that may seem boring to some, but they are safe.
The best defence tool for preventing (in the backcountry) tragedies is your brain. Experience is a great thing, but the self taught stuff is just not enough.
Is there a chance that I may be exposing myself to a high risk situation? YES.
Can I minimize the risk? YES
Can I avoid all risk? YES---only if you stay out of the mountains.

well put post Marcuso...and yes someone has to say it...thanks
 
There are some GREAT posts here...and one not so great.

Yes, the brain should be standard equipment.

Dogmeat...that's a GREAT quote. Good words to live by indeed. Thank you.

I'm in Rep 'timeout" or else you'd all get some green apples.
 
I think we all need to watch out for waht the others are doing. Not so much we need to police our own activity in the backwoods, as there is no way everyone will get the message. If people would just watch what other people are doing, I.E. if there are people sitting at the bottom of a slide area, stay off yourself till it is clear, a lot of these incidents would simply....never happen.
Sucks to see this happening, my thoughts and prayers go the the family and freinds of the dead. BE careful and go ready to help, but stay clear of dangerous areas as a group.
 
Also, if you see some one doing something bad, stop them! Like some one climbing up to help another one stuck on a nasty hill, climbing 2 at a time, climbing above some one stuck, going to fast on a trail, jumping the trail, or anything else that could endanger you, your family, that rider, or any one else.

You don't have to be a dik about it but you can politely ask them to be more careful. Inform them that you may be saving your life, theirs, and many others by simply telling them. Tell them they can go ahead and hill them selves, just don’t endanger other people.

That’s my greatest fear, to cause another person harm, its one thing if I get my self in a bad spot but I don’t need to endanger anyone else. I have stopped taking newbie’s into the mountains unless its spring time because its to much to worry about. I really don't want to have to call some one and tell them they'r son is dead because i wanted another run at it and he was in a bad spot.

Also, climbing above a stuck person should be punishable by being beat near death with a shovel.
 
all the training and cool gadgets can't trump sensibility, and common sense ......accidents happen ..thats why they are called accidents

now couple all that together and I believe that the percentatges will go down dramiticaly
 
H2....there is a philosophical way to look at "accidents". They are NOT an accident if they are preventable. I hear kids (and MANY adults) use the excuse all the time...."It was an accident!".

BULL SCHEITE!!!!!!!! My response is ALWAYS: "Accidents are not preventable...If you had taken a little more care and paid more attention...etc, etc".

If you get down to brass tacks....the term for that is negligence.
 
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H2....there is a philosophical way to look at "accidents". They are NOT an accident if they are preventable. I hear kids (and MANY adults) use the excuse all the time...."It was an accident!".

BULL SCHEITE!!!!!!!! My response is ALWAYS: "Accidents are not preventable...If you had taken a little more care and paid more attention...etc, etc".

If you get down to brass tacks....the term for that is negligence.

where can I get a pair of those "HindSight 20/20s" that you are lookin through .....got to get me some:face-icon-small-win:beer;
 
With all the tragic events of this season so far, I have no intention of climbing or sidehilling out in the mountains this year. Mike Duffy is right, even if you have the best gear out there & are trained to the hilt, It will & does happen in a moments notice. Due to your or another riders inability to do stop from doing something stupid.
 
i can't see it changing my riding habits!!!!!!! maybe look at the hills even closer, but........ we really don't do the crazy highmarking anyways, and the only way to eliminate %100 of the risk is to not go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not only that, but if we look at the % of sledders killed in avy's to the number of people out there, that number is pretty low(hopefully it would be 0). so if we are gonna change our habits because some people died doing a certain activity, then i guess no one is gonna ski, dive, drive, or even walk across a street! doesn't mean wecan't be more aware, and train ,and get all the proper equipment though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Scott- Great post. My wife and I where watching the news the other night about all the avys and she said "you need a pack go buy one" I just want to make sure I come home at night to see her and the little 6 month old we have
 
With all the tragic events of this season so far, I have no intention of climbing or sidehilling out in the mountains this year. Mike Duffy is right, even if you have the best gear out there & are trained to the hilt, It will & does happen in a moments notice. Due to your or another riders inability to do stop from doing something stupid.

You can't stay home just because there have been some tragedies, it's sad when it happens but it does happen. The best thing you can do is take an avy course and make yourself aware, then go out and still have fun but do it safely.

i can't see it changing my riding habits!!!!!!! maybe look at the hills even closer, but........ we really don't do the crazy highmarking anyways, and the only way to eliminate %100 of the risk is to not go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because you're not highmarking doesn't mean your not at risk... you just gotta ride smart.
 
WOW...they left one that was partially dug out? He told them not to leave him? Did I get that correctly? I can't imagine.

WATCH THAT VID---------------NOBODY should skip this vid!!!!!!!!!!!
They ran when they heard another slide coming, then went back to get him out... what a sad, sad deal :( These guys seemed avy aware but they didn't have their shovels, gloves, or anything with them, I'm assuming it must have gotten lost in one of the slides?
 
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